r/montreal • u/Front-Cantaloupe6080 • 27d ago
Article 23-year-old charged with assaulting Jewish man at Montreal park
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/assault-bodily-harm-charges-jewish-man-1.7606709120
u/wabbitsdo 27d ago
It's bad enough that this guy was assaulted, but doing it while his children were with him is beyond fucked up :/
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u/figflashed 27d ago
Horrific and pointless attack.
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u/poverty_mayne Plateau Mont-Royal 27d ago
They couldn’t find anyone other than Jeremy Levi of all people to talk about “human decency”?
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u/Critical_Try_3129 27d ago
ah ah! en effet!
juste assez débile comme choix d'interlocuteur pour instiguer chez le lecteur une petite once de doute à l'effet que le type ait été rincé pcq il est juif et pas pour plein d'autres raisons, bref : pas super judicieux
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u/thrice_twice_once 27d ago
They couldn’t find anyone other than Jeremy Levi of all people to talk about “human decency”?
Bingo.
That ass is one of the primary actors of dividing us.
He talks about outrage here but tomorrow he'll once again call all Muslims terrorists.
Even though the video that found the attacked was the one presented by a Muslim.
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u/JazzTheDogofWar 27d ago
It doesn't matter the victim ethnicity or religion, aggressors must accept the consequences of their actions.
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u/trustabro 27d ago
No. It does matter because too many people throw oil on the Islamophobia fire. Yes aggressors must accept the consequences of their actions AND we need to be clear that the person is not Muslim.
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u/Landlord2030 27d ago
I have no problem with that as long each time it is an Islamist, the media mention that as well, would like to have facts and stats in order
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u/Competitive_Coat8624 27d ago
We must walk on eggshells will Islamophobia.. yes. We must be so accepting of the religion that is least accepting
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u/Ok_Climate2983 27d ago
What’s “Islamophobia”?
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u/VinylHighway 27d ago
Fear of islam. Do you not know the word phobia?
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u/nothing_in_dimona 27d ago
Would it be islamophobic to point out that there has been a disproportionate number of attacks against Jewish people and institutions in Canada carried out by people motivated by Islamism over the past two years?
(To be clear, I'm using "Islamism" intentionally as it's a form of political Islam with extremist elements.)
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u/VinylHighway 27d ago
Pointing out facts is not (whatever) phobic
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u/ninedotnine 27d ago
Without getting into the specifics of this situation, pointing out objectively true facts can sometimes be (whatever)-phobic. Often this will be due to a fixation on particular facts, or omissions of other relevant facts.
For example, somebody who posts every day the number of Islam-inspired attacks that have transpired in history would certainly be islamophobic -- especially so if that person looks the other way every time a white incel attacks women.
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u/Ok_Climate2983 27d ago
Yes, obviously, and I know the etymology. Every time a Muslim is mentioned in a public forum someone starts bleating “Islamophobia”.
What do you think is a reasonable criticism of Islam then? Just curious.
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u/trustabro 27d ago
What about when every time a hainous crime is made to Jewish people, the reaction is to blame Islam or Islamic people right away? A guy here was saying that the name of the aggressor is Mohamed. People were saying that the aggressor is Arab without even knowing the facts. That’s Islamophobia.
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u/Ok_Climate2983 27d ago
Given the track record of violent incidents, including but not limited to terrorist atrocities over the last few decades committed by Muslims and the general, widespread, antisemitism in that community that’s hardly “Islamophobia” that’s, rather, pattern recognition.
But yes, people shouldn’t jump to conclusions. No reasonable person would dispute that.
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u/trustabro 27d ago
That’s not called pattern recognition. It’s called racism. You can recognize a pattern when the facts point to the same thing that has happened with the same criteria. Guessing that it is happening and the cause is Muslim is literally racism.
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u/Saltyfembot 27d ago
Recognizing a pattern isn't pattern recognition?
