r/nononono • u/BunyipPouch • Jul 29 '18

Learning to Drive the Firetruck

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Wow, that looks expensive.

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u/juantawp Jul 30 '18

May as well have been burning money

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

In all seriousness can anyone explain what the hell it shit out at the end?

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u/Buscemifightsfires Jul 30 '18

Former fire fighter here. It's the sand used to clean up road accident spills. A 4 gallon portable container is kept on top (pain in the ass to get but useful for small spills where the larger compartment on the side takes 2/3 ppl to use).

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u/rabidduck Jul 30 '18

Well now you know an easier way to get it out.

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u/poopiemorph Jul 30 '18

Username checks out

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Wow, didn't know that. BRB gonna go make a post on r/todayilearned

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18 edited Jan 12 '19

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u/megafather Jul 30 '18

He actually did it the mad man

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u/jayj59 Jul 30 '18

His username checks out

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u/Portal2TheMoon Jul 30 '18

I cant comment on the topic so ill just tell you. There is actually a documentary out there that Steve Buscemi did. I watched it a while ago and cant remember much. But basically it highpoints the fire service and tells you all types of factoids. But he still goes to his old station from time to which (fun fact) was just a few blocks down from ground zero. So his truck was the first to arrive.

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u/magnus_blue Jul 30 '18

I checked. You didn't do it. I'm disappointed

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u/dadjokes_bot Jul 30 '18

Hi disappointed, I'm dad!

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u/DontWashIt Jul 30 '18

I'm You_little_fucking_prick

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u/UnderhandRabbit Jul 30 '18

PLEASE tell me this is Steve’s throwaway account...

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u/jbeats1 Jul 30 '18

Saw it today with the guy who hit me when his car spilt anti-freeze on the road. Boys got some white chalk? white sand? and spread it around and cleaned it right up. Pretty awesome stuff. Cheers to you for your service.

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u/erroneousbosh Jul 30 '18

Cat litter. Seriously. It was originally used to soak up oil spills, then someone discovered it was quite good for soaking up cat piss too.

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u/Sanguine_Steve Jul 30 '18

Do firetrucks carry any water or do they rely on local supply?

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u/Jest0riz0r Jul 30 '18

Both is possible. The first truck in the gif probably doesn't carry water, the second one probably does (between the storage).

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u/rice-paper Jul 30 '18

i loved you in reservoir dogs.

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u/Buscemifightsfires Jul 30 '18

Oh really? Thanks man, I don't get that one much, usually it's A Bugs Life.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

He came in too hot...

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

He is so fired...

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u/NaturalContradiction Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

Can someone estimate the real cost of some accident like this? I'm genuinely curious given it is potentially minimal damage to the truck but then there's medical costs for the people inside and other stuff. I'd guess somewhere between $100,000-150,000 but I legitimately have no idea.

Edit: a word

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u/a_spooky_ghost Jul 30 '18

In Philly a few year ago two fire trucks crashed into each other at an intersection. Both were totalled. They were the big full sized ladder trucks and I believe they cost in the neighborhood of almost $1M a piece to replace them. Not sure what other equipment that may have included. Smaller trucks like these are probably a couple of hundred thousand.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Are they not insured?

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u/shapu Jul 30 '18

There is a point where you are large enough it's better to bear the cost out of pocket than to pay premiums.

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u/adudeguyman Jul 30 '18

Self-insured. Many cities are like this.

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u/I-Downloaded-a-Car Jul 30 '18

You can do that yourself too if you have the capital

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u/okaywhattho Jul 30 '18

Insurance salesmen hate him.

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u/a_spooky_ghost Jul 30 '18

I would assume they are but regardless those trucks are expensive. The bigger problem for the city when that happened was the trucks are built to order so they were down two trucks until the replacements were available.

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u/Jack-tar Jul 30 '18

I work in public safety, when a truck gets old we actually make it a reserve truck when it gets replaced. We essentially have a stockpile of spares for when one needs to go out of service for an extended period of time, or a mass disaster that requires bringing on the off-duty personnel (IE, massive tornado.)

