r/judo • u/Eastern-Swordfish776 • Jun 07 '25

Other What’s your unpopular opinion on judo

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u/Left-Newspaper-5590 Jun 07 '25

  1. Head diving throws (mostly uchimata) aren’t penalized as much as they should be. They are incredibly dangerous off of mats and completely unrealistic outside of a dojo.

  2. Throws that don’t finish with control of your opponent should never be given Ippon.

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u/gamerdad227 shodan Jun 07 '25

I said the same in another comment - 100% agree with this, especially 2. Looking at you, kouichi makikomi

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u/nervous-sasquatch Jun 07 '25

I can see throws that make you roll over and land on your back or put you in a position where someone takes your back, but what about roll through where you can roll up to your feet or knees?

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u/Uchimatty Jun 08 '25

Most people don’t have anywhere near the flexibility to land on their heads during forward throws, even when they try. There was a total of one player in all of judo history who did this a lot, and he had achieved the absolute peak of body mobility which even Inoue and Maruyama never reached.

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u/dazzleox Jun 07 '25

So for your #2, if you launched someone with great force and control with a standing ippon seoi nage and they crashed on the mat hard, that shouldn't be ippon because you didn't land on them? I'd disagree if that's what you mean.

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u/Left-Newspaper-5590 Jun 07 '25

You don’t have to land on them, but with seoi nage, for example, some of the dropping variations get ippons by rolling with uke , quickly exposing their back to the mat, then rolling off. There is no control of your opponent after the throw (most competitors even let go or roll onto their own back). I get that it should be a score, but not ippon. You shouldn’t be rewarded for ending in a compromised position.

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u/dazzleox Jun 07 '25

Ok that's a different point than how you worded it before. I think there are good arguments to remaining standing (sombo rewards that) and good arguments to maintain control all the way to the ground (folkstyle rewards that.)

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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jun 08 '25

We can't win with the head dive lol.

We were literally mocked for allowing it, so we actually penalised it hard and it resulted in bullshit controversy... and also mockery anyway from the 'real martial arts' community.

I have thrown and landed right on people before and I always kinda freak out because I could have just crushed someone's ribs. I think its kinda unhealthy to encourage pancaking because the training will reflect that.