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u/trustabro 27d ago
Recognizing a pattern includes, by definition that all the things that you saw have the same variables. If you are guessing one of the variables, race, based on previous instances is not pattern recognition. It is guessing, it is assumption, it is naming something that is not real, in this case, racism.
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u/noname987333 27d ago
Nah it’s pattern recognition and being able to read and interpret statistics and know world history. Also how is speaking out against a religion racist? It’s a religion not a race?
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u/noname987333 27d ago
I’m with you and why is it the only one that gets called a “phobia” when you critique it. Also why do they keep showing up in droves to pray outside Notre Dame when they have many mosques to pray in? A show of dominance?
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u/guglio123 27d ago
Yes it does matter. It matters that a terrorist cult had been going around attacking jews for the last three years without Canada doing shit.
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u/noname987333 27d ago
It’s crazy how you make a totally common sense point and it’s downvoted to hell. Gotta love Reddit
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
This individual assaulted another person - in front of that person's children - in public.
He should prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
It should be less about the background of the two people - and should focus on the the fact that the assailant put this person in the hospital, caused that person's children distress - this should be enough to have the person thrown in jail.
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
Background matters if it’s a part of the motivation.
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
Physical assault is against the law regardless.
During the trial the “why’s” can be introduced and discussed / argued.
However the “what” e.g. the assault - has already been documented - and this should be the underpinning of the case against the assailant.
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
Obviously assault will be the crime they try him for. It’s important to recognize the ethnicities because it lets us analyze trends in violence towards certain groups, and then nip it in the bud before it becomes a bigger problem.
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u/omgwownice 27d ago
You can't make any useful inferences based on stories you see here and there in the news. One, two, three, or four violent attacks against a single group do not constitute a trend, but if you see several stories in the news you'll feel like it is.
Bottom line, if you're looking for a trend go to StatsCan. Anecdotes like this are only going to reinforce implicit biases.
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 27d ago
There is a huge trend in anti-semitic violence though. This incident puts a human face on these numbers.
Rates of antisemitism in Canada have been steadily on the rise since 2019 with the number of police-reported hate crimes increasing year over year. In 2021, there were 482 reported, compared to 331 in 2020, which was a 47% increase. The epidemic of antisemitism in Canada has only gotten worse in a post-October 7th world. According to Statistics Canada, the escalation in antisemitic hate crimes was particularly pronounced following the events of October 7, 2023. During October to December 2023, the average number of monthly hate crimes reported against the Jewish population was 148, compared to an average of 51 per month in the preceding nine months. Unfortunately, this trend has continued. The most frequently reported hate crimes in Canada 2023 were directed towards the Jewish community, accounting for 19% of the total number of hate crimes, despite Jewish Canadians making up approximately 1% of the Canadian population. Of the 1,284 religiously motivated hate crimes in 2023 in Canada (67 percent increase year over year), 900 (70%) targeted the Jewish community. There were more than four times as many antisemitic hate crimes compared to the second-most targeted religious minority https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/canada-holocaust/antisemitism/memory-truth-responsibility.html#a6a
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u/omgwownice 27d ago
I never said there wasn't and of course it's newsworthy. Why do we need to fixate on one isolated crime for people to care about the rise of antisemitism? Here are 6 CBC news articles/videos from this year about the rise of antisemitism:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csis-antisemitism-violent-extremists-1.7463398
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/jewish-community-federal-election-antisemitism-1.7511453
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6721834
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6729320
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-antisemitism-jewish-community-1.7304013
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.6373091
This is well documented, the only thing that anecdotal stories like this accomplish is making people feel validated. I stand by my original point.
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
I agree that reading too far into a few stories can give us an unrealistic understanding, but it’s still important to mention racist motivations in a potential hate crime. Would you hide race if a black guy got lynched?
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u/brikouribrikouri 27d ago
gross to use antiblackness as a catchall example like this, when lynchings still happen and are extremely often minimized or not charged as hate crimes can you just make your arguments without "well what if it was a black guy" as though antiblackness were solved in 2025
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
Wtf are u even talking about?
