Blue turned in for an uchi mata, and white reversed it, getting the score. Ippon in judo is a win in this case it was because white threw blue on his back with the reversal of blues throw.
Edit for getting the colours mixed up half way through.
There was no reversal. He just hooked Abe’s ankle and rode with Abe’s throw which was still locked in and in motion. Should not have gotten a score from that.
It matters who lands with their back on the mats and who has control/initiates the action.
In this case blue starts the throw, but white has a good grip and takes over the action to put blue on his back. It's easy to miss because it's a comparatively small movement, but during the throw white twists blues upper body and then guides him to the mat, This "already" counts as a second, counter-throw.
A bit of extra confusion stems from the fact that blue lands in a bridge position, not flat on his back. But this is scored the same, just for the simple reason that otherwise all top guys would dive head first into the mats and risk injury rather than a loss.
There are other throws that put the attacker on their back (e.g. sumi gaeshi), but in those cases they are still in control of the throw, which is why not everyone instantly loses if the back touches the mat.
I, personally, don't see how white is scoring ippon here. As a BJJ guy, I see blue initiating to attack uchi mata, white attempting to defend, almost stuffing blue's attack by sweeping him onto his back, but blue gets his balance and ends on top inside white's closed guard.
I don't understand how white scores anything from this position, much less wins the match.
Watch White's upper body. Abe cannot turn him (which the Japanese take great emphasis on), he faces the mat the whole time. While he manages to twist Abes upper body slightly.
Abe lands with his side before white hits the mat. It's all a bit convoluted, but a proper counter. I would have given Waza-ari though.
Only concerning thing is the leg hook which gives a bit of a kawazu-gake impression, but since it wasn't weighted, it doesn't matter.
I discussed with another higher Dan, he would classify it as uchi-mata-gaeshi because white does not step out with his leg, but that's semantics and not part of our discussion. Just a clarification for further referral.
The leg entanglement could potentially be dangerous, but at their level I have seen enough other stuff that would tear my body apart. Certainly nothing I would teach! From a ruleset point of view it is not a forbidden technique (especially kawazu-gake comes to mind).
So if you look into Uchi-mata sukashi and -gaeshi, they live of the point that you move your center of gravity out of the position Tori expects it to be and he mostly throws himself. White ensures blues rotation continues to the point of ippon.
Tl;Dr: blue lands on his back before white (without sutemi-waza), so it's a score.
No, but landing in the neck bridge from your opponent's throw is considered ippon. You are free to bridge as much as you want in newaza (ground fighting) situations for example
While it is important to look at who initiates the throw, this case is different because white uses te waza to counter the Uchi mata, it's simply a risk you need to be aware of when attempting Uchi mata.
He didn't almost stuff him, he turned him flat onto his back. Abe (blue) immediately turned and got on top just in case it didn't get Ippon (turning immediately could fool the judges into thinking it's a wazari, or he could at least attempt to get a point back in newaza).
Edit: bridging in a position like Abe was in is generally given Ippon, even though he doesn't make full 'back contact' with the tatami, you could see the referee wasn't sure either since it was given a Wazari at first
Agreed on the fact that white isn't in an unfavorable position if this was a BJJ match. In all likelihood, though, in a BJJ match, blue would likely score 2 points for the takedown if white stayed on the ground for 3 seconds, and then the ending position would be considered a neutral start for BJJ-style ne waza.
I guess the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that white doesn't end up fully in control at the end of the exchange, and is still awarded ippon. I can understand if it was a wazari, but that's not how that it was scored. Is the rule in Judo that ANY time on your back/neck is a full ippon, no matter how brief?
My apologies if I've said anything that warrants the condescension in your comment. I believe the user above me (before his edit) pointed out that even in a BJJ context, white isn't in losing.
I know about throws and ippons. I am just seeking clarification as to why that throw is awarded a full ippon.
Your comment didn't warrant that reply. I think the key to understanding some ippons (like this one) is that the control you need to have is only judged until the opponent hits the mat, it doesn't matter if you lose your control and end up in a neutral position after the throw
I said that it wasn't an unfavourable position for a judoka, but I retracted it because I did not pay attention to the white's legs. Still many options for a judoka there, but I didn't feel you could state that it was an objectively (un)favourable position, apologies.
The rest of the comment still stands though. It doesn't matter that Blue ended up turning and getting on top of White in the Newaza position if he lands like that and even tries bridging out. There needs to be a degree of control, but that's not a very high bar and the time spent on your back doesn't matter.
Obviously the match is considered over if a throw scores ippon but your comment made it sound like throws are the only way to win in judo. Apologies for the misunderstanding
The "throw" from white is uchi mata sukashi basically uchi mata slip/counter. Legitimate technique within judo. Whether this would be a clean ippon is debatable, but it would have definitely be at least wazari.
I would agree it's an ippon as it is a very nicely executed uchi mata sukashi with plenty of intent from white
No, uchi mata gaeshi requires you to stop ukis uchimata and then revers the direction backwards sweeping the supporting leg.
The direction is correct for sukeshi I don't believe tori is using his leg in the op he's just using his hands and shoulders to take ukis momentum and direct as he slips the technique. Definitely sukeshi even if a slightly unorthodox application.
Yes, it is the same technique she is showing. The designation of a throw is usually defined by the fulcrum. Koshi waza, the fulcrum is at the hip, ashi waza its around foot/leg. So this would still be tae waza as the hands are the main factor.
The fact she is manipulating the leg doesn't really make much difference. We don't change an ashi waza throw like osoto gari because tori has taken an over the top grip and is actively manipulating uki's chin with his forearm.
I hope that makes some sense as it's quite difficult to explain through text, and I'm also struggling to find the correct words to explain.
I am aware of that, but I'm saying that in my opinion, ippon should have more control and more clear that the throw has landed on the back. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
In judo, you don't have to end up in a top or even dominant position to score ippon. Here, blue landed on his back (or rather in a bridged position to avoid his back touching, but it's scored the same), so white gets the score. Doesn't matter that both rolled through and blue ended up on top. Very different from bjj where you have to land in a dominant position and maintain it for a few seconds to get the points.
Frankly, it's one of the things that bjj gets right, and it's illogical even by the judo scoring sytem. In a throw, ippon requires speed, power, AND control. If your opponent ends up on top, how are you in control?
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u/Senior-Chapter-jun91 Jun 14 '25
can someone explain to my non judo eyes?