r/movies Feb 17 '18

YMS - Black Panther

https://youtu.be/urBtAEObqoQ
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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18

I'm glad Adam mentioned how ugly and fake this movie looks.

When the trailer dropped, everyone was fawning over how "gorgeous" the cinematography was, and I had wondered if we were looking at the same movie. All the Marvel movies have cheap, ugly looking digital cinematography and are green screened to hell and back. The whole thing looks like an extended videogame cutscene.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Apr 27 '19

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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18

That's true, and it was also way back in the day when they actually shot these films... on film. There is a huge difference visually between Iron Man and Iron Man 3.

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u/ClarkZuckerberg Feb 17 '18

Well that’s just it. You gave the exact reason why it’s some of the better CGI. It didn’t have very much compared to Black Panther. Black Panther’s final battle and the entire city is all CGI.

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u/GoldPisseR Feb 17 '18

IM1 is still my fav MCU movie.

Ever since Disney takeover they have started feeling like factory churned products.

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u/DancingDumpling Feb 17 '18

I disagree, I rewatched it the other week and I remember thinking that Jeff Bridges suit looked a bit off

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u/Turok1134 Feb 17 '18

The Mark 1 suit also looks pretty wonky at times.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

It was also shot on film so it will stand out from the rest which are mostly digital shot.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

The movie having bad CG has been brought up by most critics especially the train fight. It's not like he's saying something radically bold here with regards to that.

If he said "the villain sucked" then that would be something that's not the common opinion

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u/stylelimited Feb 17 '18

Okay, but why is it a problem that his opinion mirrors what other critics say?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18 edited Feb 17 '18

Cause the previous comment makes it sound like Adam is saying something radically bold when he says it has bad and overused CG. Even the biggest fans of the movie has said that in the reviews. It's a pretty standard criticism by now to this movie and MCU in general

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u/LevynX Feb 18 '18

I mean, the movie wasn't great either. I don't know if it's the writing or the acting, but the villain never seemed like this sympathetic deep character people are calling him. He's better than most Marvel villains but that's a low fucking bar. I'd have to rewatch the movie to properly put my finger on it, but I remember not caring if the hero defeats the villain or not.

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u/GoldPisseR Feb 17 '18

Bad CGI is a deal breaker for me, kills the immersion.

Apparently its not bothering the general audience at all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

They are used to it by now, same with weak villains thought I here this movie doesn't have that problem

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u/Madmagican- Feb 17 '18

Blank Panther's villain is certainly more fleshed out than most recent Marvel villains

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u/MikeObamasHugeCock Feb 18 '18

Hating a film due to its terrible CGI, acting and plot is now racist according to the left

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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18

It's not just "bad cg", it's that the whole look of all these movies is crap. Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War, etc... all look like TV shows. Even in scenes with no cg, the image is flat and murky.

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u/Pod-People-Person Feb 17 '18

Guardians 2 looked pretty as hell, tho.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

And that’s it, really.

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u/Cn_mets Feb 17 '18

That movie looked like a video game

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u/PhoOhThree Feb 17 '18

And that's bad because? Have you seen the quality and the graphics of the new video games?

For example Battlefront II is beautiful.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

Its bad because its cinema not a video game.

This is not Spy Kids 3D and shouldnt look like a video game

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u/pitterpattern Feb 17 '18

Yea, so like the first clip here looks dimly lit. Everything is lit in a neutral, flat, boring way. If you squint your eyes, all the characters and backgrounds blend together in a muddy haze.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

The villain's writing was excellent but Michael B. Jordan's acting was awful. Too over the top, borderline cartoony. Almost reminded me of Wesley Snipes in Demolition Man.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

Almost reminded me of Wesley Snipes in Demolition Man

I don't see any problem with this

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u/MrBubbles773 Feb 17 '18

I agree, Killmonger is arguably one of the best written villains in the mcu. However I feel Michael B. Jordan hammed it up way too much. I truly feel it would have been better suited if he was more stoic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '18

I don't understand how movies are getting so expensive in terms of budget, but are still so ugly. It seems that the more money that gets thrown at a movie now, the uglier you can expect the cgi to be.

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u/ilive12 Feb 18 '18

A lot of the budget is just going to the actors, RDJ made 40 Million alone in Civil War, in a film full of big budget stars who were almost all making multi-millions. Big budgeted movies also, to some extent, have to appeal to the lowest common denominator and can't take risks even with an expensive cinematographer. Big budgeted movies like Blade Runner 2049 that do take risks often don't get a return on that investment.

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u/3o3o2osjamqm23 Feb 18 '18

But rdj isn't in this movie. There's lots of movies he isn't in with big budgets that don't have actors that are paid 40mil individually

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u/GoldPisseR Feb 18 '18

It depends on the studio or the director.

Blade Runner 2049's CGI was seamlessly brilliant.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '18

It was. A rare exception I'd say though.

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u/LRedditor15 Feb 17 '18

cough Justice League cough

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u/backinredd Feb 18 '18

Are you okay? You’re coughing a lot.

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u/kekekefear Feb 18 '18

People now praising how georgeus Ready Player One looks and i'm just buffled because for me everything i saw from movie VR-chat or game or whatever this is is just poor mess that's very ugly.

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u/ImMufasa Feb 18 '18

Looks like Star Wars Rebels.

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u/MikeArrow Feb 17 '18

I thought it was gorgeously shot. Academy award nominee Rachel Morrison did an excellent job.

Now that's not to say there aren't action scenes that are heavily CG'ed, because there are. But I don't think that invalidates the creative choices found throughout the rest of the movie.

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u/MikeArrow Feb 18 '18

Bad taste? Because of a subjective opinion that you happen to disagree with?

What the fuck are you on about mate.

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u/Turok1134 Feb 17 '18

Some shots did look better than the typical Marvel fare.

It was a visually inconsistent movie, though.

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u/TheTrueRory Feb 18 '18

I thought it looked fantastic.

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u/SindreGud Feb 17 '18

Most of it looked fine in 2D, but in 3D it was almost unwatchable bad.