Surprisingly I cannot find a clear answer to this.

1. GJJ developed from judo newaza (kosen judo rather than kodokan judo?). No one disputes that.

2. Judo's full canon isn't taught anymore because it's too dangerous. This started from Jigoro Kano himself. It got watered down further by sport judo. However those dangerous moves were still technically part of judo. Not everyone knows this.

3. The Gracies focused exclusively on newaza. It makes sense they'd be stronger here than others who focused on standup or being well-rounded.

Now to my question: did the Gracies add anything new in Gracie Jiujitsu that didn't already exist somewhere in the judo canon? If they did, how many techniques did they add? Or is their strength derived simply from focusing on judo newaza so much that they understood it better than anyone else?

I want to add it to my bjj tournaments

And one day mma

I wish I could add more flairs

Possibly just a UK thing, but I was talking with a friend about why BJJ seems to be more popular than Judo. He said that if he goes to a competition, most of the judo guys also do BJJ, but he doesn't think it would be the case that most BJJ guys at a competition would also do Judo. We had a few ideas about marketing, trends etc. but I was interested in what other people's thoughts were?

For the judoka that are cross training in BJJ, what are some of your favorite throws that you’re able to rip in the two seconds before your training partner pulls guard?

I’ve been using Tani Otoshi, Sumi Gaeshi and O Soto Gari from a same side grip.

So, for context I've trained in mainly striking martial arts mainly Boxing/Taekwondo for 8 years and some Muay Thai for half that time about 3 years but I'm aware I have no grappling and just something about having that gaping hole in my ability to defend myself has always been just kind of unsettling especially as someone who is 5'5 125lbs.

So, I decided I need to learn some form of grappling I have always liked BJJ and don't get me wrong I would want to learn it I mean I literally have about 6 gyms that are taught by world class coaches. And that's the problem. They are all expensive and I'm talking the cheapest one is 225 a month with the most expensive being $350ish. While my Judo classes are taught by multiple generally experienced Black Belts and are about $80 a month.

I am just starting out and know next to nothing about grappling but is it worth it to even think of learning BJJ right now? Is BJJ that much more of an effective martial art than anything I'd learn doing Judo? Just some advice maybe, I'd really like to learn BJJ but it's just an arm and a leg everywhere, so I have no idea how to go about that.

And yes, I'm aware there is Newaza on the ground. Just comparatively speaking.

Sorry guys, what's this throw called?

For context: So I'm a judo yellow belt and a BJJ purple belt but I've been way more committed to judo to where I even have gotten bjjers at my BJJ class to do some Randori rounds with me occasionally and also because the judo club I attend only has 1-2 classes a week for now so I like getting as much Randori as possible plus judo is way more fun in my opinion.

The one move I use alot during BJJ is Kami shiho gatame which Ive noticed alot of bJJ people I've rolled with do struggle to get out of because it is a hold that I do not see being taught much in BJJ if taught at all because I didn't even know this move until I started judo. I have used this move alot with a good success rate(until I roll with a brown belt,high level wrestler or a BJJ black belt then that's a different story lol) and I love this move because it definitely tires people out during rolling & allows me to set up a submission

TLDR: I wanna prove that this Judo brown belt is a fake. Is there a way to check it?

I'm a BJJ guy first and foremost. Our gym had a visitor lately. He's from another country and claims to be a brown belt Judoka. He wore a Judo gi and a brown belt (no black bar, so it was clear that it wasn't a BJJ one).

He was interested in teaching our gym Judo. He tried teaching but there were too many red flags.

My friends said that he told our smaller teammates that some throws won't work, slammed one of the smaller guys onto the mat with a big throw and leaving him in pain.

My experience with this dude: we did a shark tank thing (shark has to pass guard). He couldn't even hold closed guard. Understandable, probably not a newaza guy. But I figured a brown belt should at least have some idea. He also kept on skipping turns claiming he got cramps or something.

Then we rolled. Free spar. The dude just tapped to a kesa gatame. A fucking Judo pin.

It really raised some alarm bells for me. In our gym we have a BJJ brown belt who also holds a Judo brown, and he just laughs at my kesa gatame attempts.

We also have a white belt who'a a Judo black belt, but he's busy and can only drop by whenever he can, and I learned a lot from him. Both of theae former Judoka can easily escape my kesa gatame, or at least prevent me from getting into it. And with the Judo black/BJJ white, he's at least competent with getting subs after a throw. This new guy doesn't.

But when I did this to the visiting "brown belt" he just tapped. His reason? Not good at newaza. After that, I could tell there's something quite not right about his brown belt.