I can't speak for Philly, but a lot of places in my area operate on the same model.

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u/a_spooky_ghost Jul 30 '18

That makes sense. I only know what little I read in the news at the time. It makes sense that the city would have to have some kind of backup plan because accidents happen.

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u/Niqulaz Jul 30 '18

Place where I grew up still has a vintage Ford something from the seventies. Side-mounted ladders, pump in the front. Everyone knows the unit and has seen it growing up.

It's existence is somewhere between veteran museum piece, and back-up for when they run out of other back-ups.

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u/AdmiralRed13 Jul 30 '18

The truck in this video is at least $250k, at the least. Thankfully it's not totaled, but the work to get it upright and working again is in the tens of thousands.

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u/ConstantReader76 Jul 30 '18

These days, new engines are around a million dollars in the states. Ladders are at least 1.5 million. Rescues depend on how heavy duty and whether they carry water, but they push up to a million.

That's before any equipment goes on.

The price rises each year as new NFPA safety standards are added.

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u/SecretSensei Jul 30 '18

How does something like that even happen?

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

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u/a_spooky_ghost Jul 30 '18

This exactly. Poor communication between trucks and unsafely running stop signs was exactly the cause. When I was in high school we had a cop come speak to us about driving safely. He told us about an accident he was called to and he was driving faster than he should have to get there and went off the road I to a ditch. A person in the accident he was responding to didn't make it and he always wondered if he had not crashed and made it to the accident if it would have made a difference. The lesson he was sharing is it is better to put safety first and get where you are headed than to not make it there because you didn't make the time for safety.

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u/SecretSensei Jul 30 '18

God that sucks. I guess those buildings they were on their way to (assuming it was a building fire) ends up burnong to the ground. Oh and now theres a huge clusterfuck where the crashed trucks are prevent ing any others from helping. Sounds like a true nightmare scenario....

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u/twelvepaws1992 Jul 30 '18

Former Engineer here. Fire trucks are inherently hard to drive due to the large volumes of water on board. When you try and stop or turn, the weight of the water shifts and make the truck easier to overturn like this or even roll. In regards to stoping all the water rushes to the front of the tank requiring significantly longer stoping distances. If you’re a little too fast or a little off on the sharpness on your turn this is inevitable.

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u/Gnarbuttah Jul 30 '18

Plus there are guys who get in the service just to drive the engine like they stole it. When I'm the D/O I'm driving Miss Daisy, we might be 30-40 seconds slower getting there but we're getting there as safe as I can manage.

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u/Shortneckbuzzard Jul 30 '18

Very poor intersection practice. Blowing through red lights amped up in route to a fire. Fires are simply not that common anymore. When they do happen people get fired up hehe. Also a lot of new firefighter across the county with less experience.

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u/Lolor-arros Jul 30 '18

Firetrucks are tall and heavy.

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u/DemTnATho Jul 30 '18

His vomit on his sweater already.

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u/ActualWhiterabbit Jul 30 '18

According to this site it's $500k for the truck and $100-150k for the stuff inside

Thorough news article explaining why fire trucks are so expensive. . TLDR they have to be safe and have wide seats.

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u/SinProtocol Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

Don’t forget the front’s not supposed to fall off

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u/Shulerbop Jul 30 '18

I don’t want anyone to get the impression these trucks aren’t safe

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

So this truck was safe?

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u/Shulerbop Jul 30 '18

Well, I was thinking more about the other ones.

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u/Jay911 Jul 30 '18

Another reason fire equipment is so expensive: it's fire equipment. No, seriously. See that water valve for $99 at your farm supply store? Paint it red and put fire hose threads on it and it becomes $735.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

By paying $735 some insurance will need to cover up if it fails, or rather by using the $99 part your insurance will tell you to stick it where the sun doesn't shine and laugh at you.

