r/pics • u/False_Day_7393 • 1d ago
Jeffrey Epstein with victim Teala Davis in the cockpit.
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u/MachineGunTeacher 1d ago
Her name is Teala Davies, not Davis. Anyway, release the Epstein files.
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u/Disastrous_Hell_4547 1d ago
It’s so sickening. They were kids. The pictures sadly bring the disgusting pedophile predator preying on the children to life.
The only thing more disturbing is that Evangelical Christian Extremists support and vote for these beasts. I actually saw an older man coming out of church with a MAGA hat. Pray for us all (whatever you believe in or even if you don’t believe. It’s all cool. Just help us all.)
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u/Searchlights 20h ago
It’s so sickening. They were kids.
It's gross to look at them together and to know why she was there
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u/OverlyOptimisticNerd 1d ago
I actually saw an older man coming out of church with a MAGA hat.
People like that make me wish that heaven and hell were real.
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u/A911owner 21h ago
I like to direct those people to this article saying that Trump might be the antichrist. It makes them very uncomfortable:
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u/exjentric 20h ago
The problem is a lot of evangelical and pentecostal Christians WANT the antichrist to appear. Because the antichrist signals the end of days. They look forward to the end of days, because Christ will return to judge humanity, and of COURSE they're going to heaven.
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u/tablepennywad 22h ago
Not the first or last time the church preys on and protects those who prey on the young.
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u/woolcoat 23h ago
The super religious tend to be ok with exploiting young girls… many religions have very old views of women’s place in society and basically are ok with women bearing children soon after puberty.
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u/akainokitsunene 22h ago
I want to say, America, both south and north, seems especially fucked on that aspect. My Brazilian husband grew up in a cult where it ended up being that the pastor was raping his own teenage daughter.
I grew up in Europe where Christianity is mainly cultural. As in major holidays are important but no one would ever tell you you’d burn in hell because X or Y. In the US the evangelists seem actually batshit crazy a lot of the time, there seems to be a lot of indoctrination and a lot of internalised hate and shame taught ?
Makes me sad that this is what people see/experience as religion because it looks much more like evil than good for me, while spirituality is so important for the mind and soul.
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u/PTS_Dreaming 21h ago
Americans are the descendants of religious nutters that Europe didn't want because they were religious nutters. So it makes sense that some religious practices in the US would be more intense than is seen in Europe.
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u/Silvus314 18h ago
religiously persecuted, you mean. Because they wanted their religious beliefs to become the legal law of the land. So we have sent over 200 years teaching kids that their ancestors were persecuted (without going over what that persecution was). We basically taught "claim victumhood" and now the fucking nutters are trying to make religion law again.
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u/PTS_Dreaming 16h ago
After seeing the "religious persecution" that the modern evangelical Christians in the US cry about (ie. "Don't be a dick" and "no, we all don't want to be subject to your bullshit" ) I'm having serious doubts about that persecution claim.
In fact, does anyone remember, from history class, what that persecution was? I don't recall examples. I'm probably wrong though.
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u/Silvus314 15h ago
What the persecution was, was literally not taught in US history class. Just that they were religiously persecuted.
The persecution was in fact that the country governments wouldn't make their religious laws country laws. They were angry that they couldn't force their way of life on others. So they came to america, and genocided the indigenous people.
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u/BodhingJay 1d ago
The violence, coercion, intimidation into silence, and that some didnt survive the encounter is pretty damning
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u/HaggardHaggis 1d ago
At least they got Epsteins name right, cause the rest of the title is just wrong
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u/UniqueUserName7734 1d ago edited 1d ago
They’re not in a cockpit. They’re in the back of a bell 407. I don’t know if that really matters, but I felt the need to say it. (Release the Epstein files.)
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u/andyhenault 1d ago edited 17h ago
You sound like someone who has spent a lot of time around a 407.
Edit: To be clear, not accusing you of actually flying Epstein's helicopter. Just appreciate someone who can spot the aircraft type by looking at some obscure piece of it.
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u/sh1be 1d ago
It's true. I was the headset he's wearing.
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u/mouippai 1d ago
Did you clean it off first (asking the important questions)
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u/froli 1d ago
Actually, it's easier to get them on and off quickly if they are battered in baby oil.
