r/olympics • u/Budget_Insurance329 • 5d ago
Is the 2036 Olympics selection process in mess?
Among the serious bids there are only three serious options. One (India) is constantly warned by the IOC and has weather factor, the other (Qatar) is a terrible choice for PR and also has weather factor. The others (Turkey) original mayor is in jail, the current municipal representatives are bullied by the government. How IOC does manage this chaotic, uncertain situation?
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u/Weary_Tie949 5d ago
There are some talks in Germany about hosting. They have to decide on a city though, which usually involves a referendum in said cities. As a German I can tell you that the people here are the strictest judges, haha. Years ago there was a referendum for Hamburg to at least apply and people voted against it. They might try again though. Munich, Berlin and a whole region in West Germany (Rhein-Ruhr) have shown interest as well. Last time I read about it was before the mayor of Istanbul was put into prison and it was more about the year they should apply for. Now that 2036 is pretty much an easy grab, things could focus on that year now.
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u/d1ngal1ng 5d ago
They should go for a regional bid that doesn't include Berlin (like Rhine-Ruhr).
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 4d ago
That could be the wild card that gets Germany over the finish line.
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 4d ago
This is the great challenge for Germany. The referendum issue would be a problem. I keep saying what if Berlin and Hamburg co-host? You can get between both cities so easily via train.
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u/Jokrong Olympics 5d ago
Whatever happened to Santiago, Chile? Have they already backed out?
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u/andres57 Chile 5d ago
Is up there, OP just skipped us
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u/OkHeron4208 4d ago
For the record, I really hope it’s Santiago 2036. Would love to see the Olympics back in South America
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u/NeimaDParis France 5d ago
It's not a written rule but it's usually goes "Europe" - "Americas" - "Asia", so after LA and Australia it should go back to "Europe time zone"
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 4d ago
They seem more interested in the youth Olympics at the moment.
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u/port956 Olympics 5d ago
Given the 12 year cycle of continents and time elapsed since they had it, I reckon it's a German city's games if they want it. Which one is the only question.
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u/1ugogimp United States 3d ago
Madrid or Rome would be my choices. Or Tokyo as a non pandemic games before Berlin in 2040.
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u/EmphasisExpensive864 5d ago
Germany is still deciding if they want to have the 36 or 40 Olympics and in which city. So I wouldn't call a process that isn't finished a mess.
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u/OnceOnThisIsland United States 5d ago edited 5d ago
Interest in the Olympics rises and falls over the years. Now we're in a down period. It's why 2024 had two bidders, 2028 technically had none, and 2032 only had one. The cities that would make the best candidates have seen the issues that come with hosting and they're not interested.
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u/Cryptographer_Away 5d ago
As a resident and town planner in the 2032 city, the shenanigans that occurred prior to formally bidding were hilarious. Has to be one of the few bids ever cooked up by locals simply to strong arm a national government into delivering a fair share of transport infrastructure funding.
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u/jonokimono 5d ago
It also had the heavy hand of John Coates rewarding himself to settle an itch he’s had since the 1992 bid.
I think Brisbane will be a great Olympic host, but its non transparent selection is dubious.
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u/d1ngal1ng 5d ago
2032 didn't only have one. It was awarded so early that the other interested countries weren't even able to fully prepare and submit their bids.
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u/bundy554 Australia 5d ago
We can host back to back if you want
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u/TroubleFantastic682 2d ago
are yall excited for the games? i’m planning to make a big trip out of it
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 4d ago
I could see how you could say it is a mess. Me personally, I would say I find it concerning.
The loudest party by far in this race is the least equipped and qualified to host. That is India I am talking about. They falsely claim to be in a dialogue when they are not. The IOC already gave them the cold shoulder. India's only IOC member, Nita Ambani has the backing of the wealthiest family in India behind her. She married into this family and would not be where she is had she never married Mukesh Ambani. An Olympics in India would almost certainly be a disaster. With all the problems India has (within Indian sport and Indian society), the only way they could possibly secure the Olympics would be through bribery. They would never win a host city race in the near future based on merit.
This then takes us to Qatar, which much like India also has human rights issues. But what Qatar has going for it is experience hosting sporting events and existing venues. Qatar is in many way well aligned with Olympic Agenda 2020. But the optics of awarding the games to Qatar could be an issue. But is Qatar's experience, existing venues and infrastructure enough to outweigh human rights and scheduling issues? It probably is. Right now, I would bet on Qatar getting the 2036 games.