For business-hardware, that's always the case - it's quite a bit more expensive, but it either comes with huge convenience (like some laptop-brands being really easy to repair when compared to cheaper (or apple) stuff) or legal obligations you wouldn't get from the regular consumer variant.

Of course in case of women's power tools that doesn't apply - you pay idiot tax for a pink drill. But it's pink and 17 grams lighter, so perfect for weak women who need their drill to go with their shoes while doing handy work.

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u/drunken-serval Jul 30 '18

Fire equipment is also more expensive because it's guaranteed to be to spec. Just because they can use an off the shelf consumer part today doesn't always mean you can use that part tomorrow.

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u/Ta2whitey Jul 30 '18

I'm a bus driver. I really doubt much was damaged other than paint and to flip it back up. I would imagine these are either stripped down crappy old ones for training or secure with bare essentials. Our new buses cost about 100k new. But once they go to auction about 3k. So, really you probably just earned a new nick name.

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u/ConiferousMedusa Jul 30 '18

This was what I was guessing. The US Navy used old planes that were kinda disposable to train pilots to land on aircraft carriers during WWII, so why not use old trucks to train new drivers. That minimizes costs and gives them a lower stakes opportunity to train.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

That truck is likely decommissioned and primarily used for training purposes only and the occasional lunch run.

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u/NaturalContradiction Jul 30 '18

I hope so! Looked like a pretty functional fire truck to me up until the end.

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u/Sloppy1sts Jul 30 '18

I'm sure it's still pretty functional. Might have broken a few bits, but probably nothing that can't be repaired.

Though I don't know if an impact like this might affect the frame, which would be quite expensive a problem.

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u/mountainunicycler Jul 30 '18

I don’t know exactly how fire trucks are built, but I drive an old ambulance that’s a similar age; if mine flipped on its side the aluminum skin would be ruined, and the box frame would be damaged, but the frame rails of the truck would be totally fine because these things are basically a box made from 1” square steel bars sitting on top of the frame rails at a few attachment points. The boxes are extremely strong and heavy, but probably would be very expensive to repair because it’s custom work.

With ambulances the boxes cost way more than the base vehicle, and fire trucks are significantly more custom than ambulances.

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u/erroneousbosh Jul 30 '18

Not a whole lot. Those are extremely old fire appliances which have probably exceeded their useful working life. They don't give the trainees new shiny ones to play with.

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u/dontyouknowyoucanfly Jul 30 '18

Id wager they give the skeleton trucks to the newbies

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u/erroneousbosh Jul 30 '18

They're fully kitted out, just ancient.

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u/erroneousbosh Jul 30 '18

They use old fire appliances that have been taken off the run for training. They're often nearly 20 years old with only a few thousand miles on the clock.

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u/DontPokeMe91 Jul 30 '18

That truck was one day from retirement.

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u/B-C-4-2-0 Jul 30 '18

"I'm too old for this soot"

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u/BlondeAussieGirl1990 Jul 30 '18

RIP Firey McFireface....ashes to ashes

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u/poopellar Jul 30 '18

dust to dust

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u/FinnicKion Jul 30 '18

We’ll all miss you when you go to rust.

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u/GJacks75 Jul 30 '18

saxomophone.....

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u/itsmight Jul 30 '18

Most underrated comment of the day

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

Well it’s a lot easier to change those tires when the truck is on its side.

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u/frank_-_horrigan Jul 30 '18

Only on one side though, then you gotta flip it the other way... That would even it out too - win-win.

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u/theonlypeanut Jul 30 '18

Well it retired.

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u/newburner01 Jul 30 '18

Mendozaaaaaaaaaaa!

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u/sloppyjo11 Jul 30 '18

Truck so old, dust came out

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u/rtbhnmjtrpiobneripnh Jul 30 '18

"Quick, Somebody call 911!"

"WE ARE 911!"

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u/MotherfuckinRanjit Jul 30 '18

Shawty fire burning on the dance floor!!

