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u/wrathborne Feb 18 '18
Hearing r/movies call YMS smug is pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.
If theres gonna be a smug off between the two, then it needs to be properly televised with a judge, jury, and 7 second delay to edit out the constant 'Reeeeeees' that each side throws at eachother.
Its a movie. He either did or didn't like it and regardless of what he thinks of it, it shouldn't matter to you if you enjoyed the film. Hes got his opinion and you got yours and if they don't match thats not a bad thing.
Watching everyone critique his critique and bitch him out for being a furry, autistic, and horsefucker is kind of irrelevant to his opinion on the film(even if he is weird.).
He's smug, your smug, I'm smug, the movies smug. We're all smug. Lets be smug together instead of against eachother.
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u/Kingmob1 Feb 18 '18
*you're #smugception
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u/wrathborne Feb 18 '18
Dont you smug me! I'll outsmug you so hard you'll think smug was a 4 letter word!
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u/0borowatabinost Feb 18 '18
I think it's hilarious how quickly this sub seems to have turned on him. They loved him when he was making fun of bad movies, but the moment he criticizes a movie they liked, they lose their shit.
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u/TGAPTrixie9095 Feb 18 '18
How DARE he have an opinion that’s different than mine. He’s a smug asshole. /s
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links to moviebob
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Seriously, fuck this sub sometimes.
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u/bloodlustshortcake Feb 19 '18
But he isn't bloody smug, he is just annoyed with this trend of celebrating mediocrity, that is so prevalent here and in a lot of film critique these days.
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u/PintoI007 Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Don't worry knowing this sub in a few months they'll turn on this film like they did wonderwoman, avengers 2 and homecoming a bit. The marvel hype will die down it'll go back to being cookie cutter with this sub calling this movie medicore (which I agree with).
Then the cycle will repeat with Infinity war.
Also the amount of strawman in this comments section is absolutely hilarious. Why is this subreddit so triggered over a negative review of a marvel movie?
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Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 17 '18
Why did he just say that the general public don't consider Best Picture winners 12 Years a Slave and Moonlight "important" films?
That's just a wrong statement.
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u/Pod-People-Person Feb 17 '18
Probably because those films aren't talked into an absurd frenzy like this one has been. And it's funny that he didn't mention Jordan Peele and Get Out or the fact that Steve McQueen has a new movie coming out this year.
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u/JaleySalami Feb 17 '18
Why even compare 12 years a slave, Moonlight and Get Out to Black Panther?
The thing about Black Panther is that it has a bigger budget then all of those movies combined, bigger marketing and is about a Superhero with a majority Black Cast OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE GOING INTO A FRENZY!
There is always a frenzy for Star Wars and MCU movies in general too.
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u/Captain_Bromine Feb 17 '18
That's what I thought all this craziness was about, that it's the first mass market high budget blockbuster superhero action film (which are the most popular movies atm) with a predominately black cast. It's not trying to be compared to 12 Years a Slave or Moonlight.
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u/Eternal_MrNobody Feb 17 '18
I listen to a podcast and the hosts are black they brought up how it’s not black suffering or about the struggle. Its seeing black people as heroes with a film that has black people in front and behind the camera.
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u/beamdriver Feb 18 '18
I'm not black, but I can imagine that shit gets old after a while.
I am a Jew and I can tell you that I have zero interest in watching any more movies about Auschwitz. I've think I've seen enough of them for my lifetime.
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u/oh_orpheus Feb 17 '18
Double Toasted?
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u/Eternal_MrNobody Feb 18 '18
Yes sir.
Korey brings it from time to time how Hollywood knows that slave movies and period pieces can make money and he’s kinda tired of seeing black suffering.
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Feb 17 '18
This is obvious to anyone who takes three seconds to consider alternate explanations. But, if your salary depends on being an internet contrarian you might miss some things that don't cohere with that end.
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Feb 17 '18
Adam isn't a good critic, like at all. He tries to pretend he's not super smug about his movie tastes but constantly demonstrates how he thinks the only people who like Marvel movies either never watch any arthouse movies, are loser fanboys or literal children. A lot of the points he makes in most review are either obvious nitpicks (which I've found in several cases to be dumb or explained by the movie) or really level-one analysis about the movie's themes. And his fans eat this shit up like candy because they can't wait to feel superior to people who liked a Disney or Marvel movie. It reminds me of that Hitchcock quote about why characters just don't go to the police, "they don't go to the police because its dull." Stop trying to outsmart every fucking movie you watch and find every flaw that shows it doesn't correlate with the real world, instead actually focus on what the movie is trying to say and fucking enjoy yourself.
Btw his criticism of Black Panther being made by a mega-corporate conglomerate making money for rich old dudes has been addressed by most critics, but as moviebob breaks down here maybe we should stop being buzzkills about people enjoying pop entertainment, especially when the subject matter in question (afro-futurism) hasn't been represented for most Americans.
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u/CerberusDriver Feb 17 '18
So Adam is smug (which I agree) but then bringing up Moviebob as an alternative?
Moviebob is a literal smug manchild.
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Feb 17 '18
I'm not huge on most Marvel movies, I don't have a desire to watch half of them again, but this guy takes smug to a next level when reviewing them. Like we get it, you're a kino connoisseur who is above the tastes of the simpleton masses. Now shut up about it.
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u/Crowquillx Feb 17 '18
Like we get it, you're a kino connoisseur who is above the tastes of the simpleton masses.
Fucking hardly though.. the only pre 90s movies the dude has seen are Jodorowsky or Kubrick.
I don't know, I love his yearly lists but I think he tries way too hard to be a smug asshole in his reviews and it's just lame as hell.
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Feb 18 '18
He’s also the type of person who thinks that animals can give consent to humans fucking them. Can’t really look up the video since I’m at work, but the guy has a lot of problems. Not even Mike or Jay are that fucking smug
Wait, like, he said it's okay to fuck animals?
