r/judo Jun 07 '25

Other What’s your unpopular opinion on judo

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u/bjprev Jun 07 '25

Not allowing arm bars until brown/black is stupid.

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u/Apart_Studio_7504 ikkyu Jun 07 '25

Where does this?

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u/Exventurous Yonkyu Jun 07 '25

The Adult Novice division (anything below brown belt) at the competition I just went to don't allow armbars or chokes. This is in the US. 

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u/Apart_Studio_7504 ikkyu Jun 07 '25

That explains a lot of opinions of US Judo/BJJ players.

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u/_Throh_ sankyu Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

Also not allowing chokes until brown/black

Edit: dont get the downvotes, I literally got DQ for it a few months ago lol

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u/Hemmmos Jun 07 '25

what? Where I trained they were allowed since yellow

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u/ejecuepefi Jun 07 '25

They taught me chokes like a week after I started

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u/Hemmmos Jun 07 '25

I mean we were strangling (or attempting to) each other in randori at white belt and we were damned kids. Yellow only applied to competitions.

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u/_Throh_ sankyu Jun 07 '25

Allowing it in your dojo is not the same as in competition. Got DQ for it a couple months ago.

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u/Hemmmos Jun 07 '25

I mean competition. You got a yellow - you could choke. Althrough armbars were from green up.

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u/_Throh_ sankyu Jun 07 '25

Are you in the USA? If yes then I dont know why we change rules from state to state, what is even the point of USA Judo?

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u/Hemmmos Jun 07 '25

nah, not US. But from what I heard in us beginner rules vary from tournament to tournament

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

What.... Wait what?!??!

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u/_Throh_ sankyu Jun 07 '25

I know dude

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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jun 08 '25

It greatly depends on region. We're fine to do them here in Australia, aside from specific novice contests designed to ease new people in.

Otherwise your given community tournament allows it.

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u/criticalsomago Jun 07 '25

It makes sense. Why teach kids arm-bars and chokes?

Tachi-waza is soo much more difficult and critical to learn at an early age.

Holding of on advanced newaza makes for better judokas in the end.

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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jun 08 '25

I think because its being taken as a universal experience. Where I am in Australia, submissions are allowed.

I am on footage getting armbarred lol.

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u/kitchenjudoka nidan Jun 07 '25

What are you talking about. Chokes are taught & applied at early Kyu ranks.

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u/_Throh_ sankyu Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

I got DQ for choking out a dude in the green belt and below division just a couple months back. That was the only match the guy won in a division of 5 people.

Never said that it wasn't taught.

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u/kitchenjudoka nidan Jun 07 '25

It sounds like a developmental tournament or your bro was in a kids division. Those are two formats that restrict techniques. My region allows for white belt adults to apply chokes.

Some regions restrict technique in competition due local sports regulations or incidents from past injury reports (see drop knee seoi nage for minors) Judo yudanshinkai have local regulations due to insurance coverage.

The area I’m in doesn’t allow chokes on minors due medical reasons based on research and national guidelines. And minors aren’t allowed armbars. however our coaching team does train & drill those techniques in a dojo environment to develop our young judoka to be prepared when they’ll be ready to use them.

Again, the full spectrum of judo just isn’t competitive rules. Get a copy of the Kodokan Handbook and see.

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u/_Throh_ sankyu Jun 07 '25

Neither me or the comment I replied to were refering to dojos, it is mostly US competition. I havent been to a dojo that prohibits armbars or chokes at all.

And no it wasnt the kids division lol developmental clearly since it was green and below.

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u/Sherbert_Hoovered Jun 07 '25

In competition this is because you might have green belts and white belts in the same division and I don't want to be doing competitive armbars with a white belt.

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u/bjprev Jun 07 '25

White belts can arm bar in BJJ. So can kids. Never an issue.

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u/ReddJudicata shodan Jun 07 '25

Bjj generally doesn’t apply armbars as … enthusiastically as Judo.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

Uhhhhhh... Sure.

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u/ReddJudicata shodan Jun 07 '25

I’m actually serious. BJJ players are trained to “respect the tap”. Judo players are trained that the match is not over until the ref calls ippon. And you don’t have time to screw around in ne waza. Your goal should be to put uke out or break his arm.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

Okay thanks for that additional context!

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u/powerhearse Jun 07 '25

Judoka are trained to respect the tap in training just like BJJ guys are. 99% of your time armbarring people in Judo is spent respecting the tap.

In BJJ competition you are waiting for the ref exactly the same way. I'm not sure where you're got this misconception from but I'm guessing it's something you've heard someone else say

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u/ReddJudicata shodan Jun 07 '25

I’m talking about competition. And it’s completely accurate.

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u/getvaccinatedidiots Jun 07 '25

It's 1000% accurate which is why arm bars in judo are much more dangerous.

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u/powerhearse Jun 07 '25

They are not more dangerous.

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u/powerhearse Jun 07 '25

Have you competed in BJJ? Have you trained BJJ? Where did you hear this? Because you're absolutely wrong.

In BJJ the culture is to wait for the referee to stop the fight, not to let go at the tap.

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u/powerhearse Jun 07 '25

This is an enormous myth.

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u/dylanjmp Jun 07 '25

doing them early on helps demystify them as well, someone used training them and understands the mechanics is less likely likely to crank the submission imo

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u/kitchenjudoka nidan Jun 07 '25

Stay in BJJ if you love training for competition & you love their rule set.

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u/LX_Emergency nidan Jun 07 '25

This is regional. Where I live it's age based not rank based.

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u/DragonspeedTheB nidan Jun 07 '25

Canada allows at Green/U16

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u/Capser616 Jun 07 '25

In Belgium and neigboring countries it is allowed in from the year you turn 16.

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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jun 08 '25

You are making this sound like a standard thing. Where I am I was getting my arm ripped off by a BJJ purple belt who competed with us orange belts.

The winner of my bracket was literally a BJJ blue belt who failed a tomoe nage and armbarred the deadliest dude in the division

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u/kitchenjudoka nidan Jun 07 '25

No armbars until upper ranks applies to shiai rules. If you’re training the full spectrum of the judo curriculum, you’d be training armbars. in lower ranks. Competition training is limited to competition rules. Train the full range, stop chasing prizes & trophies and you’ll absorb judo

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u/Cthulhu-fan-boy Jun 08 '25

Really? My school had no limits on arm bars or chokes provided that you could perform the technique safely (or any techniques for that matter)

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u/Sword-of-Malkav Jun 07 '25

arm bars are dangerous til people quit spazzing out