Then there is Saudi Arabia. Much like Qatar, they have the money. But Qatar does have more currently existing venues. This puts Saudi at a disadvantage against Qatar.
Istanbul would be the most ideal option for 2036. It's in two continents, plus it has existing venues and infrastructure. The problem with Turkiye is political though. Corruption is a concern, not least of which was Istanbul's mayor being sent to jail under suspicions circumstances.
I think all these issues are a big factor as to why President Coventry paused the bidding process which was probably the right move. Me personally, I would chose Istanbul. I also wouldn't mind a return to London or a games in Germany or Spain. Africa would be too big a challenge for 2036.
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u/1ugogimp United States 3d ago
I’d suggest going back to Tokyo for a non pandemic games then Berlin 2040. But I would love Madrid.
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 2d ago
Yesterday I suggested Madrid as a compromise option for 2036 and then people on here attacked me with anti-American rhetoric, so I deleted my analysis.
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u/1ugogimp United States 2d ago
I don’t actually see Madrid as a compromise host. It will have been 40 years since Barcelona. Spain could actually host in a couple of cities.
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 2d ago
Only a 44 year gap between LA84 and LA28. As for Spain hosting in several cities, that can be done but I’m not sure if the IOC would go for it.
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u/1ugogimp United States 2d ago
I was more thinking that Valencia, Madrid, or Barcelona could each host the games.
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 2d ago
Barcelona doesn’t want any visitors from outside coming in anymore. Plus there is the Catalonia issue.
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u/1ugogimp United States 2d ago
Mmm politics! Got to love them.
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u/Impossible-Guitar957 United States 2d ago
Catalonia will probably never go independent. If Quebec and Scotland couldn’t do it… But that issue and the tourism haters probably rules Barcelona out as an option
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u/PrinceOfAssassins 5d ago
mild corruption is par for the course, turkey shouldnt be effected
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u/Baluba95 Hungary 5d ago
But it usually goes like mild corruption regarding the olympics in a country that is "good" regarding corruption otherwise. As things stand now, Turkey is firmly in the "bad" to "horrible" category on standard, whoch could easily turn to "unbearable" for the standard olympic uptick.
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u/Veganpotter2 4d ago
All 3 nations mentioned are bad politically and shouldn't be hosts. That said, the IOC should also not hold games in the US for political reasons and I'm set to financially benefit significantly when the Olympics comes back to Utah. But I still wish they did the right thing and banned us from hosting
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u/Recent_Weird2761 More flair options at /r/olympics/w/flair! 7h ago
How is india bad politically, you fool?
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u/Veganpotter2 2h ago
They have a dictator of a president with no oversight. Terrible infrastructure. One of the world's worst income disparities, a growing population with very little ability to tolerate that growth and it'll only cause the country to implode dumbass. The list really just keeps going though.
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u/Natural-Ad773 3d ago
I think the competition has just become too massive for a single city.
Like the World Cup or Euros isn’t held in one city it would be madness.
It will be regional.
I think Benelux region could be a great choice split between Netherlands and Belgium. Holland is pretty much just a massive city anyway.
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u/Charlie_Runkle69 New Zealand 13h ago
Yeah I think you are right. That's the future post 2040 or so for sure.
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u/WilkosJumper2 Great Britain 5d ago
It will be Qatar. They do not care about PR. The next Olympics are in the world’s most destructive country, why would Qatar bother them?
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u/Frnc12 5d ago
but they care about CBS, and CBS wont let they pick an Olympic that would have to fight American Football tv spots that easy. So unless Qatar brive CBS, bring Flag Football or cheerleading or found a way to do the OLYs not fighting AF, They would be a huge block atm
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u/funkywagnalls Australia 5d ago
It's NBC, not CBS. But you are right - if NBC has the power to dictate when events have to be held to maximise their audience, what's to stop them from dictating when a games are to be held?
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u/peepay Slovakia 5d ago
Why should the rest of the world care about TV programming in one country?
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u/1ugogimp United States 3d ago
Money. The largest amount of Olympic Revenue comes from the United States. Most of the major sponsors are USA based companies. The largest TV deal is for the USA market.