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u/UsefulNobody Feb 18 '18
Thank you for linking to the original video in the description so people can see the full argument, but I do not see why you left out so much of it. I stand by my controversial opinions. I do not believe that sex with animals should be encouraged, but I am wholeheartedly against imprisoning those who have had non-abusive sexual relations with animals. To say that there is no such thing is incredibly ignorant and illogical. Objective reasoning matters more to me than emotional gut responses. I do not believe in putting innocent people in jail just because "Eww, gross.".
From the comment section of the video linked by MaelMothersbaugh
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u/imonlyaman Feb 18 '18
pretty sure he's a furry. like, very sure. *also I know this doesn't answer your question, but it may help give it context.
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u/Doomsayer189 Feb 18 '18
I wouldn't even really call those vidoes reviews, they're just making fun of bad movies. Which is funny enough, but very different than actually analyzing them critically.
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Feb 18 '18
I don't get why smug is being thrown around. He isn't smug, he's defensive. He reviews these films that he just finds vanilla and then spends 4 minutes talking about what other people perceive of these movies. "I don't like these movies but it seems everyone does" isn't being smug, and it's also a terrible baseline for review. I also really enjoy his yearly lists, which he puts a lot of time into and I feel he's nailed. But these "quickies" he does are just terrible. He's not good at being critical, unless it's for humour.
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u/davidreiss666 Feb 18 '18
For a long time I ignored the Marvel movies. I saw a few of them, but they didn't seem all that great to me. Then I decided to watch Iron Man and that seemed really good. So I then started to watch them in the order they were released and I found I was enjoying most of them. I still don't like all of them, but I didn't hate any of them. And some were excellent.
A lot of movie enjoyment depends on taste. And sometimes people don't want to see Superhero movies. And then somethings things change, and you start to like them.
I'm looking forward now to seeing both Black Panther and the second Ant Man movie.
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u/Wiffernubbin Feb 18 '18
I dont think anyone is arguing every marvel movie is fantastic/mastahpiece. But theres some rather great and good ones in there that people smugly dismiss.
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u/Zerce Feb 18 '18
And I think at this point the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. It really is just a big-budget TV series and while not every "episode" is great, some of them are, and it adds up to create a very enjoyable series.
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Feb 18 '18
I kind of feel like his "kino connoisseur" persona is a bit manufactured though. Like, he goes out of his way to put Marvel films down because he knows they don't fit his aesthetic, but a lot of his other opinions seem way less (for lack of a better word) snobbish, like Marvels just an easy target for artsy legitimacy points. Haven't watched many of his videos though.
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u/1204Sparta Feb 17 '18
Buttttt his editing is so dull and boring compared to his smug levels. At least step it up.
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Feb 17 '18
I listened to his episode of the needledrop podcast and he's a complete tool, like he genuinely doesn't know anything about film and he's insanely anal about his "rating system", I remember Anthony asked him about what makes a movie a 10 and Adam just started sounding like a robot how a 10 has to be technically flawless and not have any goofs and errors. Like he doesn't have an emotional connection to film. In my opinion a movie can be technically scrappy but I can still say it's a 10/10 if the movie absolutely nails the emotion. he sounds like he's talking about video games when he's talking about movies, like technical errors are the same as bugs are in games.
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u/ebenantar Feb 17 '18
Yes this is exactly the problem with YMS. He acts like movies exist in an emotionless vacuum or something. He never seems like he understands what a movie is about, what it's trying to say and how it tries to say it, or how it makes him feel. He obsesses over filmmakers like Haneke or Iñárritu or McQueen because they come off as perfectionists to him, but he never seems to discuss what those filmmakers try to say and how their style influences the content of their films. It feels like he has this impossibility to reconcile flaws or imperfections in films, nitpicking things that shouldn't be an issue if a film immerses you or emotionally affects you in a certain way. I'd swear he's an actual robot or something.
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Feb 18 '18
This is why I loved Ebert. He judged a film specifically on how successfully it achieved what it was setting out to achieve.
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u/JessieJ577 Feb 17 '18
He knows that movies are hard as fuck to make right? Like no matter what there will be a technical flaw.
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Feb 18 '18
I love this write up. So many of the pretentious haters I see on reddit remind me of these kinds of people. People who just want to hate and feel superior. The thing is these people are boring, you know their reaction will be the same sentiment and they are always a wet blanket about shit. I know for me I went to Black Panther expecting to find it really overrated. And while I think it is a bit over hyped in what it represents. I do think that I was surprised how well the story with the villain was done, and a lot of enjoyable moments. I was surprised and liked it, I'd rather have that feeling than the same old "I hate this and people who like this are dumb".
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u/MikeArrow Feb 17 '18
I knew a bunch of these people.
The kind that would make their film a meta narrative about a put upon screenwriter trying to create the perfect film, but being roadblocked by having to cater their art for the plebeian masses and turn it into generic populist schlock.
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Feb 17 '18
It's the le rational Youtuber approach to video games and politics, applied to movies, and I hate it.
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u/Sprayface Feb 17 '18
Well, I agree with most of what you say, but technical errors keeping a movie from being 10/10 isn’t really ridiculous. Hell, I don’t know if a 10/10 movie even exists.
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u/UKEUlovelovelove Feb 18 '18
If you see who he hangs out with at youtube cons or understand any of his politics he's a douchebag he's anti-feminist "OH LOOK AT THE CRINGE SO CRINGEY" while ignoring any rational feminist arguments and focusing on the idiot feminist videos online. He's like a teenager who never grew out of the "Le i'm smarter then you look at my logic" neckbeard phase. He's also not as rational or "professional" as he claims to be since he doesn't read any film literature or papers or at least never brings it up in his reviews and sticks to surface level analysis
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Feb 17 '18
I enjoy when he is doing a Your Movie Sucks, but his actual reviews are dog shit and there often seems to be very little in the way of rhyme or reason for how he reviews things. It seems at times he hates a movie before he sees it so then he has to take tiny minuscule things and overblow the fuck out of them.
