Why the animosity towards BJJ?

[u/pianoplayrr]

I'm just wondering why I often see Judo people ragging on BJJ people. I see this a lot when a BJJ guy posts a video demonstrating a Judo throw. In the comments there will usually be a bunch of angry Judo people saying things like "BJJ = basically just Judo", and things like that.

I have been noticing this for years, but why?

I think both arts are awesome, and it would be great if we could just combine them into one big, beautiful art!

[u/d_rome]

It started with the Gracie's with their dojo storming, wild claims of being undefeated, and winning UFC 1 with everything that is taught in Judo and calling it something else.

Also, BJJ has a tendency to claim anything as Judo as BJJ. Two examples of this is people claiming what John Wick does in the movies is BJJ. It's not. Several years ago the NFL QB Tua Tagovailoa started taking Judo lessons in the off season to help with concussions. When training camp rolled around the story became "Tua learned Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to learn how to break fall".

Really though, apart from shared history and shared techniques, I see them as two separate sports.

[u/powerhearse → u/d_rome]

Two examples of this is people claiming what John Wick does in the movies is BJJ.

His primary coaches are the Machado brothers, with some supplementary training with Dave Camarillo for his throws - so technically most of his training is from a BJJ background. For what it's worth lol, I haven't really seen anyone care about it much either way

[u/d_rome → u/powerhearse]

It was an example, but quite frankly you are correct and I'm more upset at the Judo community on that one. The whole conversation on Tua taking Judo started when Jason Morris contacted Mike Florio on Pro Football Talk (very popular NFL talk show in the US). Mike Florio wrote an article on it. I think Gary Goltz did an interview related to this. This was in February in 2023. I was like, "Cool! Judo is getting national exposure."

Next thing I hear six months later on an exclusive interview with Tua on NFL on Fox is how he's been taking Brazilian Jiu Jitsu lessons to help with breakfalling. My reaction was something like this. How is it that no one in the Judo community in Miami, California, or Hawaii managed to take advantage of an opportunity to put Judo in the forefront for two seconds?

Whatever real or perceived animosity there is towards BJJ from Judo folks, the bottom line is that as a whole the BJJ community is better at business in the US.

[u/unkz → u/d_rome]

 BJJ community is better at business in the US.

Makes sense, from what I’ve seen Judo is mostly non-profits while BJJ is almost all businesses, no?