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u/stevewowo Jul 30 '18

Woooooah

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u/walking_poes_law Jul 30 '18

I HAD TO COOL HER DOWN

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u/feedmedammit Jul 30 '18

He's gonna bring the truck to the ground

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u/av0w Jul 30 '18

No they are 115 this time :P

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u/fabio_sang Jul 30 '18

Yep, that's in Italy! Until a few years ago we had different emergency numbers for different emergency services: 115 was firemen, 112 was carabineers, 113 ambulance and so on. After Italy was condemned by the court of justice of the European union, we finally had to unify all the emergency numbers to 112.

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u/microwavedcheesus Jul 30 '18

Carabineers?

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u/vanityprojects Jul 30 '18

Carabinieri. It's an armed force here in Italy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carabinieri

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u/WikiTextBot Jul 30 '18

Carabinieri

The Carabinieri (formally Arma dei Carabinieri, "Carabinieri Force" or previously Corpo dei Carabinieri Reali, "Royal Carabinieri Corps"; Italian pronunciation: [karabiˈnjɛːri]) is the fourth Italian military force charged with police duties under the authority of the Ministry of Defense. Carabinieri are the national gendarmerie of Italy, policing both military and civilian populations. Carabinieri (similar to Polizia di Stato and Guardia di Finanza) are always "on duty" throughout the national territory including out of service hours, during leave and whilst on vacation, and they are always permitted to carry their assigned weapon as personal equipment (Beretta 92FS pistol). It was originally founded as the police force of the Kingdom of Sardinia, the forerunner of the Kingdom of Italy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

"No! We are 115. It says so right on the side of our truck..... Oh."

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

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u/DontPanicJohnny Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

I couldn't either.... https://m.imgur.com/gallery/lkh2rHT

Edit: Wear your seat belt! My buddy and I walked away, with the only injury being his broken toe.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

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u/psyckomantis Jul 30 '18

he did actually, his head is all fucked up now, looks like the head of a nail but with a mouth

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u/DontPanicJohnny Jul 30 '18

Fate? We flipped/rotated in a way that the passenger and I landed with our heads in the ditch and crawled out from the low side. After we landed my head was resting on the grass, but I truly don't remember much of the few seconds before that when the car left the ground.

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u/Rhesusmonkeydave Jul 30 '18

Relevant Username?

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u/DontPanicJohnny Jul 30 '18

Oh no. I was freaking out.... it was my parents car. They wouldn't even let me go race karts that night.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Survived a crash, better go celebrate with some go-karting!

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u/Andrew_Suck Jul 30 '18

That sort of thing could get a man.... fired

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u/KesInTheCity Jul 30 '18

Put your shades on, H.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

What a... burn?

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

I guess he was too hot...for...you....

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u/mrs_tekcor Jul 30 '18

Someone just got demoted!

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u/EthanA51 Jul 30 '18

Demoted from trainee to nothing

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u/atxJack Jul 30 '18

Promoted to civilian

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Demoted to negative cilvilian

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u/tOSUBUCKEYES_ Jul 30 '18

The only fire he's going to be putting out now is a grease flair up.

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u/Enigma_Stasis Jul 30 '18

Nah, that fucker got promoted to mopping the parking lot in the rain.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

The truck literally shit itself

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u/adudeguyman Jul 30 '18

Just like the driver

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u/BurlyNurse Jul 30 '18

Imagine if the truck landed the other direction and that shit storm of sand actually put out the fire.

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u/cpMetis Jul 30 '18

While they were driving he was studying the art of the sand.

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u/JerseyByNature Jul 30 '18

https://imgur.com/gallery/2l1BcqS This happened not too long ago in my town. Impressive part is that they only made it about 20 feet from the fire house.

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u/ShamSham03 Jul 30 '18

I love how the fire engine stret sign is also in photo.

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u/PM_UR_DEAD_HOOKERS Jul 30 '18

And that's why training is important. Better it happened here than on an actual call.