I never said anti-black racism is “solved.” It’s an extreme and pertinent example to show that race can be an incredibly important part of crimes. It’s literally an anti-racist argument.
Are you just mad that I’m comparing black people to Jewish people?
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u/omgwownice 27d ago
I don't think race should ever be hidden, I was just disagreeing that it's useful for detecting trends. Mostly it's useful for scaring people.
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
Well trends are understood based on collecting a lot of data. The race is important data.
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
Again - all of that can be introduced and stated as a contributing factor - but the thing that will get him put in jail is the actual assault.
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 27d ago
A hate crime can be added as a charge, giving him a longer sentence to deter those with political, racial, and religious motives for their violence. So the ethnicity of the victim is relevant given the rise in the normalization of antisemitism.
I think the fact that he threw the victims kippah into the fountain is evidence that this was a hate crime.
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u/NovelFox96 27d ago
You can go to jail for hate crimes, which is why the background is important
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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 25d ago
Yeah but people on Reddit would rather dance around the fact that certain hate crimes are on the rise so they will twist themselves in knots to convince you that the racial/ethnic motivation doesn't matter.
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u/rmeman 27d ago
Just curious, what do you think happened to the people of this particular reglious group when they assulted the SPVM in 2021 because they felt the lockdown went against their religion ?
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
I have no idea what happened to them
As for: “ when they assulted the SPVM in 2021 because they felt the lockdown went against their religion..”
Maybe I missed it but I don’t see a reference to physical assault
The article does indicate:
“… Trois membres de la communauté ont également reçu un constat pour non-respect du couvre-feu - alors qu’ils se trouvaient sur la rue -, un autre a été arrêté pour entrave au travail des policiers et un dernier pour menaces envers un caméraman…”
So looks like some charges but who knows what happened from there.
So minimum - they were likely charged for that.
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u/rmeman 27d ago
You find that assaulting the SPVM and getting 'charged' is acceptable ? Look up videos on how religious people reacted to the lockdown. Why the double standard ?
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
Scroll up - and read what I said - which was: “Maybe I missed it but I don’t see a reference to physical assault.”
Where does it say that members of the spvm were physically assaulted?
Because I see no reference to “physical assault” in the link you provided.
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u/rmeman 27d ago
Really ? Are you sure you speak French ? Let me quote from the article:
`accompagnés d’enfants, ont « chargé » un cordon de policiers intervenus pour faire respecter le décret sanitaire, pour reprendre ses propres mots.
« Ça n’a pas de bon sens ce qui s’est passé. Parmi ces gens, il y avait des enfants. C’est inacceptable que nos policiers à Montréal se fassent bousculer par un groupe d’une communauté, dans un contexte d’application d’un décret sanitaire », dit-il.`
You wanna go 'bousculer' an SPVM agent and see what happens ?
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
So if I understand this correctly - some members of the spvm got shoved? They were physically pushed?
SPVM who are trained in crowd management, SPVM who were there en masse, who were most likely in some sort of protective gear - they got shoved and pushed by a group?
In which case - if they (spvm) detained some of those Individuals at the time of the incident who did the push and shove - then yes, they should be charged and prosecuted for assaulting an officer. Were they? Who knows?
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u/rmeman 27d ago
And one more thing. They charged at the SPVM with their children. Kinda puts into perspective what kind of nutjobs we're dealing with, not much different from others in the Middle East that also weaponize their kids in a stupid war
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u/No-Commission-8159 27d ago
So this is the second bigoted comment from you in a row.
I have zero interest in engaging any further with your xenophobic banter.
Go pester someone else.
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u/rmeman 27d ago
Of course. Quoting the article based on facts and actions that this religious community actually did, is now bigotry.
Didn't take long for the partisanship to show it's face.
