I have mixed feelings on this. Randori and Shiai are a great way to know if your judo works: that’s great for the art.
However, having done BJJ as well, I tend to think that throws which result in a bad ending position for Tori (roll-through, landing in back take, etc) should not score ippon because the point of the score is control. If the fight/match didn’t end at the throw, Tori would be at a disadvantage.
Or at least retaining dominant position. So remaining standing or landing in top/control position, or immediate transition to mount/pin.
I see too many throws get ippon that, if it was BJJ (I know it’s not, but still), would result in a back take or immediate reversal by the uke. This includes using the roll through to “force” the ippon AND bad drop throws where Tori is fave down and uke lands face up right beside them.
I have actually had a score against me where the guy rolled through after I threw with drop seoi. On review they reversed the score and awarded him the wazari.
Even though I was on the wrong side of the decision, I applauded it.
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u/gamerdad227 shodan Jun 07 '25
I have mixed feelings on this. Randori and Shiai are a great way to know if your judo works: that’s great for the art.
However, having done BJJ as well, I tend to think that throws which result in a bad ending position for Tori (roll-through, landing in back take, etc) should not score ippon because the point of the score is control. If the fight/match didn’t end at the throw, Tori would be at a disadvantage.