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u/agupta429 Jul 30 '18

Man, turning right would’ve fixed that... the tilt was on for too long

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

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u/poopellar Jul 30 '18

You mean real life car physics isn't like GTA car physics?

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u/VeganMcVeganface Jul 30 '18

Not to mention he probably wasn't buckled in.

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u/Childish_Brandino Jul 30 '18

Actually if you watch the wheels right as it's going over you can see they are clearly turning the wheel as hard as it can go. My guess is it was too far gone to be able to turn as soon as it started to tip or that the steering arm probably gave way as soon as they tried to correct during the tip. Also this is a vehicle that carries water in it. So it's probably hard to guess how it will behave once the water shifts. Load shift is scary

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Can confirm, was a firefighter. Most of my crazy driving memories were in the water tender. Sliding around on black ice, having to refill in -30C weather, stuff like that. Someone at a neighbouring hall put theirs in the ditch during the winter in an incident pretty similar to this. Good times.

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u/Childish_Brandino Jul 30 '18

Wow. I can't imagine the stress of the tender drivers. Trying to get there as quickly yet safely as possible. Especially in non-ideal weather. Any sick drifts?

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

It wasn’t so bad. Most of it was shuttling back and forth between the scene and the water supply if we weren’t close to a hydrant. I drove the engines too. We always drove with safety prioritized over everything else, so no intentional drifts, but after I left the fire service I went into aviation and drifted planes instead. Possibly intentionally. And they were sick.

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u/Matrix5353 Jul 30 '18

Gotta love those crosswind landings, when you just kick the rudder at the last moment.

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u/canadarepubliclives Jul 30 '18

I'm in the camp that they came in too fast and turned too hard.

Once all the weight is going one way it's not likely you can recover with a simple turning of the wheel

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u/Childish_Brandino Jul 30 '18

I would wager if it was a lighter vehicle but still the same center of gravity that they probably could have recovered. I also think they could have recovered if they hadn't stopped. Although that would have meant running into the cars too probably. But this is all just speculation.

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u/loveroffish2017 Jul 30 '18

Yeah anyone who has had to move a container less than full of a larger weight of liquid will tell ya that shift is no joke. Once it starts splashing around in said container you just hold on and hope it corrects itself for your now at the mercy of physics.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Not so much. The tricky party with fire trucks/engines is that they have a large onboard water tank which can be a lot of weight to shift around.

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u/wujidao Jul 30 '18

That second truck was top heavy on account of William Baldwin and Jennifer Jason Leigh having sex on the roof.

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u/Wardy1985 Jul 30 '18

Oof muh tax money

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u/Tyler1492 Jul 30 '18

More like I miei soldi delle tasse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

More like i soldi delle mie tasse.

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u/krejcii Jul 30 '18

At least rescue is already on scene.

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u/BOseeFISH Jul 30 '18

WE WOO WE WOO WE WOOO

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

This is not healthy for the engine and your career. :/

Worst I’ve seen was our 85 foot rear mounted “elevated platform” clipping a telephone pole and basically ripping the bucket off of the front. Good times. I was still new and learned a few new swears that day. (I was not driving..)

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u/toxicatedscientist Jul 30 '18

I mean. This is, like, exactly why they do this, isn't it? Practices that is

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

You have to build up the trucks tolerance to rollovers. Just lay it on its side a few times to prepare.

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u/fermented_durian Jul 30 '18

I learned from gta that when the truck starts to tilt like that, you have to steer in the direction of the tilt (counter intuitive). This will somehow correct the position of the truck because physics.

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u/Balsdeep_Inyamum Jul 30 '18

Also, one you've already flipped, just turn the wheel back and forth a few times and the vehicle will right itself.

Thanks GTA!

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u/Tyler1492 Jul 30 '18

Well, if you learned it from GTA then it must be true without a doubt.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

If you kill the prostitute you can get your money back.

