r/judo • u/One_Walrus8690 • 1d ago
General Training Thoughts on my Seoi Nage?
This was at a judo for BJJ type of class but I’ve recently switched over to a Judo gym since I realized I enjoy it much more. I’ve discovered Seoi Nage throws are my favorite but I can’t say they come easy to me. Just wanted to share.
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u/Newbe2019a 1d ago
Pull a lot more with your sleeve arm and continue pulling until uke is fall. Try to keep your balance.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu 1d ago
I feel like trying to throw uke onto the crash mat is causing awkward technique. But if you're doing this without the crash pad then you really do need to take everyone else's advice here.
Would be good to see footage without crashpad anyway.
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u/ubwcgm shodan 1d ago
I agree. I like training with crash pads, but don't change what you're doing just because you have one. They are nice to have but shouldn't be necessary. I find it better to think that crash pads are there to remove the guilt i feel from repeatedly slamming someone into the ground, not something to make things better for uke. If they land on the crash pad, great, if not... Still great.
Also, for forward throws as a right hander, try targeting uke on to the ground in front of your left foot. Likely won't get them there but it does force you to rotate more. The throw as is looks good for your rank.
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u/One_Walrus8690 1d ago
It’s definitely awkward with the crash pad! I’ll try to film at the judo gym, it’s usually always crash pad at the BJJ gym 😅 I appreciate everyone!!
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u/euanmorse sandan 1d ago
You need to create kuzushi (breaking of balance) as you turn in. Notice that uke’s feet are still flat and then you use your effort (muscles) to ‘pick her up’? Your uke should be on the balls of their feet before you fully turn. Your uke is also a white belt so this be partly their issue.
Apart from that, make sure to really rotate into the finish. Seoi nage doesn’t involve throwing your partner over your head, but round your body.
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u/Flat-Control6952 1d ago
I would add that you don't have to go over the top but, once they are off their feet, it's easier faster to dump them off to the side. Pretty good though.
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u/Libra7409 1d ago
The kuzushi is completely missing. Your uke is still firmly on the ground with both feet. And you're standing far too close for a proper kuzushi. If you practice this, the throw suddenly becomes very easy.
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u/RealisticAbility7 1d ago
Leave more distance, a lot more kuzushi, squat down properly, keep your frame high and strong. The judo learning curve is long and steep, keep practicing!
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u/Tasty-Judgment-1538 shodan 1d ago
A bit of work and you'll get there. You got some solid advice here. My advice is to lose the crashpad, it's slowing your progress.
I also remember as a beginner I was always thinking of aiming uke at the crashpad and it was killing my technique.
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u/seraph341 1d ago
A bit of constructive criticism:
Leave a bit more distance between you two, you want to pull your colleague to you instead of throwing yourself into them.
Focus on keeping your legs strong and stable as not to loose balance while throwing.
Can't quite see where you are gripping with your right hand, that hand should ideally come from below your colleagues arm and to then grip near to the shoulder. If you're not getting it off her jacket (eri seoi nage) I'd say to try and grip a bit lower on the lapel and see how that feels for you.
Overall I think you are doing great, good practice makes perfect and there will always be something to improve. Way to go champ! 👏
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u/Which_Cat_4752 ikkyu 1d ago
DO NOT TRY TO FIND THE CRASHMAT
You create bad habit by doing so. Essentially you interrupt your own throw flow.
Either have some one who push the mat while you throw your uke, or just do it on regular mat. You don’t aim the mat, you just do your throw, either let a third person help to protect uke or trust your uke’s breakfall.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu 1d ago
I found standing at an angle towards the crash pad helps to keep close... but I still don't like them anyway. All my technique goes bad.
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u/Known_Landscape_5224 1d ago
I prefer to use my elber just below shoulder so as to not bend the arm.
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u/wowspare 18h ago
This is actually a really good example of why I hate working with crash mats. They cause more problems than they solve.
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u/CoffeeDefiant4247 1d ago
they're harder when doing them slow, great work. try to pull their leading arm to your hip as you throw and remember it is a squat, it's hard to see if your legs were too close together or not. While balance is good, it's also completely valid to just fall on them.
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u/Say-it- 1d ago
This might help, it might not. I see when you get uke over the point of balance, your head moves forward, looks like to kind of pull uke over your shoulder.
Instead try to drive your head in between your feet. Almost like you want to touch your nose to the floor I between your big toes.
Keep the grip strong and tight to your body.
This should give you more rotational energy and pull while keeping your self from leaning forward.
Looks good though!