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u/kroot_kroot 27d ago
This is a horrible act but I don’t think platforming someone like Jeremy Levi is a great idea
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u/AnonymousTAB 27d ago
Would love to see the justice system make an example of this idiot. We need to send a clear message that Canada has zero tolerance for hate crimes - especially in a world in which antisemitism is once again on the rise.
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u/noname987333 27d ago
But we don’t have zero tolerance for it. We have been tolerating this for years and it’s only going to get worse. We have weak leaders and we have almost zero consequences for crime in this country.
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u/Why_No_Doughnuts 27d ago
Fear of this is why I do not wear my kippah in public. I have an 18 month old daughter and as a single parent, she is always with me. My biggest fear is that someone will try to hurt her for being Jewish because they see me in a kippah. It is utterly terrifying be a Jew in Canada right now.
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u/RedWhacker 27d ago
Did he assault him for being Jewish or did he assault someone that turned out to be Jewish?
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u/Why_No_Doughnuts 27d ago
"The fact that his kippa was thrown into the water, he didn't choose to throw anything else. That's a religious symbol," he said. "And according to [the victim] you could see the hate, the passion, in the attacker's eyes."
He was attacked because he was visibly Jewish.
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u/planet_inc2 12d ago
what are the proofs about that? News didn't give any explanation or proofs that's because he was Jewish.
From the first second, they spreaded "a Jewish dad beaten"....but absolutely no proofs about it.
I feel that this sad situation (simply, a dad being beaten in front of his kids, i agree this is sad) has been used to make a fake news about antisemitism.
And by the way, it could have been a cap instead of a kippa....so this news is really subjective and absolutely not objective. They should have wait investigation conclusion before spreading messages encouraging hatred.
Really wrong
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u/Why_No_Doughnuts 11d ago
He was dressed like a hassidic Jew. It was his kippah, and yes, him being visibly a Jew is what got him attacked.
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u/planet_inc2 12d ago edited 12d ago
Exactly! News media had spread this from the beginning as a hatr crime situation but they didn't give any proofs about this...we only saw the video and heard "Jewish dad beaten"......"...jewish dad...."........"...jewish dad"
I'm sorry but just this aspect is really not ok, destroys the credibility of the news, because it makes this look as some people somewhere took advantage of this bad incident and tried to make it falsely look like a hate crime against a jewish dad, but without any proofs explained!!!....
The right way this should have been: 1- "a dad beaten in front of his kids" news 2- police conducting investigation 3- discovering the facts, from investigating professionals, that the reason was "he's jewish" 4-Then, reinform with the conclusion and fact verification
That's not what happened...The first words about the incident were "Jewish dad beaten"
This is REALLY WRONG in my opinion, it's about information Ethics....really not ok!!!!!
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u/Thoughts_For_Food_ 27d ago
Have the same question and other people commented on the author being a known antagonist... Without further detail, I would assume that is what is happening here. Otherwise, why mention the religion, which seemingly implies that the attack was religion-motivated, and then not justify that conclusion in the body of the article?
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u/1Wiseguy999 27d ago
So was it a hate crime or did these 2 have beef over something?
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u/talktothepope 27d ago
If you've spent any time near Hassidic Jews, the only thing they will hassle you for is to turn off their oven in exchange for cake on whichever day that is. They keep to themselves.
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u/Zealousideal_Cup416 27d ago
I got paid a beer for turning off an oven. I was also flagged down on Oct 7th (yes, that Oct 7th) to ask for details on the situation. I had read a bit about it that morning, but not enough to properly inform them of the details.
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u/omgwownice 27d ago
Hasidic jews in NYC got a bike lane ripped up because they couldn't handle women riding bikes near their children. They also harass people they deem indecent all the time. I can't speak for Montrealers but Hasidim are religious zealots and fundamentalism is bad.
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u/AnySink8698 27d ago edited 27d ago
And is this NYC or is this Montréal? Both are very different, there's even two different hassidic communities within NYC.
