Agreed on the fact that white isn't in an unfavorable position if this was a BJJ match. In all likelihood, though, in a BJJ match, blue would likely score 2 points for the takedown if white stayed on the ground for 3 seconds, and then the ending position would be considered a neutral start for BJJ-style ne waza.
I guess the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that white doesn't end up fully in control at the end of the exchange, and is still awarded ippon. I can understand if it was a wazari, but that's not how that it was scored. Is the rule in Judo that ANY time on your back/neck is a full ippon, no matter how brief?
My apologies if I've said anything that warrants the condescension in your comment. I believe the user above me (before his edit) pointed out that even in a BJJ context, white isn't in losing.
I know about throws and ippons. I am just seeking clarification as to why that throw is awarded a full ippon.
I said that it wasn't an unfavourable position for a judoka, but I retracted it because I did not pay attention to the white's legs. Still many options for a judoka there, but I didn't feel you could state that it was an objectively (un)favourable position, apologies.
The rest of the comment still stands though. It doesn't matter that Blue ended up turning and getting on top of White in the Newaza position if he lands like that and even tries bridging out. There needs to be a degree of control, but that's not a very high bar and the time spent on your back doesn't matter.
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u/marek_intan Jun 14 '25
Agreed on the fact that white isn't in an unfavorable position if this was a BJJ match. In all likelihood, though, in a BJJ match, blue would likely score 2 points for the takedown if white stayed on the ground for 3 seconds, and then the ending position would be considered a neutral start for BJJ-style ne waza.
I guess the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that white doesn't end up fully in control at the end of the exchange, and is still awarded ippon. I can understand if it was a wazari, but that's not how that it was scored. Is the rule in Judo that ANY time on your back/neck is a full ippon, no matter how brief?