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[u/AnotherDarnDay]

What the hell did I just watch? And what the hell was this person thinking?

I'm in shock that someone would do such a thing to their own child. And that she doesn't seem to have any focus on what she actually did.

The daughter didn't seem to grasp what her mother did when they told her but the father acted on it right away.

Was she totally jealous of her own daughter?

[u/Party_Blueberry_3568]

When the police told Lauryn that it was all her mother’s doing, 3 things were surprising: first, the daughter showed no reaction at all and second, she hugged her as if trying to act like someone else was responsible and to protect her. and last, she has the nerve to show her face and say all those bs in this documentary

[u/mafaldajunior → u/Party_Blueberry_3568]

She was just in shock

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/mafaldajunior]

Her "shocked" face looks like her happy face. Also her sad face, mad face and confused face.

[u/mafaldajunior → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Sure, go ahead and make fun of the abuse victim for not emoting enough for you during the worst moment of her life.

[u/Grrannt → u/mafaldajunior]

I mean, it wasn't just in that moment. Even in the interviews with Lauryn from years after this happened it's still basically the same reaction

[u/CaptainCatButt → u/Grrannt]

In the grand scheme of things, this didn't happen that long ago. Has Lauryen been in therapy? What does her support system look like? Is she ostracized at school? Do people around her talk about it or is it taboo?

There are many people who have highly abusive parents that they are still very heavily enmeshed with, even after acknowledging that they have been harmful to them. Manipulation, abuse and how you choose to sort those feelings are incredibly complicated - moreso for a child and even moreso for a child dealing with family. It is sad to hear her saying she can't wait to be with her mom again, but it also makes a lot of sense, emotionally speaking 

[u/mafaldajunior → u/CaptainCatButt]

This. It's weird how some people don't get that. Such lack of empathy and emotional intelligence.

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/mafaldajunior]

I personally think Lauryn was in on it (to a degree anyway).

[u/iatethecheesestick → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Even if she was (which there is no evidence for), she would have been 13 years old when her mother would have started manipulating her. She is a victim in this no matter what. I hope you're a child yourself, and not an adult feeling comfortable victim blaming a teenager like this.

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/iatethecheesestick]

She is a victim. She also likely started it. Both can be true.

From another thread:

"Lauren started  this with her moms help. She wanted cast shade on chloe and to keep a lock on owen (and her mom went along to protect her friendship with owens mom and to show her how not to get caught) because of insecurity over owen and chloe who was actively isolating her from social things. Owen was going to Khloes Halloween party even though lauryn wasnt invited-- a party that's described as.. ' all the kids and all the parents are going'. Just not lauryn. This probably also angered laurens mom as well which may have given her justification in her mind that chloe deserved some blame. They thought it was innocent fun. After all is it a crime to text yourself? When lauren got reassurance from Owen around Halloween she stopped texting herself post party. 10 months later thats when i think her mom took over completely. Probably owens wandering eye for Chloe or that other girl made her mom, who comes off as the  'pretty girls protective ugly best friend', start up again. 

People are saying how how can a mom do this to her daughter. The answer is..she didnt. That's why they really comforted each other when dad was getting angry over the Ferris job. Lauryn knew they werent real messages. The problem for her could have been not knowing how to get out of it once the cops were called.. trying to protect her mom who likely told Lauryn all her problems with Ferris. The mother is completely immeshed with Lauren.no boundaries what so ever. Thats why she was okay with the sex talk. Something for two besties to giggle about while they are sending it.

Look at the body cam footage.

Lauryn, who is suppose to have no idea who has essentially ruined her life and drove her to being suicidal, has ZERO reaction when told  mother her did all of this. None what so ever. No anger, no disbelieve, no tears over what she lost, nothing.  She looks like someone just told he that her mom shop lifted at Sephora. She is not in shock.. Because she knew all about it-- because they both were shoplifting in Sephora..and she realized her mom was gonna take the fall.   I mean her mom literally says...i didnt start it...i just finished it. And the cop glossed that over. Hes not stupid..he understands what that means given the evidence they are letting the mom take the fall.

And the dad was confused and angry...and stormed into the house to confront her ...ABOUT FERRIS... Not his daughter. He accepted that no problem. He probably  knew she was behind the texts. It was her lying about job problems that he was outraged about, demanded explanation for and kicked her out for.. not once did he touch or comfort lauren.  And Lauryn accepted that as normal. Didnt have a single emotional reaction. They just huddled together like two teen who just hot caught shoplifting in sephora. :)

The moms explanation was just stupid. And she is on Netflix trying to draw attention to herself to have us all condemning her instead of thinking ..who sent those messages. Her participation-- comparing her situation  to drunk driving--is just rage bait to draw anger. The cops say its your phone from day 1. ... So if you didnt start it that leaves only one person. Your daughter. And Lauryn conveniently says.. i think my mom sent all the messages while walking away with a purse full of lip gloss."