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u/WilkosJumper2 Great Britain 5d ago
They moved the football (real football) calendars round across the world to have a World Cup there in winter. The singular concerns of the US sports are nothing compared to that.
As long as the right hands are greased, it will go there. Especially now they’ve shown they can host a major sporting event.
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u/funkywagnalls Australia 5d ago
That is an unfair comparison. Association Football is not super popular in the states, and the costs for the rights to both the 2018 and 2022 World Cups in English for the US was only $400m (Spanish rights were higher at $600m). Even then, FIFA had to give Fox a third World Cup that just so happened to be in North America for an undisclosed amount (so peanuts) because they moved the 2022 World Cup to during the NFL season.
For comparison, NBCUniversial paid $4.4bn for four games (2012-2020), and is paying $7.65bn for six games between 2021-2032. According to the 2024 financial report of the IOC, the revenue from television rights was $3 252 225 000. If we assume that NBC expense all six games at the same value (which is a stupid assumption, I know, the Summer games are a lot more valuable than the winter games. But this is an easy assumption to make), at minimum, the TV rights from NBC are worth about 39.2% of the entire revenue from TV rights. Heck, the NBC contract is 28.88% of the total revenue of the IOC in 2024. And NBC knows that if they have to compete with the NFL season, they'll lose viewership to the NFL. So they will make sure that there is no conflict.
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u/WilkosJumper2 Great Britain 5d ago
Why are you talking about the United States? The location of the Olympics is not decided by what the US wants.
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u/funkywagnalls Australia 5d ago
I’m not saying it’s decided by what the US wants. It’s what NBC wants, which has its predominant business in the US.
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u/WilkosJumper2 Great Britain 5d ago
But why is that relevant to anything I said? The person who responded to me just started going on about US TV channels, probably because they think the world revolves around America.
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u/AwsiDooger 5d ago
The singular concerns of the US sports are nothing compared to that.
You're out of your mind. American football is light years more significant and rigid than global soccer schedules. There is no variable that would cause NBC to agree to an Olympiad during NFL regular season. If outsiders prefer to deny that, go ahead and be wrong. Numerous NBC executives have already come out and said it over the years.
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u/Maleficent_Resolve44 5d ago
How is American football light years more significant than global football schedules? In what way haha
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u/LivingInDE2189 5d ago
Broadcast deals?
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u/1ugogimp United States 3d ago
There is precedent. Sydney 2000 was held during NFL regular season. Assuming the current NFL broadcast contract is in place in 2036 which it won’t be. Their NFL contract is up in 33. A timeline similar to Sydney would work. NBC only has one NFL game a week. Now the tricky rights deal will be College Football. There they have at least two games on Saturday. There is precedent for a September games.
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u/Due-Fennel9127 5d ago
I predict Brisbane 2032 will be the final olympics, or at least the final one where they change cities each time
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u/Natural-Ad773 3d ago
I really wonder how that will go, I don’t think they have much started yet.
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u/Due-Fennel9127 2d ago
They haven't started anything and only selected the stadium site a couple of months ago
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u/dannyhippie619 4d ago
I wish Atlanta was considered again for 2036
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u/Veganpotter2 4d ago
Nobody from outside of the US wants to be in Atlanta. And most Americans don't even wanna be there🙃
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u/Upper-Detective878 4d ago
As an Indian I don't think the Indian bid is a serious one. It feels more like a political gimmick. Ahmedabad will definitely host the 2030 commonwealth games but Olympics there is a far fetched dream
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u/Veganpotter2 4d ago
All it takes is the right rich asshole bribing enough of the committee to host the games. I still don't think it'll happen but only because they probably won't have the right businessman willing to buy them off.
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u/rayoflight110 5d ago
I have an odd feeling the Olympics might be "quietly retired" after 2044 onwards. It's just too expensive, and only really a handful of cities are legitimately hosts.
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u/voituredepalmade 5d ago
No, but a radical change like a single city or several cities at the same time as proposed by Morinari Watanabe
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u/Yorks_Rider 5d ago
I think the Olympic Games has outlived its purpose. It is far too commercialised, too corrupt and expensive and one wonders whether it’s the best drugs or the best athletes which are winning the medals.
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u/transcocksucker21 5d ago
They sit back and wait to see if anyone else pops up. The good news about the new norm is that they can do that - there’s still 4 more years until the old 7 year mark comes