Wrong sasae tsurikomi ashi

[u/miqv44]

Hello,

I'd like to know your opinion on that ankle throw but done in the wrong way.

In the original technique you block the leg on the side where you hold the uke's sleeve, intercepting their step forward, blocking their foot and pulling them towards you or slightly diagonally backwards while slightly stepping to the side making room for their fall.

I fully understand why it's done this way- it makes it more likely for them to land on their back, scoring an ippon.

Me and my favourite partner in judo were doing it wrong for a long time, we only realized like a month-two ago. We were tripping the leg on the side where you hold the uke's lapel. Closer and tighter grip makes it less dependant on good timing for intercepting the step forward and you can more easily force the technique to work.

I absolutely am aware of the drawbacks- forcing things is not the ideal judo way + throwing this way makes them more likely to land forwards and not on their back, not scoring an ippon.

But since we generally land it easier- I was thinking if it's not a better option for pure self defense in mind?
I never tested it, the only judo technique I pulled off in self defense was osoto otoshi (and it worked beautifully, like in an action movie).

I would love to hear your thoughts. This might be a very beginner-like question so sorry if the flair is wrong.

[u/Otautahi]

As you say, you can throw sasae to hikite side or lapel/offside.

For offside sasae to work you really need to drive uke’s elbow up into their ear with your hikite to generate the rotation.

Having a big belly or lots of power in your stepping action also helps.

[u/SucksAtJudo → u/Otautahi]

Offside is actually my preference, and I execute the technique just as you describe.

[u/miqv44 → u/Otautahi]

so I should be lifting him up more during a pull and that can make them fall on their back more? Sorry I'm struggling to visualize it

[u/SucksAtJudo → u/miqv44]

Pull uke straight forward using the lapel hand while pushing uke's elbow straight up with your sleeve hand like you're trying to force it above their head.

Don't use the strength of your arms, but use the weight and momentum of your body as you step in and rotate

[u/Confident_Fig6222]

I pretty much only do sasae on the lapel side and do hiza off the sleeve. Just seems to work better for me.

[u/miqv44 → u/Confident_Fig6222]

yeah for hiza the lapel side is just too close for comfort, it works much better on the sleeve side. But I suck at it, we pretty much never practice it and it's not yet on my list of techniques for the next exam

[u/NTHG_]

Muneta Yasuyuki, whose tokui waza is sasae tsurikomi ashi, demonstrates and explains it quite thoroughly starting from 1:51.

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

How is this even wrong? It seems very standard practice to pull the lapel side if anything.

[u/Tasty-Judgment-1538]

You can go on both sides. Also try with an overgrip.

[u/MyCatPoopsBolts]

Lapel side is both easier and much higher percentage. I always teach it before sleeve side.

[u/judo_matt]

The basic version of sasae tsurikomi ashi is to the sleeve side. This helps beginners fall because the hand uke would post with is controlled by tori. Aside from this beginner safety consideration, I would not say there is a wrong side.

[u/miqv44 → u/judo_matt]

thank you, I didn't know that offside is also a correct technique

[u/JapaneseNotweed]

Doing it on the lapel side is the norm in practice. Much harder to pull off on the sleeve side.

[u/rtsuya]

Me and my favourite partner in judo were doing it wrong for a long time

its not wrong

I absolutely am aware of the drawbacks

what do you think the draw backs are?

Closer and tighter grip makes it less dependant on good timing for intercepting the step forward and you can more easily force the technique to work.

thats not true.

[u/miqv44 → u/rtsuya]

I mentioned both drawbacks right after.

It is true, its easier to add more strength when you trip the leg on the lapel holding side.

And sure I learned on reddit that offside sasae is not a wrong technique and its fine to do it both ways.