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u/GonzoTheGreat22 23h ago
Finally, the Epstein/Diddy collab we’ve all been waiting for
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u/UniqueUserName7734 19h ago
I’m going to get killed for this comment, but I’ve spent around 4,000 hrs in the back of a 206/407 (not flying it.) It was not epstein’s 407 though…. I’ll tell you what else, if I had Epstein money I’d be riding in the back of an Augusta 109 Power, but it’s probably just some random taxi service he’s using.
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u/dmomo 1d ago
At this point, even if I did release them, could we actually believe that they are not tainted by the current administration, who would be doing said releasing of files?
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u/Stifu 1d ago
I think it's going to be hard to convincingly alter them (relevant video that explains how tampering could get detected). Also, so far they've covered things up pretty sloppily (e.g: Epstein's jail footage), so I expect that trend to continue.
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u/RedditsCoxswain 1d ago
I was under the impression that enough people have seen enough of the unredacted material that it’s simply unrealistic to fake the report
Or maybe he’s going to take a few people out that do know in order to send a message before he does it?
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u/Stifu 1d ago
I was under the impression that enough people have seen enough of the unredacted material that it’s simply unrealistic to fake the report
That's right.
Or maybe he’s going to take a few people out that do know in order to send a message before he does it?
What message would it send other than "I'm guilty"? And in the FBI only, 1000 agents have worked on various parts of the Epstein files. Too many people are involved in this. I think the main reason this has not completely blown up yet is that the majority of the FBI are Trump supporters. But the simple fact that we know 1000 agents have worked is already proof that there are cracks in the cover-up machine.
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u/hegemonistic 18h ago
It’s probably safer to have 1000 agents go through it than 10, because the more you’re able to compartmentalize the information the harder it is for any of those agents to truly have the full picture. They likely all only know little slivers of the most incriminating stuff a piece and so it may not look nearly as bad as it is to any one of them.
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u/Holovoid 19h ago
I think it's going to be hard to convincingly alter them
As if they couldn't just release them all with Donald Trump's name scribbled out in crayon and replaced with "Barack Obama" or whatever and the MAGA base wouldn't just lap it up like they've lapped up everything else this admin has puked out
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 21h ago
I dont think anything is gonna happen. This is like the latest copium to hope because people don't want to go to arms to bring about change. Look at the conservative subreddit where they see a pic like this and celebrate. Look at how the media, left or right, rarely ever bring up any kind of news that puts the evil people in a bad light. Its all over but I'm still gonna vote cuz I aint a bitch.
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u/Nkosi868 1d ago
I wish reporters and journalists would ask every politician this.
“If you were POTUS, would you release the Epstein files?”
Very curious to see who would dodge this question.
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u/chosonhawk 1d ago
nobody would dodge it...they just wouldnt do it when the time came. trump himself said hed release all of the files if elected.
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u/rabbitthunder 1d ago
Yeah I think the better question would be, 'what have you done to help get the Epstein files released?'
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u/celoteck 1d ago
"There are no files"
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u/jebjebitz 22h ago
“There are no files. And, the names on those files don’t belong there. The Democrats put those names on those files….that don’t exist. Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
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u/Grizmoh 1d ago
Did he release his tax returns like he promised to 117 times?
Did Mexico pay for the wall like he promised 228 times??
Did he end Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine within 24 hours like he said five times???
Did he “date” his daughter like he said… Oh wait, I don’t think he said “date.”
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u/AussieMommy 1d ago
The guy in charge ran on releasing the files, and look who hasn’t released them?
Seems like any sus mother fucker would just lie and say they’d release the files.
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u/Missue-35 1d ago
He sure did. And why would anyone believe him anyway. He doesn’t have a reliable history regarding the release or declassification of files. Ahem…tax returns, anyone?
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u/RandyPajamas 1d ago
He announced in late 2015 he was going to realease his taxes in two weeks - big press conference. Two weeks later, nothing. MAGA: but he DID release his taxes, I remember seeing him announce it!
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u/Missue-35 1d ago
They asked Trump and he said yes, he would release the files. So anyone can say one thing and do another at a later date. In fact, the propensity to do so is prerequisite to being a politician.
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u/prodigy1367 1d ago
Is this the same Jefferey Epstein who was best friends with current President of the United States, Donald J. Trump? That Jeffery Epstein?
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u/tfcocs 1d ago edited 21h ago
I wonder if Brock Allen Turner is their protege. Remember him? Brock Allan Turner, the convicted rapist who raped and got a light sentence?
