r/lebanon • u/Admirable-Tell3079 • Sep 25 '24

Discussion Israel is bombing absolutely everything not just civilian homes.

just now a few members of the civil defense (ldife3 lmadane) got bombed while they were helping to clear up the rubble of a destroyed building. I’m still not sure how many people were there or got injured but what I do know is that the hezb are fighting human animals with absolutely no ounce of mercy or thinking in their minds, and whoever defends these acts in this subreddit is definitely not a Lebanese.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '24

I can’t offer a solution. And I understand the action. My issue is with the lack of empathy, the dehumanization of Lebanese people and the callous attitude towards the sanctity of life.

The attitude should not be “oopsies some civilians are dead oh well they’re harboring terrorists 😌”

When you don’t see the inherent value in others it becomes easier to exterminate them.

This should be seen as a terrible reality of war.

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u/Akitten Sep 25 '24

The attitude should not be “oopsies some civilians are dead oh well they’re harboring terrorists 😌

What "should" be the attitude? If the attitude was "All life is sacred and civilian casualties are unacceptable in any context", wouldn't the response be accusations of hypocrisy considering the actions being taken?

This should be seen as a terrible reality of war.

It is seen that way, which is why most people were very loud about warning hezbollah that attacking israel would result in very bad things.

Basically, while I agree with your ideal, I struggle to see how people could reasonably react in a way that would get your to consider them "empathetic".

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '24

I am not stupid I know casualties are inevitable. I do know that empathy breeds restraint. That is my point. Lebanese people and Israelis have inherent value. People will die. This is tragic and restraint should be shown it’s that simple. Maybe you are seeing more of this attitude. I am unfortunately not. I hope for the sake of everyone you are right.

To me personally there is a vast difference between acknowledging you have to secure your country and callously blaming civilians for rockets they did not fire and being okay with their destruction

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u/Akitten Sep 25 '24

and callously blaming civilians for rockets they did not fire and being okay with their destruction

The question that has to be asked is "should hosting weapons and fighters in civilian infrastructure grant additional protection to those things"?

If you say, no it shouldn't, then bombing them regardless of civilian casualties is the correct action to take. Obviously you try and target the strike as much as possible, but the reality is that you need a big enough boom to hit the weapon cache.

If you say, yes it should, then you've incentivized every military force that DOESN'T care about civilian casualties to do exactly that, possibly creating a precedent that endangers more civilians in the long run.

and restraint should be shown

This is the crux of the issue, should more restraint be shown in striking fighters and weapons in civilian areas, and if so, why would that not result in more civilian casualties as fighters realize they are more protected the more civilians they are surrounded by?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '24

I think we’re misunderstanding each other because my issue isn’t even Israels actions perse. What I see is a worrying trend of comments calling for carpet bombing the country, killing Lebanese people indiscriminately and a just over all “oh well” attitude if civilians die. I don’t think Israel is overreacting or acting unjustly believe it or not. What I worry about is the possible escalation and dire consequences this could have if these sentiments are ubiquitous in Israeli society. (They are on my corner of the internet but I literally have no clue what that average Israeli thinks)

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u/Akitten Sep 26 '24

What I see is a worrying trend of comments calling for carpet bombing the country, killing Lebanese people indiscriminately

Would you like to share where you are seeing these comments?

and a just over all “oh well” attitude if civilians die.

This one doesn't surprise me, because well... if everyone is going to call you a murderer and war criminal regardless of civilian casualties, you can hardly be surprised that people get numb to such things. The "500 dead from strike on hospital" bullshit story comes to mind.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '24

Sure. I’ve seen some on this subreddit, the Israel subreddit and the comment sections of TOI, Jerusalem times, and other Jewish newspapers. One that I read yesterday I think on Jerusalem times said bomb the whole country and get rid of everyone and let them call it what they like (I think referring to genocide?) and it had several likes in support. Stuff like that just makes my blood run cold. Whether it’s true or not it reinforces in my mind that Israeli citizens don’t consider the lives of Lebanese people valuable.

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u/Akitten Sep 26 '24

Okay, news comments sections are like YouTube comments to me. Straight up unhinged regardless.

As for examples here, mind sharing some? I haven’t seen it, especially not on this subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '24

Really? You just have to look around at any post from the last few days? I’m sure you’ll see plenty of examples. Though many end up deleted or downvoted to oblivion.