BJJ rewards points for throws that result in you maintaining control after the throw. Judo doesn't care if your throw lands you in a terrible position as long as their back touched the mat.
BJJ allows pretty much any grips
BJJ you have to learn how to deal with someone pulling guard on you. Judo players can get totally nullified by a grappler doing this who's better at ground work than them.
BJJ allows standing submissions
My point is that in many areas the rules of BJJ for stand up are more relaxed and this makes it harder to game the rules in standup.
The only rule in BJJ I don't like is no slamming, especially if someone jumps guard. But between the two Judo has more silly rules.
Basically any throw can put you in a bad position if you are unbalanced/roll over on the landing. I see it all the time in competitive judo. It's especially jarring when the throw isn't particularly high amplitude. Some throws (e.g. kouchi makikomi) explicitly put you in a bad position.
In a submission only grappling match it is a tactic that can work, if they can keep you on the floor or your slamming game sucks. With a little practice you can really nulify guard pullers and as a stand up grappling specialist I think that's a handy skill to have.
I'm a fan of stand up. Here is my normal BJJ game which could look like a judo match
So your point is the bjj stand up its better only for grappling.
In a self defense situation if someone pulls guard at me, I just stand up and go away.
There's different levels of guard pulls. A good guard pull will entangle you and control you and often result in a fast submission or you falling over. Even when slams are allowed it's not guaranteed you will be able to use one in time if your not balanced.
With no practice against guard pulling this is common problem. However with practice you can learn how to counter them and predict them.
Your method of walking away only works if you were able to disable their entanglement aspect of their guard pull, which comes with practice.
The chances to fight a experienced person that does that in street is low, unless you're in grappling, which is not why we practice judo for. In my experience to do a guard pull its necessary foremost good grips. If not one can easily just kick away, strike, etc. It's just that risky to pull guard in the streets.
Here's a recent video I saw. Which highlights the issues. This guy's a national squad player and did plenty of throws but scored none as he wasn't able to maintain control after the throw. He's also got very little BJJ experience so is effectively using pure Judo in a BJJ contest
I actually got my black belt in 2005 so remember that period of Judo.
All I can say is that BJJ has actually made my throws better. I no longer do half hearted throws. I ensure every throw I fully attempt to land not just onto but passed Thier guard and in control.
The rules result in you having to have better all round stand up "if* you choose to specialise in stand up.
But for the sport it's just not worth the investment for most people.
BJJ basically just polished parts of my Judo that were lazy.
It's also easier to throw someone who's actively trying to throw you. It's much harder to throw someone who is defending, not actively trying to throw you and can guard pull and the rules won't stop them.
I never credited the actual standup skill of BJJ simply that their rules are better.
Better in this case doesn't mean results in all their players having better stand up. It just means the rules for me result in a better rounded game and are more fun.
the "national squad member" that has one international competition where it's an open tournament that anyone can join and where he lost the first round.
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u/Knobanious 2nd Dan BJA (Nidan) + BJJ Brown Jul 06 '25
BJJ stand up is actually better than Judo. (In terms of it's rules)