Accountant cleared of drink driving after claiming she guzzled vodka AFTER crash

[u/maiscestmoi]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/im-not-going-lie-necked-21820359

[u/wampa-stompa]

This isn't how justice works. I understand your view is colored by the pain of loss, but what you're describing is vengeance.

As a reminder, in most states involuntary manslaughter carries a maximum sentence of around 10 years. Not life.

[u/[deleted] → u/wampa-stompa]

Drink driving isn't involuntary, it's a choice.

If I shoot someone and they die, should I get the maximum sentence?

What if I'm drunk when I shot them? Should that make me sentence less?

That's insane.

[u/wampa-stompa → u/[deleted]]

Uh, it actually kind of does... So... Take it up with the supreme court?

Maybe you've heard of aggravated assault, or the different degrees of murder (1st, 2nd, 3rd)?

If a man comes from work, finds his wife cheating, and kills her or the other man, it is certainly murder. But it is not considered quite as severe as if it were premeditated. It's all about the danger the person poses to society. Both are extremely serious, but a crime of passion is not quite as severe as coldly plotting a murder.

Frankly, the lack of empathy here is astounding, but if you can't understand that then maybe you can at least understand the pragmatic point of view that we do not as a society need to expend the resources to keep someone in jail for life on manslaughter charge, when we could release them in 10 years.

[u/[deleted] → u/wampa-stompa]

So choosing to drink is the same as your wife cheating on you? You... you chose to have your wife cheat on you in exactly the same way you choose to drink?

I feel like you're purposefully using bad analogies and misrepresenting the points you think you're trying to make.

Choosing to drink then choosing to get behind a wheel and drive, you're saying that's commensurate with choosing to walk in on your wife having sex with another guy. That's absolutely absurd. That's so disingenuous that I'm done here, because you're a troll.

Try not to choose to get cheated on. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[u/wampa-stompa → u/[deleted]]

You're the only one creating false equivalence here, and arguing in bad faith. And you have been extremely condescending throughout. You know as well as I do that I never said these things were the same, that's an assertion you're making out of the blue. I was explaining that there are different levels of severity for crimes, because you're advocating for a system in which all punishments are as severe as possible, effectively the Code of Hammurabi. There is essentially no difference between your permanent loss of license, life imprisonment model for DUI, and cutting off someone's hands for stealing. It is in fact the same idea - remove their ability to repeat the mistake.

News flash, everyone always has a choice of whether to commit a criminal act. That's what makes it a crime. No one is ever in control of the circumstances, only their actions. Of course they chose to drink, just like the murderer chose to murder in a crime of passion. It is not a "bad analogy," it is relevant. It's not valid to say that in my example the person didn't choose to be cheated on - that's beyond idiotic. Go back to school and learn basic logic.

Has it occurred to you that you might be extremely biased on this issue, given you lost someone to drunk driving? Judges and the law are on my side. We do not currently imprison first time DUI offenders, for life or even for years. I am not "trolling," I'm trying to educate you about how the justice system works as well as call attention to your extreme callousness in the way you dehumanize first time offenders.

[u/[deleted] → u/wampa-stompa]

remove their ability to repeat the mistake

No, I'll say it again, so we're absolutely clear.

Drunk driving isn't an accident. Drunk driving isn't a mistake. Drunk driving is a choice. Several times I've corrected you now, you refuse to acknowledge it.

You're the one creating false equivalence here

No, dickhead. You're the one continuing to equate drunk driving with a mistake. You're literally the person refusing to listen. You are either unable or unwilling to understand, multiple times, that drunk driving isn't an accident, or a mistake.

I never said these things were the same

Yes you did, you literally keep referring to it as a mistake.

No one is ever in control of the circumstances

The fucker who decided to get drunk was in control of the fucking bottle in his hand. The drunk fucker who decided to pull out his keys, start the car, and drive down the road, he was in control of doing that. Literally, you're making my point for me. Just stop.

Judges and the law are on my side

You equated theft with murder to try to make your point. You're purposefully not understanding that killing someone isn't the same as stealing their wallet, that the law prescribes monetary fines for monetary damages. You notice I didn't have to bring up ancient fucking laws just to misrepresent a point.

I am not "trolling"

That's not for you to decide, actually.