r/judo • u/fleischlaberl • 3d ago

Competing and Tournaments Legendary Sukui nage (Scoop throw) at the WC 2005 (if the timestamp doesn't work it's 4m24s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhGjsvuYFIA&t=264s
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u/fleischlaberl 3d ago

Tori is one of the best European Heavyweights of All Time:

Very smart Judo! He often figured out his oppenent and could throw, whatever was needed.

Alexander Mikhalin

https://judoinside.com/judoka/589/Alexander_Mikhailin/judo-career

Kings of Judo : r/judo

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u/Notquitesane yondan 3d ago

I'll take the bait. 

Please. This could be modified tawara gaeshi, Sumi gaeshi (tori has a brief Georgian grip), or even Te guruma (the pant grip)! 

I will not accept Sukui Nage.

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u/fleischlaberl 3d ago edited 1d ago

"This could be modified tawara gaeshi"

In tawara gaeshi (ricebag reversal) Tori is sacrificing himself to execute the throw (ma sutemi waza)

"Sumi gaeshi (tori has a brief Georgian grip)"

In Sumi gaeshi (corner reversal) Tori is sacrificing his body (ma sutemi waza) to execute the throw.

" or even Te guruma (the pant grip)"

Yes - it is a hand technique (Te waza) and it is a wheel (kuruma).

Therefore it is Te gurma but! Te guruma is a variant (henka) of Sukui nage (scoop throw) and not an official classification.

"I will not accept Sukui Nage"

Up to you :)

Note:

Is Te-Guruma it's own technique or is it a variation of Sukui-Nage? : r/judo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_judo_techniques

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kodokan_judo_techniques

Best of course is our Judo reddit Wiki

r/judo Wiki: Judo Throws, Techniques & Resources

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u/NTHG_ sankyu 3d ago

Te guruma is a variant of sukui nage according to Kodokan's technique video

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u/Highest-Adjudicator 2d ago

Jesus Christ, why do Judoka nitpick over what Kodokan name techniques should fall under???

This is a huge turn-off for many people looking to get into the sport or who recently started doing Judo. It actively hurts Judo!

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u/teaqhs yonkyu 2d ago

Yeah it’s mainly the pompous way some judokas disagree. Like he could have framed it like, “what makes this a sukui nage and not something like a te guruma/tawara gaeshi?” That would be a much friendlier exchange than “I will not accept sukui nage”

Like he needs to touch grass bro lol

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u/Notquitesane yondan 2d ago

I was trying to be funny 😭

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u/Otautahi 2d ago

It’s an internet thing … people aren’t taking themselves seriously.

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u/Highest-Adjudicator 2d ago

I mean maybe to you it is… I have witnessed way too many people do the same thing in real life.

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u/don_maidana 2d ago

Beautiful!

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u/Appropriate_Front740 49m ago

It show leg grabs allowed counters bad technique.

I remember with leg grabs i had more dynamic in competition, something wrong standing, and leg grab help with Ippon. So if someone block kuzushi, i could attack legs because they defend only standing position.