r/judo • u/undersiege1989 • Apr 18 '25

Technique What throw was this?

Hiiii senpais and Senseis. Rei.

May I please know the throw executed here? Thanks for the replies.

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u/Geschichtenerzaehler - GER Apr 18 '25

So many wrong guesses here.

It is Uchi Makikomi.

For reference, official Kodokan footage: https://youtu.be/y1DBRwZrXtg?si=UYdOkaFHbVKKWzyN&t=25

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u/undersiege1989 Apr 18 '25

Ey, this does look like the throw in the clip. Thank you for sharing this!!! 🔥

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u/d_rome Apr 18 '25

Good call. I guessed wrong.

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u/powerhearse Apr 20 '25

I think this is a classic example of why starting with a demonstrated technique and trying to classify it doesn't work well with Judo terminology. Which I think has been the core of my issue with Judo terminology and the "name for every technique" approach

I think that most martial arts terminology is useful when it involved classification driving the learning or performance of technique, not an observed technique being classified after the fact

The terminology is only relevant to the person performing the technique and the mechanic they learned to do so. It doesn't translate well to trying to classify based on observation

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u/small_pint_of_lazy Apr 18 '25

Yup, we have our winner!

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u/IntenseAggie ikkyu Apr 18 '25

Oh wow. That variation kinda looks like the advancing Tai Otoshi I’ve been working on. For me, instead of grabbing Ippon seoi grip, I would push into the arm or have eri sleeve/collar grip

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u/glaucusoflycia17 shodan Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25

Not seeing an inside attack no wrap around either. That's an outer leg attack that popped through calling osoto otoshi on this Edit: calling judo throws can be really subjective because it isn't just one person attacking and one static. The way the uke tries to turn out makes the throw funky

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u/powerhearse Apr 20 '25

There is no inside attack, this terminology just sucks

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u/glaucusoflycia17 shodan Apr 20 '25

Yeah I got you. Meant the angle and drive of the throw not the feet placement like foot in/uchi mata, I just phrased it poorly. You wrap and wind in rather than wrap and wind out like osoto makikomi.

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u/Various-Stretch2853 6d ago

there is actually. the uchi-makikomi is inner as opposed to the soto-makikomi, the outer one. in the uchi version, you go under the arm, so you are "inside" between ukes arm and body. with the soto version(s) (and all non-uchi ones like harai, hane etc.) you go above the ar, so you are "outside" of uke, not between bodyparts. just like with and uchi-gari you are between the legs and all soto-gari/gake you are outside of ukes legs while attacking.

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u/Josinvocs ikkyu Jul 09 '25

How could this be osoto otoshi if tori is facing in the same direction of uke? Lol

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u/glaucusoflycia17 shodan Jul 11 '25

The uke tried to turn to escape the throw but can't due to the grips. They were mirrored when he started the execution so does that mean the uke's reaction now determines the type of throw?

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u/daleaidenletian Apr 18 '25

Wow.. you are good.

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u/SenseiAndre nidan Apr 20 '25

I agree with you, it is an Uchi-makikomi. Here is a video of me performing this technique at the 2023 Brazil Trophy (the biggest adult event in the country): https://youtu.be/2rJ_SbRsKrY?si=znm-2p3Pkl_OPxIO at 01:50

However, if someone comments that it is a seoi-otoshi, even though there is a change of direction, or ippon-seoi-nage, even with leg action, these are possible ways to call this technique.

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u/powerhearse Apr 20 '25

Ugh another example of confusing terminology

I would classify it in a vacuum as an O Soto (clear outer reap) otoshi (clear drop) makikomi (clear far side wrap)

There is no "inner" involved in this technique at all. All other Uchi based techniques have a clear inner motion but this does not have any

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u/Josinvocs ikkyu Jul 09 '25

How would this be a makikomi if tori's grip is of a ippon seoi, and not a makikomi one.

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u/powerhearse Jul 09 '25

It doesn't matter whether tori's grip is under or over uke's arm, makikomi is more about the relative body position than the specific grip (is my understanding)