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u/SirupyPieIX 27d ago edited 27d ago
And is this NYC or is this Montréal?
They're a cross-border community. A large part of them in Montreal have dual citizenship, and celebrated when Trump won.
edit: why am i being downvoted. I thought this was common knowledge.
70% des hommes de la communauté des juifs hassidiques sont originaires de la région de New York et possèdent la double citoyenneté
https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2021/03/27/la-communaute-juive-se-veut-rassurante
https://www.reddit.com/r/montreal/comments/1i7ax5p/cheskies_giving_out_cookies_for_trumps_win/
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u/TearDesperate8772 27d ago
They got it rerouted one block over because there were multiple collisions with school bus dropoffs.
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u/talktothepope 27d ago edited 27d ago
Not sure why this is relevant. It's not like Hassidic Jews have a monopoly on religious fundamentalism. Anyways, I doubt they thought this 23 year old cis guy was "indecent" lol. Would love to see evidence backing that assertion in general.
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u/LeRocket 27d ago
Not sure why this is relevant.
It's relevant because it's just not true that "the only thing they will hassle you for is to turn off their oven".
Even if I understand where this person's coming from (they mostly keep to themselves).
There are exceptions, and it's not pretty.
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 27d ago
It's targeted lies like these online that feed anti-semitic attacks like this.
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u/LeRocket 27d ago
the only thing they will hassle you for is to turn off their oven in exchange for cake
Except that time where one of them tried to rape an 11 year-old friend of mine (I was also 11), in the alley behind a neighbourhood party.
He also showed us his penis.
But, yeah, this is an exception and they almost never interact with non-Jews if they don't have to.
(I lived two decades near a very Hassidic neighbourhood).
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u/dhtirekire56432 Bonjour - aille! 27d ago
Nobody knows and yet everybody speculates... and anyway, physically attacking someone is a hate crime
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u/Analogvinyl 27d ago
The hate part is important as it can add to the sentence for terrorizing a community.
I hope it's not a hate crime but we will only know after investigation. Race of the attacker or even the attacked is not the determining factor.
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u/SickSapochnik 26d ago
What makes her so offended and driven by hatred, fighting in front of children? You know how traumatic is that, and that memory will be with them throughout their life. is she feeling very proud after doing that, why don't she go back and fight in war. Clearly don't have the guts to do that. Doesn't deserve to be called a man.
I hope the kids and the guy get justice.
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u/Anonymous-Person-202 23d ago
What a horrible story. I hope the victim heals and that he gets justice.
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u/planet_inc2 12d ago
i really didn't like the way that situation was spreaded by the news.
Basically, there has been a conflict between 2 adults and one having kids with him.
I wonder why news had to strongly mention that he was a Jewish dad..we didn't even get informed of the reason of this conflict, but we surely heard many time "jewish dad"
I don't understand. I guess the news would have not been spreaded the same way if the dad was not Jewish..
My comment is really neutral! I mean, if it was really because he's jewish, how do they know that? I don't remember have heard any explanation or proofs that the young guy beaten him "because he's jewish".....
So because of that, i don't trust the way news spreaded this.
Jew or not Jew, a dad has been beated in front of his kids (which is sad), that should have been the real news! Then, if it's really because he's jewish, why didn't we hear any proofs or explanation about that..
Sorry but a big part of this news is unreliable
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
Are you implying that it’s ok to assault Zionists?
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u/Regular-Equipment-30 27d ago
Of course not! No violence. Why are you saying that?
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u/HedonCalculator 27d ago
The way you phrased that sounded (to me) like you are saying that people are wrong for attacking Jews, just because not all of them are Zionists. What’s the point of that distinction in this context?
Sorry that I misunderstood, but I’ve seen this sentiment more times than I’m comfortable with so I had to call it out just in case.
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u/Regular-Equipment-30 27d ago
No hate.
Point was a joke to diffuse the issue of “racism”. That is just not the Canadian way.
Quite frankly, all I’m saying is that it’s INSANE what is happening today.