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u/halosixsixsix 1d ago
Brock Allen Turner, the textbook definition of a rapist?
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u/jaaamesbaxterrr 1d ago
Brock Turner, the rapist who now lives in Dayton Ohio and goes by Allen Turner? That rapist Brock Turner?
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u/AllegedlyGoodPerson 1d ago
Maybe Brock Allen Turner, the rapist from Dayton Ohio, could get an apartment with Donald J. Trump the child rapist, best friend of Jefferey Epstein who currently lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. once all the Epstein files have been released without redaction.
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u/No_Device9450 1d ago
I think you’re referring to Brock Allen Turner, The Rapist?
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u/JoeEdwardsPonytail 1d ago
The Brock Turner that lives at 916 Acorn Dr in Oakwood,OH? (Source:The Ohio Sex Offender Registry)
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u/MrAnderson69uk 21h ago
How come Trump is not on the sex offenders registry, or is he??? What do you have to have done to get added?
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u/I_need_a_date_plz 1d ago edited 17h ago
I am delighted that after all these years we still call out
RAPIST Brock Allen Turner.
I hope that guy is rotting in a basement somewhere.
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u/zeprfrew 1d ago
I haven't heard about convicted rapist Brock Allan Turner in a while. Did you know that the rapist Brock Allan Turner was convicted of rape?
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u/TheHappiestTeapot 1d ago
the convicted rapist
Acktchually he was convicted of felony sexual assault (3 counts), but not rape. California (and probably some other people too) have updated their laws so that it would now be charged as rape; they added "digital penetration" to the rape laws.
He is a rapist, but that wasn't what his conviction was for.
And what was his punishment for those three felony sexual assault convictions?
On June 2, 2016, Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky sentenced Turner to six months in jail followed by three years of probation. Additionally, Turner was obliged to register as a sex offender for life and to complete a rehabilitation program for sex offenders.
That's it. He was released after 3 months for "good behavior". A month in jail and a year of probation per felonly sexual assault. Glad that judge got recalled.
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The conviction were for:
- sexual penetration (by a foreign object) of an unconscious woman
- sexual penetration (by a foreign object) of an intoxicated woman
- assault with intent to commit rape
The withdrawn charged were:
- rape of an intoxicated person
- rape of an unconscious person
God I hate that little fuck.
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u/Imaginary_Agent2564 14h ago
If it makes you feel better, the rapist Brock Allen Turner was convicted of actions the FBI clarifies to be rape.
The revised UCR definition of rape is: penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/rape
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u/decoded-dodo 1d ago
The one and the same Brock Allen Turner who now goes by Allen Turner.
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u/jswitzer 1d ago
What do Brock Allen Turner and Donald J Trump have in common? They're both convicted rapists.
Release the Epstein files
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u/justacheesyguy 1d ago
Unfortunately Trump hasn’t yet been convicted of rape, just sexual abuse. It’s a small but legally important distinction.
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u/gardengirl99 1d ago
It’s a very small distinction, as it’s only abuse because E. Jean Carroll couldn’t tell whether he penetrated her with his penis or his finger.
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u/SurlyRed 20h ago
Timely reminder that Trump couldn't get it up.
MAGA's alpha male suffers with Erectile Dysfunction. This is why "she's not my type".
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u/Jennyojello 1d ago
“Light sentence” is an understatement! Wow what a scumbag that dude is, and the judge too!
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u/Annual_Resolution_94 14h ago
I will always upvote a comment made against convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner. No skips!
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u/Tb5rats 1d ago
Jeff Epstein the New York financier?
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u/Zorlal 1d ago
He's dead?
Haha, nice try.
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u/Don_Pickleball 1d ago
I'll just call Ghislane
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u/sordidcandles 1d ago
Yes that’s the one! The same Donald J. Trump who was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein and who is now the current United States president in 2025! The pedophile in chief, Donald J Trump.
It would be such a shame if every time someone typed into a Google search the name “Donald J Trump” or “Donald trump” or “trump” or “maga” that this post and similar posts would appear talking about how he is a pedophile who used to fly around with renowned pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Such a shame that would be.
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u/Vascular_D 1d ago
Convicted felon appears to be licking his daughter. Very weird. Very creepy. Very Epstein-esque.