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u/MikeArrow Feb 17 '18
Nailed it. I had to stop watching YMS because of precisely these reasons. I enjoy watching him takedown a terrible movie like After Earth, but otherwise it's just a competition to see how snarky and cynical he can get, on top of willfully misinterpreting obvious stuff.
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Feb 18 '18
Yeah, I think the bad film rant of destruction trend for reviewers all goes back to Roger Eberts destruction of Deuce Bigalow, but the people who want to recreate the vitriol of that review seem to forget that the main reason Ebert went in on it was Rob Schneider belittling another critic for giving it a negative review. There was a reason for it beyond it being a bad movie.
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Feb 18 '18
I honestly found that After Earth "takedown" to be low hanging fruit. We get it, the movie sucked. We didn't need somebody to make an hour's worth of content to get the point across.
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Feb 18 '18
While I do enjoy some of the videos him and youtubers like "Ralphthemoviemaker" make, they do hit low hanging fruit movies entirely too often. I didn't need you to make ten videos about "Cool Cat Saves The Kids" to know it was an hour long cringe fest. I subbed to their channels to hear about movies I never would have heard about and would want to see.
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Feb 18 '18
This is where I think people would be served well by looking back towards critics from traditional media avenues. Some of them produce an unreal amount of print, video, and radio/podcast content that gets totally overlooked because people are more interested in the YouTube personality-du-jour.
For example, Manohla Dargis of the New York Times has written four really detailed movie articles since the beginning of February as well as participated in a video about black actresses in the 1930s and 40s. David Edelstein of New York Magazine and NPR writes about five articles a week and normally gives at least one spoken review on Fresh Air a week. Mark Kermode does articles, videos, and a radio show all the time.
This is one downside to the internet's egalitarianism. People who just haven't done the work or don't have the experience get a loudspeaker. Yes, there are some traditional critics like Armond White who have a constant stick up their ass, but most of the people at these respected publications are where they are because they've seen an unreal amount of films from just about every country, language, and genre and can put their thoughts into words very well.
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u/BZenMojo Feb 18 '18
As much as I love Black Panther, and as much as I enjoy YMS, I have to come down against him on this one. I think he felt a 5/10 connection to the film and then just started going after Marvel for not making him feel the feelings he wants to feel about movies.
At a certain point, listening to him say "formulaic" over and over again without criticizing the film's ability to convey theme, character, or even specific issues with the plot was just... guh. These quick shots actually underserve his ability to get into why he feels a way about a thing and it seems like a waste of everyone's time.
If you want to see a real critique of a movie, go read Armand White's angry, contrarian firefest about Black Panther. I abso-fucking-lutely disagree with him, but he brings receipts, citations, and a topographical map explaining how he got to his point.
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u/_SurfAMillionCouches Feb 17 '18
hates on YMS
links to MovieBlob
Opinion, invalid.
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Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Reminder that Movieblob supports eugenics and criminal treatment of people he disagrees with politically.
Edit: One such tweet of many: https://pics.me.me/bob-chipman-follow-the-moviebob-there-are-days-when-my-7011844.png
Tweet were he implies that conservatives are sub-human: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.rs/thumb/e/ec/LIBERAL_IDIOT.jpeg/600px-LIBERAL_IDIOT.jpeg
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Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Stop trying to outsmart every fucking movie you watch
You almost had me there with your argument and then you name dropped fuckin moviebob. Whatever you think of YMS, moviebob is like that but 10x worse. This guy literally calls himself "the game overthinker" what are you talking about. He's had a decade long career of stupid nitpicking.
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u/That_Girl_You_Want Feb 17 '18
You say that Adam is a smug prick but you link moviebob when he is literally smugness incarnate lmao
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u/Crowquillx Feb 17 '18
YMS criticized the audience of Black Panther. Moviebob criticized the movie.
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u/StrangeSemiticLatin2 Feb 17 '18
Wait...Three Billboards was "eff the police"?!!!!
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Feb 17 '18
I haven't seen Three Billboards so I can't comment on the first, don't really see what is so wrong about the second one other than it being a little callous. I will say I have disagreed with Moviebob several times but still maintain that he's a good critic. No critic is perfect but at the very least moviebob actually knows what themes and subtext are and can properly explain what a movie is trying to accomplish and how effectively it does so, rather than just harp on how well it was made.
Compare Adams 2016 list with moviebob's. Adam put the Revenant at #2 because he genuinely thought the Revenant was some amazing piece of art, and look at how much effort they put into making it and bla bla bla. I think is a fun movie to watch but is super pretentious and Blue Ruin had a lot more interesting things to say about revenge than the Revenant ever did. Moviebob put it at #3 because while he recognizes that Inauritu makes "pretentious grotesquely overrated movies" and that like his other movies "the Revenant is overlong, self-absorbed and nowhere near as clever as it thinks it is" he still really enjoys it because "its also got dudes jumping off cliffs on horseback and DiCaprio damn near killing himself to win that Oscar"
Moviebob has no pretentious illusions but actually recognizes good storytelling techniques to the point that even if he enjoys something like the Revenant, he recognizes its because of his own taste and opinion and not because the movie is obviously objectively better.
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u/Geroots Feb 18 '18
I used to really like YMS, his reviews reminded me a lot of Mr. Plinkett's Star Wars reviews, but then I realized that Adam wasn't playing a character.
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u/TowerBeast Feb 17 '18
The general public aren't the ones who vote for Best Picture. Not by a long shot.
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u/Flamma_Man Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 17 '18
Honestly, that whole section was kinda silly. Not to mention that the reason people are talking about this particular movie a lot is because it, you know, can be watched by children.
I mean, when was the last black majority cast with a budget of $100M< that children could actually watch and enjoy?
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Feb 17 '18
Yeah, but that's not his demographic so why not rip the movie for doing what it set out to do?