Thank god we aren’t in the USA
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u/LetThePoisonOutRobin 27d ago
Don't waste your time, people love to hate and believe whatever bullshit their friends told them...
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u/Regular-Equipment-30 27d ago
I hope you don’t think I believe Kanye is being abused?
That was sarcasm.
And if you are one of the trolls who hate Israel, let me tell you. Move on buddy!
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u/LetThePoisonOutRobin 27d ago
Wow, it's amazing how people on reddit can be so confused even though it seems like we speak the same language.
I was referring to your comment about "Ppl are confused; Jewish does not equal Zionist.", and I agreed with you... 🙄
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u/Regular-Equipment-30 27d ago
Oh sry… my bad.
Sigh, I feel like I’m under attack and I took it out on you.
Apologies my friend
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u/LetThePoisonOutRobin 27d ago
No problem, I am the first to point out that attacking some random Jewish person in Montreal for all the wrong that is happening in Gaza is bullshit. However if that random Jewish person was proclaiming on some street corner that he feels all Palestinians need to die, knocking him out might not be such a bad thing. The same with Trumpers in the US and any other racist person. Until then, leave them alone...
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u/Nileghi Métro 27d ago
You shouldn't be violently assaulting zionists either, just like you shouldn't be violently assaulting palestinian nationalists.
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u/Electrical-Big-7781 27d ago
Deranged Hamas supporter
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u/Landlord2030 27d ago
Just a regular day in Canada, this unlucky guy just got on tape unlike the rest, should be out on bail soon
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u/noname987333 27d ago
Yup. Couple of canned statements about “this isn’t who we are” by some politicians. And then they will all be back to dressing up in their Hamas cosplay outfits and harassing Canadian citizens like the past 2 years. It’s exactly who we are and what we have become.
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u/Activedesign 27d ago
Well it’s kinda relevant in the context of a hate crime. Yes they would put it if he were Muslim
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u/bananas_in_pyjamas99 27d ago
Except for the little fact that there's no evidence of that being the case. They can paint it as one if that's the goal, but objectively, there is no reason to think so as per the victim.
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 27d ago
This thug literally threw the man's kippah into the fountain when he was through beating him up. Seems that this is relevant.
My guess is that he left a big long trail of hate on social media.
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u/AsexualFrehley 27d ago
maybe, or maybe if he'd been wearing a baseball cap that's what would have ended up in the fountain
we don't know anything about the motive, or if there even was one beyond violent mental imbalance, until we hear more actual facts about the incident
and reddit speculation isn't facts, no matter how insistently stated
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 25d ago
It is evidence of a hate crime though. It wasn't a baseball cap. We know that. It was a kippah, a controversial political symbol in Quebec.
The attackers movements movements were deliberate, thoughtful, and calculated. Not consistent with a disturbed mental state. They were consistent with those of someone motivated by hate though.
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u/emongu1 27d ago
Hate crime
I've never seen an assault that wasn't motivated by hate, regardless of race or religion
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 27d ago
Hate crimes are based on race, religion, sexual orientation, against minorities we in Western culture treat badly because of prejudice.
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u/Nileghi Métro 27d ago
over 70% of hate crimes in Montreal target jews, despite jews being 0.5% of the population of Canada.
source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/fr/daily-quotidien/240725/dq240725b-fra.pdf?st=I9iFZo_D
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u/chilledpepper 27d ago
That looks nothing like the guy in the video. They already posted his picture.
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u/Prestigious-butt 27d ago
Wow j’suis surpris que le suspect soit hispanophone
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u/Useful-Phase-6857 27d ago
Pt une action du mossad pour fomenter de la sympathie envers le voyou genocidaire du nom d’israel?
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u/stuffundfluff 27d ago
the one "good thing" about this entire incident
is that it was a muslim woman who recorded it, and gave it as evidence to the jewish man
we need to quell the radical fringes, so normal people can live side by side