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u/rickyclimbztoomuch 1d ago
Pull harder on the sleeve and in a little more of an up-and-back direction. Uke should be up on their toes when you load them up onto your hips.
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u/BebopOrRocksteady 1d ago
I think moving uke around your shoulder as opposed to over would feel a bit more natural and make the Ukemi easier on uke. You want one clean motion so when your grips are in, by turning into the body of uke with your hips you should have already Kuzushi and at that point you are guiding them into Ukemi. Make it part of your rotation to your throwing position so it is one motion of throwing while turning as opposed to turn then throw.
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u/IM1GHTBEWR0NG 1d ago
You have a decent Eri Seoi grip and connection to your uke. Now instead of a slow lean forward, bump your partner with your butt/hips faster and try to toss their feet toward the ceiling with the bump. Once they’re light from the bump, finish the throw with your arms by sliding them across your back and over your shoulder.
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u/Flashliteman sankyu 1d ago
Keep drilling it! For a white belt that looks pretty good, one thing I will say you should focus on not just with this throw but that will help with all other throws of this nature, is balance! Work on being stable and balanced with your uke loaded, this will help with your throws being smoother, and you won't need to drop to your knees.
Keep at it!
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u/1308lee 1d ago
When you get to this point you want to be on your toes, and at the angle of the arrow and just FUCKING SEND IT, so rather than jacking her UP, you’re using those muscles in your legs to send her over. Don’t pick UP, to throw DOWN. Once you’ve done that and fell on your face a couple times, you can use her body weight as a counter balance and use your arms to whip down, and in, keep your balance then smash an armbar on. When you stumble forwards, that’s wasted potential energy.
But that’s black belt shit.
You're making a great start 👍
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u/One_Walrus8690 1d ago
Thank you! That makes sense!
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u/1308lee 1d ago
little example of the angle
It’s somewhat of a "hot take" and you’ll find a lot of judo coaches teaching jacking up throws, loading them onto your back and then rotating to finish the throw. It’s fine but if you see any competition videos where there’s a big scramble while they’re flying through the air and it looks messy and scrappy while they’re trying to turn away from being thrown flat on their back and the thrower is grappling and fighting to keep them there… that’s because they’ve lifted rather than throwing down.
Then you see other throws and they’re lightning fast. Over and done with a split second. Whiplash inducing, massive smashes. That’s proper judo imo
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u/Black6x ikkyu 1d ago
Part of the problem with throwing on the crash pad is that you'll try to land your partner there. It screws up the throw is you're not set up properly. You end up trying to walk your partner over to land.
Start the throw with your left foot on the pad and your right foot on the floor, with the heel almost touching the pad. When you do the throw, you will end up landing them there.
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u/DisastrousContact379 1d ago
Good for you! I don’t know why, but after four years of practicing this sport I still can’t do seoi-nage. However, I completely fell in love with big throws like makikomi and sacrifice throws
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u/AgunaSan 1d ago
(Ippon, Morote or Kata regardless) Seoi nage is a te waza, meaning you use your arms. My thought on your seoi is: use your arms! Once uke is on your back, pull the sleeve and rotate your upper-body to the left: this creates a void in which uke will fall due to your pulling and not having any anchor points with their legs.
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u/Revolutionary-Rate53 1d ago
Try to do it as one smooth motion, don't stop/freeze the movement in the middle. Maintain your balance.
Also your arms look very passive. Pull up and towards yourself while you're turning in to get your opponent on their toes. Then you drop down to get "under" them, and keep your arms engaged as you rotate.
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u/kungfuTigerElk86 1d ago
You need to drill the first part 5 times till you throw partner.
Nice footwork
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u/One_Friend1567 1d ago
Turn your head into the throw, the body will follow!!
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u/dLimit1763 1d ago
Imagine you are wearing a watch on your left wrist and look at it while you are pulling to your left ⌚👀
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u/Evonyte 1d ago
I don’t get why you’re going to your knees, can you explain why?
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u/truthseeker933 1d ago
Hey there! Try looking Up som videos from the official Kodokan Judo YouTube. Might help :)
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u/Clue_Goo_ 1d ago
Try to buck your hips a bit more vertically so they don't tilt forward and cause that off balance foot step. Otherwise, hell yeah!
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u/Whole-Tone-5344 nidan 1d ago
One advice only: finish the job!
You’ve successfully loaded your Uke properly onto your back. But you stopped pulling and now Uke got stuck, piggybagging on you. Imagine slashing a sword, going from the top, downward and all the way to the other side, while turning your torso and head to your left.