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Feb 17 '18
Agreed. To me, he always sounds like he should be in r/iamverysmart. We get it man, you're cultured and we're philistines for liking superhero movies. I'm not sure what children's movie involves arming the African diaspora to revolt against their white oppressors but it must be the case since Adam is a prominent Youtube critic
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u/UsefulNobody Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Because he doesn't get/understand/care about the difference in types of "importance" because he only sees movies as movies and I guess considers them and the industries that make them as seperate from the rest of society and reality.
"Why are black people so excited about this movie? Why aren't they just as excited about this slave movie??" - someone totally disconnected from society at large (and I say that as someone who generally likes his reviews)
Also I love how he gets all pissy about people talking too much about the politics surrounding this movie then spends basically the entire video just talking about the politics behind this movie.
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u/dmun Feb 17 '18
He's being a nerd on the internet hoping to get views. Which is to say, "I'm not being political, I don't get it, let me make many blanket political statements to back that up."
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u/JangoAllTheWay Feb 17 '18
Compare the reaction to Moonlight to that of Blade Runner 2049, especially on Reddit
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u/Khaos3118 Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 17 '18
I know! My 'Chiron is a replicant' fan theory post went no where, but the post on how Blade Runner 2049 is an allegory for the struggles of closeted gay black men living in American ghettos took off like gangbusters!
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u/sgthombre Feb 17 '18
My 'Chiron is a replicant' fan theory post went no where
...perhaps I should give Moonlight another watch
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Feb 17 '18
When was last time Adum liked a superhero movie (talking7+/10) if ever?
I guess he would like Nolanverse and Hellboy
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Feb 17 '18
He is a fan of The Dark Knight, I want to say he gave it like a 9/10 when he reviewed that whole year of movies.
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Feb 17 '18
TDK is on his Best of list?
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Feb 17 '18
Yeah here it is Although rewatching it I guess he doesn't give scores but it says a lot to be on a best of list in the first place.
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u/stylelimited Feb 17 '18
He doesn't often review films that he likes, does he? Even so I doubt he's very much into superhero movies overall. Superhero movies are generally silly and aim at entertaining rather than to be thought-provoking. Just like with his Frozen review, he probably just wanted to review this because he's annoyed with the hype.
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u/TheSlickMachine Feb 17 '18
He doesn't often review films that he likes, does he?
He does now. He has branched out from more than just his YMS videos which is why he does the quickies.
His quickies are just reviews of any films he feels like talking about, many of them he likes a lot (he recently did one on Phantom Thread and gave it a 9/10).
His actual "YMS" videos are obviously about films he considers bad, since that's the whole point of that series, and hence the name "Your Movie Sucks".
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Feb 17 '18
Superhero movies are generally silly and aim at entertaining rather than to be thought-provoking
blasphemy!
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u/stylelimited Feb 17 '18
I get that you are joking, but it bothers me that this is actually a point of contention.
There is nothing wrong with loving watching easily digestible movies. Watching a deep and thought-provoking movie can be exhausting at times.
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u/Louie_Baby Feb 17 '18
I'm not sure the last time he really liked a comic book movie. He can be a pretty tough critic but he is consistent with his opinions about the genre
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u/BattleChimp Feb 17 '18
I know he liked V for Vendetta and Guardians of the Galaxy.
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u/JakeDoubleyoo Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Also The Dark Knight and the first Sin City.
He also says he's enjoyed every Spiderman movie, even the bad ones.
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u/TLKv3 Feb 17 '18
I'm absolutely fine with people hating or disliking MARVEL movies at this point. They are cookie cutter movies and I can't defend that.
HOWEVER for him to use "these are just made to sell toys to children! Why are people being stabbed with spears with no bursts of blood!" type reasons as criticisms is just fucking dumb. These are PG rated movies to appeal to everyone not just adults. They're designed so anyone can go into one of them and have a fun enough time to deem the movie was worth watching. They aren't trying to make abstract masterpieces. Its been almost, what, 20-25 MCU movies released thus far and that's still a thing people are pointing out as if they expect something different?
I don't know. I enjoyed the movie. I'm fine if you didn't. But don't try to use dumb as fuck logic and insanely obnoxious counter-points to nitpick the movie. If you're going to bring negatives up about the movie then point out how half the movie is about retrieving Klaue and then sidelining him with a "death". Or about how little of Killmonger & his dad are shown to promote that bond and his revenge are actually worth seeking out.
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u/mathswarrior Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 17 '18
These are PG-13 rated movies to appeal to everyone not just adults.
yes, but when you cut a throat and there's no blood, it's not going to be appealling to adults - it will probably take them out of the experience
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u/Worthyness Feb 18 '18
It's more the fact you can't show any blood like that on screen for the rating to be PG 13. It's a really stupid rating system.
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Feb 18 '18
The MPAA is really dumb with their ratings and should quite honestly get a major revamp of their current methods considering both how unneffective and how massively flawed they are. It's hilarious how they literally COUNT the number of swears on a movie by word to determine a rating. 1 "fuck" is okay but TWO "FUCK"S??? This guy's a madman!
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Feb 20 '18
I thought the shot would’ve looked better if the cut had been from behind and we saw the royal guard fall. Then it would’ve made sense that maybe we don’t see blood. And they could’ve focused on the other guard’s reactions to it as it was happening
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u/uwace Feb 17 '18
Yeah I don't wanna try to defend Adam too much for his pretension, but I would agree that throat cuts should probably either be bloody or not on the screen at all.
Lots of movies avoid gore by cutting away, or casting the fodder as some sort of non-gory alien/robot. Much better techniques that can avoid gore and breaking immersion while still including some violence.There's a whole separate discussion about what violence should or should not be shown in movies for kids, but no matter what your intended audience, showing a literal throat cut with no blood is going to be distracting for most people.
