Too many 'popular' opinions. I have something else.
Judo is not watered down. Like boxing, it has been distilled to its clearest essence. Judo is about throwing the shit out of dudes and wacking on fast submissions.
To introduce leg grabs, extensive ground work and god forbid strikes to the style again is to actually water it down. And all that for what? Its never going to be enough for people.
Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ and other great styles are good because they know what they are and focus on it. MMA and Combat Sambo are the ultimate nexuses for being well rounded, so why compete? Better to hone in on specific aspects of combat and create deeper wells of knowledge so that we can cross train and learn from each other.
Judo is not perfect and I would like some more changes. But otherwise its got its place and purpose.
This is a great post, I think this is just the same where ever you go. Lot's of people in r/bjj want to turn that sport into some all encompassing grappling style that can be all things to all people as well. Bjj excels at the study of ground grappling where you are allowed to fight off your back/the guard, it should emphasis that focus not try to be shitty wrestling. Judo should be the same with sweeps and throws.
People shit on guard pulling in BJJ... but screw it. Let it happen, why not just get to the meat of it? Thanks to guard pulling, BJJ has developed such interesting ideas and ways to fight from your back that we'd never figure out in Judo. Its an excellent skillset for self defence.
When I'm on the ground with BJJers, I'm always learning shit I'd never figure out in Judo training alone. The ones I like least are the guys that try to make some point about BJJ standup and end up stalling out or doing goofy sutemi waza.
Yep lots of people want to cosplay at being shitty wrestlers in bjj while bemoaning the thing the sports actually good at, it's honestly quiet bizarre.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jun 08 '25
Too many 'popular' opinions. I have something else.
Judo is not watered down. Like boxing, it has been distilled to its clearest essence. Judo is about throwing the shit out of dudes and wacking on fast submissions.
To introduce leg grabs, extensive ground work and god forbid strikes to the style again is to actually water it down. And all that for what? Its never going to be enough for people.
Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ and other great styles are good because they know what they are and focus on it. MMA and Combat Sambo are the ultimate nexuses for being well rounded, so why compete? Better to hone in on specific aspects of combat and create deeper wells of knowledge so that we can cross train and learn from each other.
Judo is not perfect and I would like some more changes. But otherwise its got its place and purpose.