I also intentionally left my guard down to be thrown. He got me with an osoto gari but when he took me down for some reason my guard retention attempts make him fall to the mat lol and I ended up in side control.

I would have left it all behind until he started pestering my coach and his staff. He really wanted to teach us Judo for some reason. They already explained that we don't need a new coach, and that the team already has a Judo black belt who's willing to teach us throws when he's around. He still won't take no for an answer and is getting quite aggressive.

Is there a way to check his legitimacy? I figured if we out him for being a fake, he'd at least leave us alone. He's really annoying the team was uncomfortable when he was around. He keeps on giving unwanted advice, scolding a blue belt for accidentally wearing his gi right over left, and many more.

Maxamillian Schneider shows a reverse seoi Nage in No Gi. Awesome variation. The finish is more of a sode tsurikomi goshi

Reverse seoi nage is pretty hard in no gi, I’ve used the same variation Max does. What do you guys think of reverse seoi in no gi?

This is just a thought of why I think BJJ is becoming more popular than Judo. I’m basing this on the fact you see more BJJ clubs than judo clubs. Ignoring the MMA argument.

I think one lesser discussed reason is the lack of No-Gi training/competition. When you see BJJ comps that are getting higher followings with better production value, it’s No-gi competitions. I think with the rise of social media and people wanting to share cooler action shots no-gi fighting gets more attentions that any gi fights in general. So people are drawn to what they see online.

What are your thoughts?

Update: form what a lot of people are saying it’s also social media presence. Do you think judo clubs need to push their socials more?

Dominating the middleweight and open weight divisions on two continents apparently

Its my guilty pleaseure to watch them try and re-invent the wheel by putting their own terrible unique personal spin on a throw and then exacuting it all really badly and making out that that throw is somehow going to be your solution to stand up and short cut to not needing to butt scoot or investing years in actual stand up with a cheeky thumbs up at the end. I also enjoy commenting on them too..... I know im adding fuel to the flames lol.

I did see a perfect comment which was along the lines off....

Learning Judo throws from BJJ videos is like going to a chinese resturant and ordering a Pizza

I'm curious if we got anyone on here who did Judo before the first UFC or atleast before they knew about BJJ. I'm curious were you like that guy is doing Judo why are they calling it Brazilian Jujitzu? Did you recognize right away that BJJ = Brazilian Judo?

Today I have a BJJ match, and it turns out I've had to face someone several times who doesn't wear a shirt and actually sweats a lot. So I've tried to apply techniques like goshi, but the problem is that when I try to do so, my opponent always breaks free, using his strength and also his slippery skin, which makes it difficult for me to get a good grip.

Last time, we ended up at a stalemate, as he tried to apply holds like the armbar, but I was too far from his technique. I tried to do the same, but he also broke away from my attempts.

So, what strategies do you recommend for tonight's match? I should also clarify that my opponent weighs the same as me.

Hello everyone. I’m 16 and I’ve been doing BJJ for 4.5 years now and my takedown game is lacking, although I would go train judo at an actual judo gym I can’t due to finances and time.

Now my question is, is it possible to develop “Decent”(have a good understanding of 2-3 throws/sweeps/trips) judo while only training BJJ?

I’m training every day, sometimes twice a day and always start my rolls/randori standing.

Such a beautifully simple and yet effective technique.

I'm a Jiu-Jitsu guy who has 1 and a half years of experience with limited Judo experience and I need help.

There's this Judoka at my gym who is very strong, has really good throws, and gpod top-game. What pulling guard isn't working for me because he just crushes me. What are some tips that can help?

Finally got my first Judo belt. I was honestly okay with staying a sleeper white belt since judo is my side quest (mainly bjj). But considering there’s no green belt in Jiu jitsu, I’m actually digging this a lot.

Hey all! I've done judo for a couple years and absolutely love it, and I recently started cross training BJJ, at a gym that's cool with throws so long as im not doing shit that's hard to slap out of or generally higher risk for an uke less trained in nage waza. Was wondering what yall would say are some of the best throws for no gi? I've found some pretty decent success with seoi nage and harai goshi, but im wondering what some of the best throws for those natural hooks would be. Thanks!

I recently competed in a BJJ tournament, and I noticed that getting taken down with single legs is a real threat to my game. I tend to favor ashi waza like kosoto gari and hiza guruma, and those attacks were putting my legs at risk of getting grabbed when they weren't successful. Anyone have some good throws or tactics to defend against single leg takedowns?