Agreed on the fact that white isn't in an unfavorable position if this was a BJJ match. In all likelihood, though, in a BJJ match, blue would likely score 2 points for the takedown if white stayed on the ground for 3 seconds, and then the ending position would be considered a neutral start for BJJ-style ne waza.
I guess the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that white doesn't end up fully in control at the end of the exchange, and is still awarded ippon. I can understand if it was a wazari, but that's not how that it was scored. Is the rule in Judo that ANY time on your back/neck is a full ippon, no matter how brief?
My apologies if I've said anything that warrants the condescension in your comment. I believe the user above me (before his edit) pointed out that even in a BJJ context, white isn't in losing.
I know about throws and ippons. I am just seeking clarification as to why that throw is awarded a full ippon.
Your comment didn't warrant that reply. I think the key to understanding some ippons (like this one) is that the control you need to have is only judged until the opponent hits the mat, it doesn't matter if you lose your control and end up in a neutral position after the throw
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u/marek_intan Jun 14 '25
Agreed on the fact that white isn't in an unfavorable position if this was a BJJ match. In all likelihood, though, in a BJJ match, blue would likely score 2 points for the takedown if white stayed on the ground for 3 seconds, and then the ending position would be considered a neutral start for BJJ-style ne waza.
I guess the thing that doesn't make sense to me is that white doesn't end up fully in control at the end of the exchange, and is still awarded ippon. I can understand if it was a wazari, but that's not how that it was scored. Is the rule in Judo that ANY time on your back/neck is a full ippon, no matter how brief?