Uchi Makikomi vs Drop Seoi Nage

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion]

I’ve asked about this before, but I have gotten interested in the move so I’ll ask again for different opinions.

Is there a particular reason to prefer Uchi-Makikomi to something like a dropping Ippon Seoi Nage? I find I tend to prefer Uchi Makikomi in a one grip situation, but I’m wondering if I should be working on a proper drop Seoi from that instead.

[u/Uchimatty]

There is very little different between in competition between uchi makikomi and standing ippon seoi. They’re the same finishing motion from different angles. So much so that I think the distinction is largely pointless. Any ippon seoi that’s overshot but still successful will end up being uchi makikomi, just by continuing the motion. So really this comes down to standing vs drop ippon seoi. 

Unlike standard drop seoi, drop Ippon seoi is a highly contextual throw because you can only pull downwards with one arm instead of two. But you still see it, often as a continuation of Ippon o soto or standing Ippon seoi. When I was an Ippon seoi player ages ago, I didn’t find it useful to decide what kind of Ippon seoi I was entering for. Just enter for Ippon seoi or Ippon o soto and adapt to your opponent’s reaction. Sometimes you will continue to the knees. Other times you’ll change direction and convert an Ippon o Soto to Ippon seoi or vice versa. Other times you’ll end up doing some kind of uchi makikomi.

[u/d_rome → u/Uchimatty]

I agree the distinction is largely pointless. I've probably done "Uchi Makikomi" hundreds of times while going for Ippon Seoi Nage. No one out there says they're an Uchi Makikomi player.

[u/Yamatsuki_Fusion → u/Uchimatty]

So you treat it as a part of a general attacking sequence, like ken ken Uchi-Mata/O-Uchi Gari then?

[u/PlaneRare8484]

I treat them as same throw. Maybe I ended up doing a uchi because my partner try to spin to the other way but I aim to finish.

Wrestling seoi nage is almost identical to uchi

[u/turbololz]

I'm rather tall, and with knee injury, so it's hard to bend the knees or drop them to get under my opponents, so I tend to use the uchi makikomi; when I do it it kind of looks like a yoko wakare, if it makes sense