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u/Doctorboffin Feb 17 '18
I really liked the movie, but that one thing was enough to undercut that whole scene’s tension for me. Maybe I am just being a nitpick, but it really took me out of the movie.
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u/Saitoh17 Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Logan and Deadpool really changed my perspective on R-rated superhero movies. I don't think every movie should be R-rated from now on, and I know Marvel/Disney would never go for it, but I'm quite certain THIS movie would have been a better film if it was R-rated.
On the action side, sorry but after Logan a bunch of people swinging bladed weapons in PG-13 just kinda looks stupid. When the rhinos were rampaging through the last battle, it just looked so goofy there's no tension or emotional response whatsoever. It's just a slapstick routine.
On the storytelling side, I'm not asking for 12 Years a Slave or anything, but some brutality would've sold Killmonger's motivations and backstory better. Edit to clarify: Killmonger only works if you already know about the history of black people in America. Unlike Magneto where they showed a clip of kid Magneto in a concentration camp, here they chose to tell instead of show. They tell you just enough to know what Killmonger is referencing, but only if you already know what he's talking about. I can see a lot of Asians being confused.
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u/Duzcek Feb 18 '18
That's literally what I was discussing with my friends immediately after watching it. This movie easily could have been R. For a movie with such a message and some of the scenes being particularly violent, the lack of swears and blood were actually jarring. Add onto the fact that they couldn't use pretty much any of the songs off their own soundtrack because of profanity is annoying.
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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18
These movies are also not rated PG, but PG-13. That means it's not meant for kids, but teenagers and up.
If this movie were explicitly a children's movie, and people were talking about it as such, he wouldn't complain about lack of blood. But because this is being heralded as this "important" "masterpiece" for adults, he's right to complain.
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u/GhostRobot55 Feb 18 '18
The Dark Knight comes to mind for graphic violence that didn't really have a lot of blood.
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Feb 17 '18
No, he was absolutely right about the throat cut and "phony" violence. This type of thing won't be appealing to an adult and will be strange for children. It also sorta sends the wrong message that violence has no consequences if you really want to get into the whole psychological aspect of this type of pop-corn, bloodless violence permeating a lot of action movies nowadays.
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u/Khaos3118 Feb 17 '18
Adum is really obsessed with perfecting what his personal view on every movie ever made is on a spectrum of 0 to 10. Everything then to him needs to be compared to Michael Haneke movies and anything that Charlie Kaufman is involved in. So 'mainstream' or anything 'for kids' needs to be on the same spectrum with art house or Foreign language films or documentaries.
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u/gaspingFish Feb 18 '18
I've had the displeasure of seeing videos of actual throat cuts and bullet wounds. While they are bloody, they can be surprisingly far less bloody than people realize. Seen a bullet wound hole with no blood whatsoever on Cops. Hollywood has tainted our perception of blood that people don't even know what is realistic anymore.
So while it's not realistic to never see blood in a violent film, the same people who criticize this fact I hope are the same people who criticize pools of blood in most action films.
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u/Chabranigdo Feb 18 '18
Why are people being stabbed with spears with no bursts of blood!" type reasons as criticisms is just fucking dumb.
I disagree. Bloodless action is fine for Spiderman or the Hulk, or Captain America, or Batman. Not so fine when the sharp object A is being inserted in squishy fleshbag B. It just gets silly at that point and takes you out of the movie. Well, takes me out of the movie at least. Maybe I'm the crazy one.
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u/alstor Feb 17 '18
It honestly feels like Adam straight-up invented criticisms of this movie and the hype around it to fit the narrative that all Marvel movies are equally junk. Him calling the movie apolitical when the villain's motivation is quite literally bringing about black liberation through violent means and colonialism and the theme of the movie being the balance of keeping African heritage and adapting to a modern world is complete bullshit. The whole thing with "12 Years a Slave" and "Moonlight" that /u/sudevsen brought up is just the icing on the cake.
I want to believe that Adam just saw the movie in a different way than I did, but knowing how smug he can get over his opinions and reviews, that's probably not the case.
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u/k0mbine Feb 18 '18
Just watch his let’s play of Uncharted 4 to see how he actively tries to find flaws in things he’s already made his mind up about. He doesn’t review things, he already has preconceived notions about things, and merely lays out points that support said notions.
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surprised he doesn't like it since he's a furry.
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u/throwawaymexzac Feb 17 '18
Wait, what?
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u/MilkHS Feb 18 '18
Please do find it, because I don't believe you
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u/-DickatAccounting- Feb 18 '18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1nnNz_Tewk
im not gonna link to his reddit name but you can him defending blowing dogs and horses like 2 months ago.
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u/gaspingFish Feb 18 '18
Oh god, he even defends it in the youtube comments. WTF, never get into arguments in the youtube comments.
Oh yeah, and dont suck off dogs. That's fucked up.
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u/jkbpttrsn Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
And the ones on his subreddit has all his fans defending him and attacking anyone who says it's fucked up. Hilarious.
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u/mikesicle Feb 18 '18
Not really. I like his videos but I had a long 20 or so comment conversation about how his ideas of animal consent are fucking insane and disgusting. I still think he makes some great content but it really turned me off him as a person. He lost a lot of fans on his subreddit that day.
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u/lordDEMAXUS Feb 18 '18
Except this is what he says:
The reason I'm arguing for zoophiles isn't because I think it's important for people to be able to fuck animals. I'm only arguing on behalf of them because the current laws are inconsistent with our existing set of laws and morals regarding animal welfare. I'm just asking for some goddamned consistency. That's it. Right now we throw people in jail just because the animal's semen went into their mouth instead of a sleeve to be collected for breeding. Chris Pontius even drank the horse's semen after they jerked it off in Jackass 2, but it's apparently okay because they did it for comedic effect I guess? If you're seriously going to say with a straight face that bestiality should be criminalized for the sake of the animal's well-being, then you need to stop being such a hypocrite and start using those exact same standards when regarding the meat industry, the fur industry, the leather industry, farmers, and selective breeders. If a woman belongs in jail because a she let her dog hump her vag, then Tom Green and every sperm-collecting farmer in America also belongs in jail. Are you seriously going to even pretend like the animal can tell the difference? Grow up, dude. Either both are okay, or neither are okay. I've been vegetarian for a year before and I'll gladly go back if society decides to start applying their "I actually care about animal's consent now" moral crusade with equal consistency against the meat industry. I can 100% guarantee you that society is not willing to do the same thing. People are fucking hypocrites. We have 2 standards for how we're willing to treat people and who we're willing to incarcerate. The only difference between them is their sexuality. That's not okay. That is my argument.
