I, personally, don't see how white is scoring ippon here. As a BJJ guy, I see blue initiating to attack uchi mata, white attempting to defend, almost stuffing blue's attack by sweeping him onto his back, but blue gets his balance and ends on top inside white's closed guard.
I don't understand how white scores anything from this position, much less wins the match.
While it is important to look at who initiates the throw, this case is different because white uses te waza to counter the Uchi mata, it's simply a risk you need to be aware of when attempting Uchi mata.
He didn't almost stuff him, he turned him flat onto his back. Abe (blue) immediately turned and got on top just in case it didn't get Ippon (turning immediately could fool the judges into thinking it's a wazari, or he could at least attempt to get a point back in newaza).
Edit: bridging in a position like Abe was in is generally given Ippon, even though he doesn't make full 'back contact' with the tatami, you could see the referee wasn't sure either since it was given a Wazari at first
Agreed on the fact that white isn't in an unfavorable position if this was a BJJ match. In all likelihood, though, in a BJJ match, blue would likely score 2 points for the takedown if white stayed on the ground for 3 seconds, and then the ending position would be considered a neutral start for BJJ-style ne waza.
I guess the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that white doesn't end up fully in control at the end of the exchange, and is still awarded ippon. I can understand if it was a wazari, but that's not how that it was scored. Is the rule in Judo that ANY time on your back/neck is a full ippon, no matter how brief?
My apologies if I've said anything that warrants the condescension in your comment. I believe the user above me (before his edit) pointed out that even in a BJJ context, white isn't in losing.
I know about throws and ippons. I am just seeking clarification as to why that throw is awarded a full ippon.
Your comment didn't warrant that reply. I think the key to understanding some ippons (like this one) is that the control you need to have is only judged until the opponent hits the mat, it doesn't matter if you lose your control and end up in a neutral position after the throw
I said that it wasn't an unfavourable position for a judoka, but I retracted it because I did not pay attention to the white's legs. Still many options for a judoka there, but I didn't feel you could state that it was an objectively (un)favourable position, apologies.
The rest of the comment still stands though. It doesn't matter that Blue ended up turning and getting on top of White in the Newaza position if he lands like that and even tries bridging out. There needs to be a degree of control, but that's not a very high bar and the time spent on your back doesn't matter.
Obviously the match is considered over if a throw scores ippon but your comment made it sound like throws are the only way to win in judo. Apologies for the misunderstanding
You're just being hostile to everyone for no reason. If you dont wish to explain the rules to a non-judoka nobody is forcing you to take part in the discussion
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u/ColdReflection3366 Jun 14 '25
What part do you want explained?