"Y DiDnT dUh DeMs ReLeEs DuH ePsTeEn FiLeS"
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
Verified Court Documents (JoshWho.net).
Documents - Verified Pre-Bondi (JoshWho.net) Trump is on page 85, or pdf page 80.
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story (YouTube.com).
Flight Logs (DocumentCloud.org)
——— Additional Trump & Epstein Information ———
Court Document of Trump & Epstein raping a 13 year old girl together (FactCheck.org). Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katie's testimony (YouTube.com).
Court affidavit from Katie (Politico.com)
Never forget Katie Johnson.
Trump admits to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show (YouTube.com)
Trump's promise to his daughter (HuffPost.com) “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Trump's modelling agency was probably part of Jeffrey's pipeline (MotherJones.com).
FBI agents were instructed to “flag” any documents that mentioned President Donald Trump (CNBC.com)
Great resource for all things related to Team Trumpstein and the scum protecting the rapist Tangerine Traitor: https://pdffileprotectorregistry.com/
Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too! Please copy and paste this elsewhere!
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u/willflameboy 22h ago
Remember how his most famous victim was taken from the President's house? And the president admitted it last month? And they have a rape suit of a 13 y.o. together? And Epstein trafficked Anouska De Georgiou to Donald Trump? And how Trump raped E Jean Carroll? And had a catch and kill arrangement to suppress rape stories? And how his lawyer went to jail for threatening a woman he fucked? And how he literally came out and said he liked to molest women and he could do it because he was rich? Yeah me too.
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u/Productof2020 19h ago
And had a catch and kill arrangement to suppress rape stories?
I don’t doubt it, but I haven’t heard this before. Have a story or court case link you could share?
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u/willflameboy 18h ago
https://www.newsweek.com/national-enquirer-60-trump-damaging-stories-ronan-farrow-catch-kill-1467445
There is a lot more from over the years.
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u/copperblood 1d ago
Friendly reminder that Trump is a child rapist. Release the Epstein files.
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u/PM_Me-Your_Freckles 1d ago
Release the UNREDACTED EPSTEIN FILES
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u/GrungeCheap56119 1d ago edited 15h ago
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
UNREDACTED https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List“ Here is the story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
Katie Johnson lawsuit (alleging Trump & Epstein r*ped her at age 13): Some people claim this one is a hoax… here’s the info for you to decide:
• Court Filing: https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf • Affidavit (Politico): https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-267d-dda3-afd8-b67d3bc00000 • Video of Katie’s testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq
Jeffrey Epstein and Israel both have the same lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Dershowitz says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on international stage | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
—————————other Trump information:
-Here's Trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY
-Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02
“I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
-Trump's modeling agency and alleged ties to Epstein’s recruitment pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
-Deep-dive timeline connecting the dots: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75
Never forget Katie Johnson.
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Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”. Treat it like a meme—copy it & repost it. Let the record stay public.
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u/Business_Lie9760 1d ago
FBI FOIA Vault:
https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein
Text version of the Flight Logs:
Epstein's Black Book:
https://www.gawkerarchives.com/here-is-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epsteins-little-b-1681383992
Epstein's OTHER Black Book:
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-other-little-black-book-2021-6
Epstein Undisputed Facts:
Guiffre Unsealed Documents:
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Giuffre-unseal.pdf
https://www.epsteinarchive.org/docs/giuffre-v-maxwell-unsealed/
Unsealed Epstein Documents:
https://archive.org/details/final-epstein-documents
Here’s a refined Master Index to help you navigate the key repositories of publicly available documents related to Jeffrey Epstein—beyond what you already know (Giuffre v. Maxwell, the Black Books, flight logs):
1. Miami Herald — Perversion of Justice Archive
- A landmark investigative series that reignited public scrutiny of Epstein’s 2008 plea deal and broader trafficking network (Miami Herald).
- The Herald has amassed a vast DocumentCloud library of relevant court filings, affidavits, deposition transcripts, and investigative materials labeled collectively as “Epstein Docs” (over 2,000 pages) (DocumentCloud).
- Notable standalone items include a 943-page “Epstein documents” collection, likely containing deposition excerpts or investigative reports (DocumentCloud).
2. DocumentCloud
A powerful public platform used by journalists and researchers, hosting voluminous Epstein-related materials:
- “Epstein Docs” — large, searchable repository (2,000+ pages) (DocumentCloud).
