r/judo • u/kimjongunsdaughter • Apr 27 '25
Competing and Tournaments My first Judo competition
I have fought 5 rounds in total; 4 wins 1 loss. I have 7 months of wrestling background experience, with just a few sessions of BJJ. I just started doing Judo, and these are the fights I feel i performed not so good in. Any advice or tips from all the respectable judokas would be of great motivation! Thank you very much!
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u/fariskhan786 Apr 27 '25
Couple things I noticed. Seems you're trying more to wrestle than to do judo, it can be hard to transfer sports but to improve in judo it's better to try applying the techniques learned in class. Second try not to back away while grip fighting, engage and get your preferred grip. Otherwise great job!
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Thank you for your response! I'll try to learn more judo moves so I can transition better from wrestling.
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u/raizenkempo Apr 27 '25
Solid grappling you got there buddy.
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Thank you very much! However I do agree I need to up the judo and lessen the wrestling
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u/raizenkempo Apr 27 '25
BTW where is this? What country?
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
I'm a Korean, in Vietnam. These are all Vietnamese Judokas, in Saigon. There was me and a Russian, as the only 2 foreigners. This is a competition for getting new belts, for all the dojos in the cities districts.
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u/TheAngriestPoster Apr 27 '25
Was very impressed with your first throw. Polishing your techniques will come naturally for you as you progress. Don’t listen to people telling you that you “wrestle too much”, in my opinion hobbyist judoka don’t focus enough on physicality/athleticism and often have an inferiority complex about it. You being aggressive and scoring in your first match is a good thing, most people go out with a whimper whereas you won
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Thank you so much for your encouraging words! I will definitely try to mix the two and find my own Judo style!
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u/Fresh_Criticism6531 gokyu Apr 27 '25
I think he did excellent, but the first throw was illegal, there is a leg grab at 13s mark...
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u/TheAngriestPoster Apr 27 '25
Hard to tell but if he grabbed the skirt it would be totally legal and overall it was a good entry for a person new to Judo
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u/Excellent_Date9774 Apr 27 '25
Holy crap, you're the legendary white belt this morning
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Hahaha no sir~ I really respect all the Vietnamese Judokas and especially the ones I had matches with today, I learnt so much from the experience. I wish you a good judo journey too! If you're in Saigon we can also talk more!
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u/Excellent_Date9774 Apr 28 '25
You beat my friend with tani lol. My friends and I were really shocked when you hit uchi
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Apr 27 '25
Huh, is ass grab Te Guruma allowed now? I have to check the rules.
What is your regular stance? You shouldn't be leading left foot with righty grips, that will get you in trouble.
I get the vibe that you'd love Ko-Uchi Makikomi. That last throw was a very sloppy variant of it, but it can be done with an underhook. But the move itself could well suit your driving mentality, its very shot like.
If you can make this underhook style work, then keep at it. Don't listen to people telling you it can't be done. But I would temper your expectations with it- at a certain point, players will not make it so easy to close in like that. And I'm no ref nor am I too good with the rules, but you could get penalised jumping in with that bear hug, so be careful.
But I am very curious about what you actually do in randori otherwise. Or how higher grades deal with you.
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u/wowspare Apr 27 '25
Huh, is ass grab Te Guruma allowed now? I have to check the rules.
New rules say:
All jacket grips and gripping under the belt to the level of the top of the inner thigh are allowed.
Hooking the legs with the hand or arm, leg grabbing, gripping trousers and touching the leg from the top of inner thigh down is forbidden and will be penalised with Shido.
So you cannot do an actual, real te guruma like in the past, since a real te guruma involves hooking your hands under uke's groin. But you can do a pseudo- te guruma by gripping the gi jacket's skirt, or gripping the gi pants at uke's butt like OP did here. You just gotta be careful to make sure it's above the top of the inner thigh.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Apr 27 '25
Huh. I don’t have anything nice to say about this, but alright.
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
I will try and upload videos of my randori sessions later if I get to film them! I thank you for insights, they really help me reflect alot! I do agree, I'm not used to throwing with a gi, since they're also trying to break my grip, so I'm more accustomed to Shooting, like in wrestling. I will research more on Ko Uchi makikomi, I never knew the name! I'm more used to throwing with an underhook, as it's more practical in nogi situations. My stance is usually low, right foot forward. I tried the left foot forward to confuse the opponent hahah Respect to you sir!
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Apr 27 '25
No need for that. Its more about the sort of throws you actually aim for and what you might look like it a more stress free environment. Judging from your other video, you seem to wait on Tani Otoshi... which is not a good developmental habit.
Underhook is just a powerful position for throws, which all judokas can get the hang of quick- its not something you have to go out of your way to preserve and practice. I used to carry the baggage of doing Judo in a 'no-gi' way, but I dropped that real quick when I realised it was holding me back from actually throwing people.
And when I did do actual no-gi, it was not a super hard adjustment. A good judoka should be good at throwing from a number of grips, including no-gi. The body mechanics and fitting into throws is more important than grips, and you won't be able to practice the dynamics of pummelling or handfighting in gi judo.
You will confuse yourself with left foot forward to be honest, especially if you don't understand left vs right. Best to stick to one side.
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u/powerhearse Apr 28 '25
I dont think it was a ko uchi makikomi? He had two underhooks. Just a ko uchi
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Apr 28 '25
It wasn’t a Ko-Uchi makkikomi and if I had to be uncharitable I’d say he wasn’t even thinking of Ko-Uchi Gari.
But the way he did it makes me think he’d like Ko-Uchi Makikomi.
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u/CryoToastt Apr 27 '25
Solid grappling man. Like others are saying and like you already know, you’re obviously relying on your wrestling but you’ll get punished for that at some point anyway. I think it’s good for everyone for you to bring some wrestling in so that everyone can improve their judo.