[u/iatethecheesestick → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Evidence?

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/iatethecheesestick]

Read above.

[u/ccsr0979 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Speculation is still not evidence.

[u/RNAiac → u/Civil-Two-3797]

She did have a reaction. He arms were limp and uncomfortable when her mom clung to her. It's all a shock and she has had a parasitic toxic relationship with her mom allllllll her life.

[u/Grrannt → u/RNAiac]

but her reaction and opinion doesn't seem like it changed even years later

[u/Possible-Loss9845 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Didnt have a single emotional reaction. They just huddled together like two teen who just hot caught shoplifting in sephora

Not everyone reacts how you 'think' they are going to, or 'should' react in shocking/volatile situations. Hence fight/flight/freeze/fawn - all are legitimate responses to trauma/shock.

The mother went straight into the role that she had been playing with Lauryn throughout the 'ordeal' of saviour/rescuer/caregiver/protector/comforter etc - probably because she knew her number was up and was attempting to mitigate/bargain with the situation.

Lauryn, I'd imagine was incredibly confused, shocked and upset, but again, that shows differently on different people. She started getting upset when her Dad was arranging for her mum to leave and saying they are 'done' - parent's splitting up is traumatic alone let alone with all this other stuff going on.

I'd be shocked if Lauryn, or the Dad were 'in on it' at all themselves - I don't think you are taking in the magnitude of what this meant to both of them and the shame they probably both feel over being manipulated in such a way by someone who is supposed to care about you.

Personally, I don't think Lauryn has reached the 'anger' stage of processing this whole thing and to me it seems like she is still (understandably, bless her) clinging on to the 'good' parts of her mum, hoping that those somehow outweighs her mother's heinous actions.

Having to acknowledge that your mother isn't who you thought she was, that the person you thought you could trust the most hurt you in these ways and facing grieving the loss of the mother you thought you had, meanwhile having to comprehend the mother you actually have must be soul crushing.

[u/ThatEcologist → u/Civil-Two-3797]

The FBI and police say all the evidence points towards Kendra sending the texts.

[u/sourpatchkitties → u/Civil-Two-3797]

what would she gain from being in on her mother being an insane person

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/sourpatchkitties]

Someone else encapsulated my exact sentiments. It actually makes a lot of sense:

"Lauren started  this with her moms help. She wanted cast shade on chloe and to keep a lock on owen (and her mom went along to protect her friendship with owens mom and to show her how not to get caught) because of insecurity over owen and chloe who was actively isolating her from social things. Owen was going to Khloes Halloween party even though lauryn wasnt invited-- a party that's described as.. ' all the kids and all the parents are going'. Just not lauryn. This probably also angered laurens mom as well which may have given her justification in her mind that chloe deserved some blame. They thought it was innocent fun. After all is it a crime to text yourself? When lauren got reassurance from Owen around Halloween she stopped texting herself post party. 10 months later thats when i think her mom took over completely. Probably owens wandering eye for Chloe or that other girl made her mom, who comes off as the  'pretty girls protective ugly best friend', start up again. 

People are saying how how can a mom do this to her daughter. The answer is..she didnt. That's why they really comforted each other when dad was getting angry over the Ferris job. Lauryn knew they werent real messages. The problem for her could have been not knowing how to get out of it once the cops were called.. trying to protect her mom who likely told Lauryn all her problems with Ferris. The mother is completely immeshed with Lauren.no boundaries what so ever. Thats why she was okay with the sex talk. Something for two besties to giggle about while they are sending it.

Look at the body cam footage.

Lauryn, who is suppose to have no idea who has essentially ruined her life and drove her to being suicidal, has ZERO reaction when told  mother her did all of this. None what so ever. No anger, no disbelieve, no tears over what she lost, nothing.  She looks like someone just told he that her mom shop lifted at Sephora. She is not in shock.. Because she knew all about it-- because they both were shoplifting in Sephora..and she realized her mom was gonna take the fall.   I mean her mom literally says...i didnt start it...i just finished it. And the cop glossed that over. Hes not stupid..he understands what that means given the evidence they are letting the mom take the fall.

And the dad was confused and angry...and stormed into the house to confront her ...ABOUT FERRIS... Not his daughter. He accepted that no problem. He probably  knew she was behind the texts. It was her lying about job problems that he was outraged about, demanded explanation for and kicked her out for.. not once did he touch or comfort lauren.  And Lauryn accepted that as normal. Didnt have a single emotional reaction. They just huddled together like two teen who just hot caught shoplifting in sephora. :)

The moms explanation was just stupid. And she is on Netflix trying to draw attention to herself to have us all condemning her instead of thinking ..who sent those messages. Her participation-- comparing her situation  to drunk driving--is just rage bait to draw anger. The cops say its your phone from day 1. ... So if you didnt start it that leaves only one person. Your daughter. And Lauryn conveniently says.. i think my mom sent all the messages while walking away with a purse full of lip gloss."