- Specific entries like “1.3.24 Epstein documents – 943 pages” — useful deep dives into particular filings, likely unsealed depositions or reports (DocumentCloud).
- Individual legal documents such as “Reiter Depo Vol. I” (transcript of former Palm Beach PD Chief Michael Reiter’s deposition from 2009) (DocumentCloud).
You can explore additional DocumentCloud searches using terms like “Epstein,” “Epstein deposition,” or “Reiter Epstein” to uncover more.
3. Court Filings & Litigation Beyond Giuffre v. Maxwell
- Doe v. United States (CVRA litigation): Victims challenged the constitutionality of Epstein’s 2008 non-prosecution agreement. Derived court documents partially available via DOJ’s Office of Professional Responsibility reports (Department of Justice).
- Other defamation or tax-related filings: DocumentCloud hosts other relevant case files, like Jean Robert Saint Jean v. Emigrant — though tangential, they reflect broader legal entanglements (DocumentCloud, DocumentCloud).
4. FBI / DOJ & FOIA Materials
- The FBI Vault has released over 2,000 pages of documents, including agent logs, interviews, and summary reports.
- Ongoing FOIA requests and investigative efforts (like those by MuckRock or POGO) continue to yield internal DOJ/FBI communications, evidence inventories, and case summaries. Miami Herald coverage frequently references such documents (Miami Herald, Vanity Fair).
- A DOJ Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) report (from February 2019) details how federal prosecutors handled the Epstein plea deal and victim notifications, offering excerpts and legal findings (Department of Justice).
5. DOJ Special Releases — “Epstein Files”
- In 2025, a partial release of “Epstein Files” occurred, including court motions, witness lists, subpoenas, and witness depositions — albeit with minimal new revelations (Vanity Fair, People.com).
- DOJ has now announced it will cease releasing further files, holding back grand jury materials, digital media, financial records, and more (Business Insider).
- Legislative and congressional developments around the disclosure remain in flux, with some documents currently being reviewed and redacted before possible release to the House Oversight Committee (AP News, The Guardian).
6. Service of Justice, FOIA, & Broader Reporting
- FOIA and watchdog projects (e.g., MuckRock, POGO) have surfaced internal correspondence, government review processes, and release decisions concerning Epstein investigations (Department of Justice, Vanity Fair).
- All of Julie K. Brown’s reporting and companion materials around Perversion of Justice are publicly available, with archives in both the MLB site and print formats (Miami Herald, Wikipedia).
Summary Table
Repository / Category Contents & Highlights Miami Herald / DocumentCloud Large “Epstein Docs” collections, depositions, investigative filings Specific DocumentCloud files 943-page doc, Reiter deposition, others Court filings (CVRA & others) Victim litigation vs. DOJ, deposition and motion documents FBI / DOJ releases & FOIA Vault files, internal reports, Gmail/email FOIAs, OPR investigations 2025 Epstein Files (DOJ releases) Partial releases: subpoenas, witness lists—but with key records withheld Watchdog archives & reporting Contextual reporting, FOIA-litigation archives, transparency project filings
How to Access
- Miami Herald site: Visit their Perversion of Justice topic page to access articles and DocumentCloud links (Miami Herald).
- DocumentCloud: Search for “Epstein Docs,” “Epstein deposition,” or similar to explore indexed documents (DocumentCloud).
- PACER (federal court filings): Look up DOJ or Virgin Islands civil dockets (e.g., CVRA or estate litigation).
- FBI Vault online: Search “Jeffrey Epstein” to find uploaded documents.
- News updates / watchdog sites: Use Business Insider, Guardian, Politico, etc., to track new releases or legal developments (Business Insider, The Guardian, People.com).
Let me know if you'd like me to compile direct links to some of these key files (e.g., the Reiter deposition, the “943-page document,” or OPR filings), or build an annotated directory of the most critical documents in each category.
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u/corbettaa 1d ago
Nice chest dust bunny
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u/BigDeuces 1d ago
is that his chest hair?? it looks like dryer lint
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u/pleasetrimyourpubes 1d ago
I think it's talcum powder after an oil or sweat sesh. Hard to get a shower in the plane, wet wipes wouldn't work that well, but a dusting sure would.
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u/Legitimate-Front3987 1d ago
*baby powder.