He is only saying that people are hypocritical about this. He is not defending sucking off dogs.
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u/IndyRevolution Feb 18 '18
I like how if you scroll down far enough, you can see people saying "Oh, all these haters judging him with their gut reactions instead of putting thought into it"
I DON'T NEED TO PUT THOUGHT INTO IT. FUCKING A LITERAL ANIMAL IS DISGUSTING AND WRONG AND NO ONE SANE WOULD PUT ANY MORE THOUGHT INTO IT PAST THAT POINT. IF YOU DEFEND IT, YOU ARE A DEGENERATE PERSON OR ARE MENTALLY ILL. FUCK OFF.
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u/catdeuce Feb 18 '18
Oh cool, I don't have to give his opinions on anything any weight ever again.
Thanks!
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u/KeepScrollingReviews Feb 18 '18
What if you need ratings on dog dicks? He is probably your go to guy.
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Feb 18 '18
The movie was just mediocre. I've seen some people calling it the best marvel movie to date and I just can't wrap my head around it. The pacing was off, the villain was unimpressive, and the cgi was flat out embarrassing at times. I absolutely didn't hate it but it's definitely the only marvel movie I don't think I'll ever bother rewatching.
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u/sockpuppy69 Feb 18 '18
What did the movie do right that stops those 3 things from making it a terrible movie. Also pacing is a weird thing to pick on since it's very much non objective if you're bored you're bored if you're enthralled you're enthralled biases play a lot into it's final outcome however I agree some movies are blatantly terrible at it so can you provide some non-spoiler examples of that?
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u/LevynX Feb 18 '18
Marvel makes everything adequate. Everything is just on par. It stops people from hating them, but there's no real chance for a movie to be amazing too.
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Feb 18 '18
I'm not quite sure how to describe it without spoilers because a lot of it has to do with the climax. All I can really say without straight up giving it all away is that it feels like the whole plot of the movie happens within the last 30 minutes or so. Like the entire movie up to that point was a drag without anything really worth talking about happening and then suddenly the main conflict begins and is resolved in what feels like a 10 minute span. I agree that it's mostly subjective and this is the first time I can remember calling out a marvel movie for it but it just felt so blatantly awkward in this film.
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u/Infamaniac23 Feb 18 '18
I like Adam Cus I usually get great recommendations from him. His best of the year lists highlight indie films that don’t get enough attention. However his reviews for a lot of the more popular blockbusters come off as incredibly pretentious and smug. Like it’s ok if you don’t like the movie but you can deliver that opinion in a way that doesn’t sound like you’re better than the people who enjoyed it. Like he just comes off like such a prick in these reviews
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u/GoldPisseR Feb 17 '18
The movie was fine enough, but I can't get over how cheap and dated it looked.
And if it had gotten decent 7/10 reviews I'd not even bother but I am flummoxed how critics think this is the best superhero movie ever.
Its 6 points higher than TDK on Metacritic ffs. Thats Oscar level acclaim. Lets assume they believe the content to be that great, shouldn't the mediocre visuals bring the ratings down a bit?
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u/Morningsun92 Feb 18 '18
The final fight is straight from Spider-Man 3
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u/backinredd Feb 18 '18
Spider man 3 definitely had better cgi Also you’re banned from r/raimimemes
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u/LevynX Feb 18 '18
Its 6 points higher than TDK on Metacritic ffs. Thats Oscar level acclaim.
And that's the point of most people critical of this movie, it's not bad, but better rated than The Dark Knight? Best Marvel movie of all time? Fuck off this movie isn't even close.
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u/ThermodynamicSwine Feb 18 '18
They are afraid to criticize it because 95% of the actors in it are black
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Feb 17 '18
The response to this movie and The Last Jedi has really changed my opinions of critics. I don't know if the bar is just lowered now but it seems like every new Disney blockbuster gets critical acclaim and all their flaws get overlooked.
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u/radicalelation Feb 17 '18
There's definitely a Disneyfication happening to Hollywood and blockbusters in general, and it's affecting critics which is really unfortunate and concerning. I don't know if they're genuinely eating this stuff up, or worried about painting The Mouse in a bad light which could have consequences, but it's disturbing either way.
But considering some other incredibly mediocre and safe, neutral, or otherwise inoffensive films are also being lauded... maybe it's just where we're headed... which sucks.
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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18
I'm glad Adam mentioned how ugly and fake this movie looks.
When the trailer dropped, everyone was fawning over how "gorgeous" the cinematography was, and I had wondered if we were looking at the same movie. All the Marvel movies have cheap, ugly looking digital cinematography and are green screened to hell and back. The whole thing looks like an extended videogame cutscene.
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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18
That's true, and it was also way back in the day when they actually shot these films... on film. There is a huge difference visually between Iron Man and Iron Man 3.
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u/ClarkZuckerberg Feb 17 '18
Well that’s just it. You gave the exact reason why it’s some of the better CGI. It didn’t have very much compared to Black Panther. Black Panther’s final battle and the entire city is all CGI.
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Feb 17 '18
The movie having bad CG has been brought up by most critics especially the train fight. It's not like he's saying something radically bold here with regards to that.
If he said "the villain sucked" then that would be something that's not the common opinion
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u/stylelimited Feb 17 '18
Okay, but why is it a problem that his opinion mirrors what other critics say?
