r/negotiation • u/corenellius • 29d ago

Negotiation practice?

I have an upcoming call with my manager soon to talk about my performance. I want to negotiate a fair salary. How should I go about practicing this?

Anyone found any good ways?

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u/Abject_Coffee57 29d ago

I’ve used this several times. It’s good for practice. Though, it’s a little too easy to out maneuver. It also will only for 5ish rounds before it ends.

However, it’s a great way to get your feet wet or simulate a specific scenario.

https://chatgpt.com/ ChatGPT - Negotiation Simulation Tutor

It’s from the substack One Useful Thing by Ethan Mollick

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u/Cool_And_The 28d ago

Hey u/Abject_Coffee57 !

I have found 4 other ChatGPT negotiation bots, but not that one!

Is this the wrong one? - https://chatgpt.com/g/g-zfnQfjIBL-negotiation-simulation-tutor

And searching for that I found yet another one - https://chatgpt.com/g/g-TTTAK9GuS-the-negotiator - it seems to be a solid use case for ChatGPT.

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u/Known-Explanation-24 29d ago

Yes chat gpt talk to it - i don’t pay premium but prompt it to role play with you

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u/Cool_And_The 28d ago

This is one to practice Chris Voss style - https://chatgpt.com/g/g-6768228f95bc819185f86870b5739f47-vosstradamus

And (unfortunately this is too late for your situation here), Chris has a program exactly for this starting next month - https://www.blackswanltd.com/black-swan-salary-accelerator

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u/FroyoFearless7286 16d ago

except your boss has likely heard of Chris Voss' tricks, so you'd risk your boss thinking you think they're an idiot and/or you're trying to manipulate them... (coming from a person who's hired / managed 100+ people and gotten promoted by every boss at multiple employers)

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u/Cool_And_The 16d ago

Sounds like using Chris Voss tricks is a not just a waste of time but actually dangerous?

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u/FroyoFearless7286 16d ago

"Sounds like" is one of his manipulation tricks, it's called "labeling". Well, not actually Voss', the FBIs. Chris learned, as I understand it, from Jim Camp, Chris' boss. Very little of what Chris teaches is what you could call "self-developed", it's almost all someone else's material.

But yes, that's an example of a manipulation tactic that adds risk/danger. No reason to do that when there are many other process - that can actually enhance the relationship (vs damage it).

It "sounds like" you know a lot about the topic. How many salary negotiations are government employees (like FBI agents) involved with? How many examples of successful salary negotiations does Chris have to show proof of success?

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u/Cool_And_The 16d ago

Okay - I'll bite :)

I'm ready to know more about these "many other processes"...

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u/FroyoFearless7286 16d ago

Trading concessions would probably be the most effective. Low value to one side can be high value to the other! Offer to take on a <additional> project the manager finds valuable in exchange for delivering results and a raise.

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u/Cool_And_The 16d ago

So these other process aren't a book or a course or something like that. Got it.

How am I supposed to find out what the manager values so highly that it's worth a raise?

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u/FroyoFearless7286 16d ago edited 16d ago

Incorrect, it/they are taught by several people/companies that focus on business negotiations. (and that's called a "no oriented question/statement" btw 🤣)

You simply ask - "hey, I'd like a raise, what project / responsibility can I take on that would get me there?"

QED, it's not rocket science.

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u/Cool_And_The 15d ago

Not rocket science indeed. Not even sure it's "negotiation" :)

Stupid question.

Am I simplifying it too much to call that merely "Assertiveness Training 101"?

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u/FroyoFearless7286 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's absolutely a negotiation (give and take, both sides happy, better relationship), it's just not manipulation (all take)... And that's ("stupid question") an accusation audit and another no orientated question. Manipulation... Assertive people just ask. Truly assertive people can take it 🤣

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u/Cool_And_The 16d ago

Sounds like using Chris Voss tricks is a not just a waste of time but actually dangerous?

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u/FroyoFearless7286 16d ago

"Sounds like" is one of his manipulation tricks, it's called "labeling". Well, not actually Voss', the FBIs. Chris learned, as I understand it, from Jim Camp, Chris' boss. Very little of what Chris teaches is what you could call "self-developed", it's almost all someone else's material.

But yes, that's an example of a manipulation tactic that adds risk/danger. No reason to do that when there are many other process - that can actually enhance the relationship (vs damage it).

It "sounds like" you know a lot about the topic. How many salary negotiations are government employees (like FBI agents) involved with? How many examples of successful salary negotiations does Chris have to show proof of success?

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u/_rizzolve_ 28d ago

Check this out - https://www.cueme.xyz/ This tool allows you practice difficult conversations like salary negotiations and gives you real time tips and instant feedback. Helped me a lot when i was preparing for my call.