Videos shared on the judo sub are always going to be biased towards judo ending a fight. Hell, videos shared online in general are biased towards impressive finishes. Most street fights don't include ippons, they're more messy and likely to be waza ari or just people falling/dragging each other to the ground. In randori you don't have the adrenaline to shake off a big hit like that.
I think it's fair to say that when grapplers end street fights, the vast majority do so via pin/sub/groundNpound. To have self defence applicable judo, you should be able to consistently pin from a throw, rather than roll off or end on bottom.
And? The proposition I'm arguing against is basically "all judo takedowns on a hard surface end the fight". I searched for "wrestler" because videos featuring wrestlers are more common. I specifically looked for examples with decent amplitude takedowns that didn't end the fight - proof by counter example.
All of these examples (again, just a couple with a quick search) show a takedown that would be considered ippon in judo. Some of these examples show multiple ippons, with a higher amplitude than you see in a lot of competitive judo fights. All legit judo moves, and yes, common moves in no-gi situations.
I look at this sort of content a lot, and I've seen far more fights ending in submission/GnP/pin after ippon than by ippon itself. The whole "ippon ends the fight" narrative seems like a massive exaggeration to me. Imo if you like the idea of self defence judo, train transitions to pins, and don't roll through.
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u/ChainChump Jun 08 '25
Here are a few I quickly found:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetMartialArts/s/4ZmgEMFnan
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetMartialArts/s/hfV5zlJUhc
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetMartialArts/s/RI3uvPrCUA
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetMartialArts/s/qTSrXnZpEW
Videos shared on the judo sub are always going to be biased towards judo ending a fight. Hell, videos shared online in general are biased towards impressive finishes. Most street fights don't include ippons, they're more messy and likely to be waza ari or just people falling/dragging each other to the ground. In randori you don't have the adrenaline to shake off a big hit like that.
I think it's fair to say that when grapplers end street fights, the vast majority do so via pin/sub/groundNpound. To have self defence applicable judo, you should be able to consistently pin from a throw, rather than roll off or end on bottom.