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Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 17 '18
Cause the previous comment makes it sound like Adam is saying something radically bold when he says it has bad and overused CG. Even the biggest fans of the movie has said that in the reviews. It's a pretty standard criticism by now to this movie and MCU in general
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Feb 17 '18
I don't understand how movies are getting so expensive in terms of budget, but are still so ugly. It seems that the more money that gets thrown at a movie now, the uglier you can expect the cgi to be.
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u/ilive12 Feb 18 '18
A lot of the budget is just going to the actors, RDJ made 40 Million alone in Civil War, in a film full of big budget stars who were almost all making multi-millions. Big budgeted movies also, to some extent, have to appeal to the lowest common denominator and can't take risks even with an expensive cinematographer. Big budgeted movies like Blade Runner 2049 that do take risks often don't get a return on that investment.
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u/Avar1cious Feb 17 '18
There's so much butthurt over this review lol. He's just pointing out the obvious.....that this movie isn't that special; it's not BAD, but it's nowhere near the "universal acclaim" on RT and metacritic.
This kind of false hype is really fucking annoying; I went into the movie with these enormous expectations and was left pretty disappointed.
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u/mrv3 Feb 18 '18
If redlettermedia does a review I guarantee /r/movies will flip and call it average.
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Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
I love Adams videos about shity movies but he's really hard to pin down what feature length movies he'll like since he can be kinda smug. I like most movies or at least aspects about them I can appreciate. 12 years a Slave and Synecdoche, New York are beautifully made films, I am never going to watch them again.
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u/ralo229 Feb 18 '18
Adam dislikes a universally hated movie: "Yeah, man. This movie sucks! My opinion has been extra validated."
Adam dislikes a universally loved movie: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
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u/muddynips Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
It’s amazing to me how the Marvel movies are based almost entirely around the concept of solving problems with violence, while completely misrepresenting violence.
Throats don’t bleed, chests don’t bleed, stomachs don’t bleed. Sometimes noses bleed, but only as a pretense to escalate tension. Explosions don’t blow limbs off, they just knock people around. Bullets kill instantly, unless a monologue is scripted. Contusions heal immediately, characters recover in an hour or so. Concussions don’t exist. Etc...
We have action-based tension that can’t be earnestly resolved because superhero action is too far removed from reality to be relateable.
Edit: I think a few of y'all are missing my point. It's not JUST that the action isn't realistic. It's that the unrealistic action is taking place within a movie universe that is simultaneously claiming that the action is real and is central to the film. We either take the violence seriously and it has stakes, or we don't and it doesn't.
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u/Maple_Syrup_Mogul Feb 17 '18
This has been 90% of action movies since the genre began. Any PG-13 movie is going to be like this.
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Feb 17 '18
We have action-based tension that can’t be earnestly resolved because superhero action is too far removed from reality to be relateable.
Wow. I think you articulated the feeling I've always had about these movies. To me the action was always a boring back and forth. I never really put my finger on why but now that you say it - since they're superheroes it's really just all gratuitous and arbitrary as to what hurts them. Nothing really matters they can get hit a million times with a sledgehammer and it just doesn't phase them. So it becomes this boring waiting game, particularly because you know how it will play out in the end.
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u/dmun Feb 17 '18
Of course, if this movie didn't make any money the same voices in this thread would be saying, "See? Black leads just don't sell movies. It makes sense not to make more."
The other thread is saying things like "wait until it releases in China" as if that's proof-positive that black skin equals zero sales (unless you're Will Smith twenty years ago)
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u/DoubleSteve Feb 18 '18
It isn't that China will have no interest in black actors and movies, it's that there are certain stereotypes such actors and movies have to fit or they're unlikely to be popular. With a by the numbers Marvel movie like this, I'm not sure what their reaction will be. It could easily fare like just another Marvel movie in the box office, but I wouldn't be surprised by a deviation either.
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u/SsurebreC Feb 17 '18
For those of us who watched other Marvel movies - does this movie do anything but more of the same? Any growth of any kind or are we all in agreement that these movies are going to be the same ole formula with a creeping amount of humor to break up any dramatic scenes?
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u/mattXIX Feb 17 '18
This movie had very little humor compared to other Marvel movies. One or two jokes and maybe one or two wisecracks.
If you’re worried that it’s like Thor where every serious scene is undercut by a joke, then don’t worry.
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u/Bamres Feb 18 '18
Yeah that really pissed me off about Ragnarok even though I enjoyed it, I'm glad that they placed the jokes in better spots in this movie to not ruin the tone of scenes
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u/kacperp Feb 18 '18
You do understand that Thor was an action comedy? It didnt undercut the tone of the movie. It was the tone of the movie
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Feb 17 '18
It's the same basic plot setup and story beats but I thought there was enough interesting stuff layered on top of that to make it enjoyable.
The humour is much lower compared to something like Thor 3, still jokes every now and then but not distracting. The serious moments are allowed breathing room.
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u/LRedditor15 Feb 17 '18
There is a lot of focus on the villain (which is good because the Marvel villains are usually lacking). There are some political undertones and interesting themes. It's definitely less "cookie-cutter" than other Marvel films, IMO.
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u/Snark88 Feb 17 '18
10-20 years ago, nobody cared that Blade was a black man. Even when Catwoman came out, you had a black female lead. Again, nobody was making a fuss. Granted Catwoman was awful, but before it came out, most people didn't know that.
So what changed?
It feels like in the past few years, all the political and racial kerfuffle, has felt artificially created by the mass media and social media. That's not to say real racism doesn't exist in this country. It absolutely does. But one cannot deny it wasn't like this in the 90s and 2000s. The most insane thing I saw was one woman on twitter asking people when she can go see this movie, because she didn't want to suck the black joy out of the theater with her whiteness. And I also saw some news articles talking about what a travesty it is that Black Panther no longer has a 100% on RT. One article even mentioning the first bad review it got, was a result of Trump's America.