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u/SunshineBuzz Jul 30 '18

r/shittylifehacks

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u/1312_143 Jul 30 '18

But that would actually work in real life.

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u/SunshineBuzz Jul 30 '18

Well, I mean you do get your money back... And what's a dead prostitute or 2 among friends?

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u/XxTreeFiddyxX Jul 30 '18

And what's a dead prostitute or 2 among friends?

A stiff spitroast

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u/-eccentric- Jul 30 '18 edited Jul 30 '18

You can say a lot about GTA, but many games do teach stuff you can use in real life. Including this.

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u/TheEclair Jul 30 '18

Can confirm. GtaV helped me learn to back a semi, which I used in real life cdl school.

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u/LucasGraba Jul 30 '18

Never drove a truck IRL but this is what I learned as "counter steering" in motorcycles and it works for sure. The idea is that when you are tilting, the "useful" wide part of the tire is losing contact with the ground, so you move the wheel so as to return the tire to the correct position.

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u/Turbosandslipangles Jul 30 '18

The whole surface of a motorbike tyre is the "useful" part. The problem with bikes is that they can only maintain a turn while they're leaning. Countersteering gets the bike leaning in the right direction so that you can actually make a turn.

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u/fuckitweredoingitliv Jul 29 '18

He took that turn a little too hot..get it.. like there's a fire..and a fire truck..you get the idea

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u/oakes1992 Jul 30 '18

Okay, dad.

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u/CaptainObliviousIII Jul 30 '18

Dumpster fire, meet Dumpster fire.

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u/Legate_Dandelion Jul 30 '18

Dear Chief, no one was more surprised than I when....

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u/UknightThePeople Jul 30 '18

Yeah but what about the fire?

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u/cruiseclearance Jul 30 '18

Got the truck on scene, boss!

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u/immense_anticipation Jul 30 '18

Really thought it was going to be the first truck.

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u/steemboat Jul 30 '18

Looks like my life right now.

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u/CdM-Lover Jul 30 '18

Oh no. Fire(wo)men are universally loved. Rightly or wrongly. It’s like watching a loved baby fall off a bike. Awww.

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u/sir_joe_cool Jul 30 '18

One gif of a bad driver and we are suddenly open to the idea that there are female firefighters. smh.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

10 years as an EMT left me jadded. I have a lot of friends that are firefighters but it's still hard to forget about years of lazy firefighters that complained abiut doing their jobs at every call.

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u/MysticCurse Jul 30 '18

That’s why they should be round. Nobody is listening to me!

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u/NuderWorldOrder Jul 30 '18

I would have thought "stop when you get to the fire" was like the first thing they teach you.

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u/gingerpwnage Jul 30 '18

"Del Fecco" is right

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u/I_SHOT_CHENEYS_HOMIE Jul 30 '18

I think his back has scoliosis, cuz he swerved the lane

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u/Vodkacannon Jul 30 '18

He shoulda done a quick counter-steer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

Ron you stupid ass

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u/rufos_adventure Jul 30 '18

used to build those, the pumpers are top heavy due to all the water sitting above the frame rails, and turning tight can start a slosh that the baffles can't slow down. felt bad to see that, but it isn't a rare occurrence. 8 lbs per gallon, 700 or so gallons equals lots of mobile weight.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '18

The point of no return

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u/TheEpsilonToMyDelta Jul 30 '18

Quickly, somebody call 911!

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u/Daveit4later Jul 30 '18

That looked expensive

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u/snotrocket1000 Jul 30 '18

Should have landed on the fire.

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u/roiroiroiyourboat Jul 30 '18

What happens to the guy after this? Like is he just fired?

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u/Bayerrc Jul 30 '18

First guy came in real hot but pumped the brakes hard before turning. 2nd guy followed in but didn't see the stop before the turn.

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u/JoeBidensVictim Jul 30 '18

I wonder if there ever was a way to not have half the shot consist only of asphalt and also include more of what's happening horizontally in the frame.

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