[u/Pavlies → u/Civil-Two-3797]

This is speculation not evidence.

You're reading too much into what Kendra said when she was confronted by Mike Main, the sheriff. Her claiming she didn't start it is just her *lying*. The documentary addressed this. She knew she couldn't worm herself out the all the evidence that the messages came from her, so she pretended that she only did it to find out who was behind it all and that she got caught up in it. Her framing it as her trying to help her daughter initially but simply losing control looks less bad that what she was actually doing - cyberbullying her daughter for controle and attention and probably due to an inappropriate attraction towards Owen.

[u/mafaldajunior → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Nothing points to this except for that urge that some people have to blame victims for their own abuse. Smh.

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/mafaldajunior]

From another thread. It actually makes a lot of sense:

"Lauren started this with her moms help. She wanted cast shade on chloe and to keep a lock on owen (and her mom went along to protect her friendship with owens mom and to show her how not to get caught) because of insecurity over owen and chloe who was actively isolating her from social things. Owen was going to Khloes Halloween party even though lauryn wasnt invited-- a party that's described as.. ' all the kids and all the parents are going'. Just not lauryn. This probably also angered laurens mom as well which may have given her justification in her mind that chloe deserved some blame. They thought it was innocent fun. After all is it a crime to text yourself? When lauren got reassurance from Owen around Halloween she stopped texting herself post party. 10 months later thats when i think her mom took over completely. Probably owens wandering eye for Chloe or that other girl made her mom, who comes off as the  'pretty girls protective ugly best friend', start up again. 

People are saying how how can a mom do this to her daughter. The answer is..she didnt. That's why they really comforted each other when dad was getting angry over the Ferris job. Lauryn knew they werent real messages. The problem for her could have been not knowing how to get out of it once the cops were called.. trying to protect her mom who likely told Lauryn all her problems with Ferris. The mother is completely immeshed with Lauren.no boundaries what so ever. Thats why she was okay with the sex talk. Something for two besties to giggle about while they are sending it.

Look at the body cam footage.

Lauryn, who is suppose to have no idea who has essentially ruined her life and drove her to being suicidal, has ZERO reaction when told  mother her did all of this. None what so ever. No anger, no disbelieve, no tears over what she lost, nothing.  She looks like someone just told he that her mom shop lifted at Sephora. She is not in shock.. Because she knew all about it-- because they both were shoplifting in Sephora..and she realized her mom was gonna take the fall.   I mean her mom literally says...i didnt start it...i just finished it. And the cop glossed that over. Hes not stupid..he understands what that means given the evidence they are letting the mom take the fall.

And the dad was confused and angry...and stormed into the house to confront her ...ABOUT FERRIS... Not his daughter. He accepted that no problem. He probably  knew she was behind the texts. It was her lying about job problems that he was outraged about, demanded explanation for and kicked her out for.. not once did he touch or comfort lauren.  And Lauryn accepted that as normal. Didnt have a single emotional reaction. They just huddled together like two teen who just hot caught shoplifting in sephora. :)

The moms explanation was just stupid. And she is on Netflix trying to draw attention to herself to have us all condemning her instead of thinking ..who sent those messages. Her participation-- comparing her situation  to drunk driving--is just rage bait to draw anger. The cops say its your phone from day 1. ... So if you didnt start it that leaves only one person. Your daughter. And Lauryn conveniently says.. i think my mom sent all the messages while walking away with a purse full of lip gloss."

[u/ccsr0979 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Nope. I think she was just in shock and disbelief. Poor kid.

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/ccsr0979]

And I think differently. Crazy how opinions work, huh?

[u/ccsr0979 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Except you created a whole made up scenario full of speculation. Mine was summarized in one sentence. I bet you’re into conspiracy theories too. Sometimes things are just what they seem.

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/ccsr0979]

Speculation based on circumstantial evidence. There's a few threads popping up now questioning the same thing. 

You done?

[u/mafaldajunior → u/Civil-Two-3797]

There's no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, about any of this. It's just someone's imagination running wild. Get help.

[u/mafaldajunior → u/Civil-Two-3797]

This is just fanfiction. Disgusting and baseless.

[u/Civil-Two-3797 → u/mafaldajunior]

Baseless? Lol. You clearly weren't paying attention.

[u/Kratzschutz → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Ok Kloes mum

[u/mafaldajunior → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Are you done?

[u/Adorable-Building154 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

Why do you keep reposting the same baseless novel full of nothing but speculation? Repeating it over and over won't make it real. Are you one of Khloe's parents?

[u/Artistic-Ship-7370 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

truly what the hell is wrong with you

[u/stxrrynights240 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

“We care about real victims” when real victims say anything

[u/Ok_Comfortable_1583 → u/Civil-Two-3797]

How many times are you going to post this same asinine comment?