Wtf? It's just a superhero movie! 12 Years a Slave doesn't even have a 100%. Glory doesn't have a 100%. But a few bad reviews come out for Black Panther and it's a result of racism? How bout they're just entitled to their opinion and thought it was genuinely a mediocre film?
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u/XavierSmart Feb 17 '18
For starters, the fact that you have to reach to 10-20 years ago to name a black superhero movie really says everything. Social media was not around then either, so you basing social media sentiments on media sentiments from twenty years ago is also foolish. Whether you want to believe it or not, studios have stated that movies with black leads will not sell great, and that is why you have to reach to 20 years ago to name a superhero movie with a black person starring. I have no idea why they believe that. You might want to ask them, but that is still a sentiment that is amongst some of them whether you agree with it or not. That is why people express excitement for Black Panther. What about that is incomprehensible?
Also, Blade is not a tentpole or a movie that families can see. The movie is R-rated and has an average budget. Black Panther is a $200,000,000 superhero movie that families are able to see. Your parents might have allowed you to see Blade; however, most are not going to allow their young ones to see that. There has never been a superhero movie with black leads on the scale of Black Panther. People who bring up Blade as way to attempt to counteract people's excitement for Black Panther are either obtuse or resentful and attempting to equivocate.
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You're picking extreme examples and wondering "what is up with people" as if it's the norm. It's not.
Let this movie be important to people without pretending that the majority opinion is "what a travesty that this movie is no longer 100%!!""
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u/sgthombre Feb 17 '18
10-20 years ago, nobody cared that Blade was a black man. Even when Catwoman came out, you had a black female lead.
The difference of course being that Blade was an obscure character and an R rated action film that then had a more limited audience and Catwoman was a huge pile of shit.
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Feb 18 '18
You could argue that Black Panther was a bit obscure, at least he was a few years ago.
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u/fanboy_killer Feb 18 '18
The difference of course being that Blade was an obscure character and an R rated action film that then had a more limited audience
Until Civil War, Black Panther was way more obscure than Blade! "90s kids" will remember Blade from the Spider-Man TV show but Black Panther? Never heard of him until Captain America 3. And saying that the Blade trilogy had a more limited audience is simply ignorant. It was a trilogy that made A LOT of money back then ffs. Arguably the first superhero franchise to have a major audience.
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Feb 18 '18
Blade was an obscure character
Blade was way less obscure than Black Panther.
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u/OverlyCasualVillain Feb 18 '18
Think on what you said. Blade came out 20 years ago, and it was an R rated movie so that excluded many people from seeing it. When you account for that, this is the first movie of its kind that a huge portion of the population is seeing. When you’re trying to find comparable movies and have to go back as far as blade, that alone should tell you something.
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Feb 17 '18
I think the film as a whole was a beautiful endeavor Andy Serkis was great, Micheal B Jordan was awesome, as were many of the other actors, actually I have nothing to say but great things about all the actors.
The scenes in the after-life were great to look at and experience - it showed a careful respect and care to the character and their family and all that.
What I didn't like is that the special effects budget seemed to run out at some-point and needed a TON more polish - or just less of it to appear less green-screened.
The Art Direction was fantastic! The technical aspect was disappointing. It seems like half-way through the film, they heavily censored or changed it to be family friendly. At the beginning we have Micheal B Jordan and Andy Serkis being stone-cold killers, with some serious 'Snatch' vibes coming off of Andy Serkis, with his reckless violence. Then some things happened which I think sucks, because some characters were under utilized and just fantastic and had lots more to offer in terms of their comic-book stories.
Also Black Panther just looked and seemed to be more powerful in Civil War than this movie - he was like the most mature and adult character in Civil War among everyone who was feuding - which I loved. This one he was still cool in that regards but not as much, but the look and feel of his suit was - well they relied on CG far too much, and in Civil War it looked more real.
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Feb 17 '18
christ this guy's voice makes me cringe. deadpan doesn't mean you're only allowed to speak in monotone
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u/mildoptimism Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
I'm not a big fan of YMS. I don't like how he passive aggressively insults people who disagree with him because they aren't intelligent enough to appreciate the higher art that he does.
I recently listened to his podcast with ralphthemoviemaker and IHE (who I like), but I could have done without him. I noticed he seemed to take it personally when people said something he didn't agree with and started trying to play offense, mainly with IHE. At one point he jokingly says that his fanbase is more intelligent than IHE's, but then he brings up how IHE didn't even defend himself because he apparently knows it's true, which I thought was a bit condescending, even if it wasn't supposed to come off that way.
They have this segment where they all agree on a movie that they'll watch and talk about in the next episode. He randomly transitions to the segment himself and throws in his recommendation before anyone else can get in a word. Not only that, but it's some random Japanese movie from '77 called House, but he doesn't just say House. He unironically puts on a thick Japanese accent and tries to pronounce it in its original language, as Hausu, because well, he's a bit of auteur. I'm overanalyzing this, but it's the little things that bother me.
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u/yiyopuga Feb 18 '18
just want to say about the house/hausu thing, most horror fans i know pronounce it that way too. i think it helps distinguish it from the 86 horror movie with the same name, but thats probably not why he does it, just wanted to point out its not uncommon.
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u/toppmama Feb 18 '18
HOuse is an amazing film that you should watch, it isn't a random film, it really is one of a kind, i highly suggest you watch it, if you're into absurd horror/comedy flicks.
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u/Brandon_Me Feb 18 '18
So being that it's a podcast and not just 3 guys talking, it's pretty safe to assume that it was planned ahead of time who would be recommending a movie first so they could start a rotation without discussing it mid pod cast.
Also the movie is called "Hausu" by most who watch it.
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u/Pod-People-Person Feb 17 '18
I genuinely want to see Adam be put in the same room with guys like the Double Toasted crew on this movie and watch the fireworks fly.