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Thank you very much! I have read some people were saying I shouldn't wrestle in Judo, and some recommending me to mix the two so I can get more advantage, I think I will develope more strategies to mix all the grappling arts for my own style! I will definitely focus more on Judo however
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u/JazzlikeSavings yonkyu Apr 27 '25
I will say you have a great sense of how to end up on top.
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
I think wrestling and BJJ (nogi) helped me with that, but I'm still weak on Newaza since I'm used to the gi
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u/JazzlikeSavings yonkyu Apr 27 '25
One critique, at the 54 second mark, you had your hand under his chin then you stopped. Maybe the ref told you to. But that would of been a perfect time to do a clock choke and end the match
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u/Beherenow1988 Apr 27 '25
If you want to win, then just keep slamming your opponent every time they shoot. It's not elegant or judo like but it will get you enough partial points to win in addition to just taking all the air out of your opponent. However, as you progress when you try to slam your opponent you're gonna get counter slammed hard. Bear hugs lend themselves well to a Tomoe Nage and it hurts because they won't be able to support your fall and they're gonna be pissed you grabbed them like that because it's not judo.
If you want to be a better judo practitioner then there's a couple things I would suggest. Your stance is too low and you need to embrace that you will be grabbed in addition you need to grab them. Unlike wrestling in judo you welcome your opponent to get close because you understand your own balance and ability to maintain that balance. Use your opponents momentum instead of trying to force your own greater force. Then focus on counter throws to common throws and attempt then 3-4 different throws that you can hit them with on a rotation. You had a good entry for an easy Osoto gari around the 1 minute mark that would have instantly won you the match but it looks like your instinct was to raise the knee instead into their groin when all you had to do was grip their gi firm pull them to the left and then sweep the leg. When your opponents become better if you raise the knee like that they are going to sweep the leg and getting thrown with your weight forward on one leg can get you seriously hurt. The goal of judo is to maintain balance and then in a single movement pull or push your opponent to a weaker balance so you can utilize their momentum
Check out Tom Crone videos. Unfortunately he passed away last year but I can hear him in my head as I watched this saying you look more like rapid dogs than Judoka. Keep working.
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u/No_Cherry2477 Apr 29 '25
Did you get a shido or a wazari for the first throw where you grabbed his back upper thigh?
If you're changing over from wrestling, I'd recommend putting a lot of effort into learning Sasae Tsurikomiashi. One reason is because it's one of the most effective techniques against people in a wrestling stance. The other is that it teaches you to straighten out your posture to execute, so it helps to speed up the conversion.
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u/Brannigan33333 shodan Apr 29 '25
you did fine. try not to crouch over, upright posture youre not wrestling now!
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u/ChristinaBunny sandan Apr 27 '25
That was not a throw
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Yes, I'm not used to throwing with gi, since I have done wrestling for 7 months before, I'm more used to leg hooking and shooting. But I am trying to throw more often! There was another match where I did a successful Uchi Mata!
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u/Due_Objective_ Apr 27 '25
It's judo, so do judo. Every time you pretend it's wrestling, you're missing an opportunity to learn judo.
Pommeling underhooks is not judo. Leg grabs, not judo, body locks, not really judo.
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u/zermoullah Apr 27 '25
I am sorry but all these things are judo. Morote gari, ura nage are all judo
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u/Due_Objective_ Apr 27 '25
It's a sport, andthe ruleset changed.
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u/CroSSGunS sankyu Apr 27 '25
Ura nage is a throw all judoka should know and be able to apply
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u/Due_Objective_ Apr 27 '25
I never said otherwise. Ura nage does not require a leg grab, pommeling for underhooks or a body lock.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Apr 27 '25
The Mongolians I was training with just today would like to have a word with you.
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u/Judo_y_Milanesa Apr 27 '25
Who are you to say what's judo lmao.
Leg grabs, not judo
The very creator of judo included leg grabs. Are you saying that jigoro kano was not doing judo? 😂
body locks, not really judo
Dumb af
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
I did hear that early 2000s judo was brutal, comparable to wrestling even, leg grabs, reverse seoi nages, all the brutal bits
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u/Judo_y_Milanesa Apr 27 '25
comparable to wrestling even
It still is, but ppl care to much about technique and less about physicality when that's a core aspect of judo. I like wrestling because there are not "know it all" or "do this tiny minute thing and you will get 10x better" (once i trained with a japanese and the told me to grab the lapel with every finger except the pinky and that will make my uchi mata better, it didnt make any sense, nobody does it, dumb all around and have tons of examples like this) wrestling on the other hand focus on what works and is efficient, judo on any level below pro, doesn't.
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
I do agree with you as well, although Judo has its grace and elegance to it, coming from a Wrestling background, I think physicality is important, whatever works for someone just works for that person. I have seen many Olympic level Judo matches, they really combine both, physicality, and technique. I guess techniques should be focused while training but in matches all elements should be utilized. Especially self defense situations
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
You're right, I should change. Thank you for your feedback!
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u/Judo_y_Milanesa Apr 27 '25
Bro you killed it. Don't bother taking this guy advice, do your own. If you find a way to make things you learn in wrestling work, do them. Judo is not just uchi mata and ippon seoi nage. Luck!
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Thank you so much for your encouragement! I think I can transition from wrestling to Judo strategically, filtering somethings that enhances my judo!
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Apr 27 '25
Don't listen to that guy. Aspire to be a Judoka by all means, but if you have skills from elsewhere use them!
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
Thank you very much!!! I agree that I should use all the skills I have~
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u/GoochBlender sambo Apr 27 '25
You should give Sambo a try if you can OP. It mixes judo and wrestling and looks a lot like what you are doing here.
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u/kimjongunsdaughter Apr 27 '25
I am the white belt!