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u/pleasetrimyourpubes 1d ago
I initially wrote baby powder but I didn't think yall would take me seriously 😅
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u/coffeespeaking 1d ago
He was impressing the ladies with a pocket square crafted from the finest bellybutton lint. (Ghislaine swears he was always a gentleman.)
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u/Cartagraph 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do you guys think Jeffrey Epstein was charming? I mean I don't know anything about him other than the factual reports and court docs. But I feel like those always leave out some reality of the situation. About what a person is actually like when you're with them. I can't imagine money had everything to do with pulling so many people into his orbit (whether friends or victims). He must've been extremely charismatic to do what he did, with as many people as knew, from so many walks of life for so long.
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u/augustrem 1d ago edited 21h ago
Groomers usually are. Then the people around them who get a funny feeling or have doubt or suspect something will feel out of place for speaking up because the abuser is so well liked.
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u/PrincessTitan 1d ago
You put that so perfectly because this is exactly what happens. It’s the most distressing thing that they’ve managed to concoct such a persona that you could look crazy for speaking up. They’re very good at it.
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u/_Chaos_Star_ 1d ago
Exactly right. It's also a common tactic for such abusers to get some pics of the victim smiling before abusing them, so that they can leak smiling pictures to discredit the victim.
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u/TetraDax 1d ago
feel out of place speaking up because the abuser is so well liked.
This is a very important thing about Epstein, he was probably the single most well-connected man in celebrity circles in the 90s. He knew everybody, and everybody knew him, and that enabled him to do all this shit in plain sight - Because all these partys he threw were in fact not just attended by pedophiles like the current sitting US president; all the celebrities of the time were there. Stephen Hawking was there for Christs sake.
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u/randombubble8272 1d ago
It’s all part of the grooming process. You need to be charming and well liked for people to allow you in close proximity with their vulnerable children, unless they’re also pedophiles which a lot of them were
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u/YerBbysDaddy 14h ago
I was the idiot (never found out if there were others) who was not adamant about expressing how I felt about a guy who I knew there was something very wrong with. Everyone else was shocked when he turned out to be a predatory fuck. It was awful and I still kick the shit out of myself for it. Never again. I had absolutely nothing concrete to tell my friends/everyone around him. Just strong feelings and absolute did not trust him. He was fake and extremely off and I eventually started to think maybe I was just nuts for thinking/feeling it. I only told a couple people and could have pushed harder even if it made me seem crazy.
Fuck these disgusting pieces of shit.
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u/marcosro 1d ago
From one interview in a netflix doc, a woman that met him at a hotel bar said he was extremely charismatic.
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u/BruschettiFreddy 1d ago
So was Ted Bundy, and we know what kind of guy he was.
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u/bonelessbonobo 1d ago
The older I get the more wary of charismatic people I become.
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u/iWasAwesome 1d ago
Lol... well, self-kept quiet people shoot up schools, so, I don't think you should really judge anyone on their introvert/extrovert character.
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u/Diligent_Whereas3134 1d ago
So the key is to be suspicious of everyone. Cool, already got it covered.
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u/ico12 1d ago
Not surprising really, that is pretty much the requirement to be able to befriend a lot of powerful figures. Like his relationship with the Saudi prince for example, with Eipstein being an allegedly Mossad agent and all that
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u/Fit_Strength_1187 1d ago
Maxwell seemed to be the same way. Her proffer transcripts were fascinating, how easily she rattled off names, time periods, events, relationships, jobs, etc. Even if there are self serving lies in there, I couldn’t retain half of this level of info.
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u/Nihilamealienum 1d ago
I'm sure he was charming in his way.
Charming is a morally neutral trait. You can be incredibly charming and be an utterly irredeemable piece of shit
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u/Excusemytootie 1d ago
Charm is an incredibly important and often, well-honed tool in the sociopath tool box.
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u/Reserved_Parking-246 1d ago
That applies to everyone though.
Being able to convince people your opinions matter or that you are worthy of their time in any measure is incredibly valuable.
Humans are social creatures.
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u/BeefistPrime 1d ago
You certainly have, they just didn't fit how you define "sociopath." Most of them are stupid and impulsive, not Hannibal Lector.
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u/PunctualMantis 1d ago
Oh absolutely he was charismatic. Idk why anyone would think otherwise. Although he was best friends with Donald trump and trump seems like a genuinely horrendous person to be around
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u/prodigy1367 1d ago
Apparently Trump is very charismatic and charming. Charisma doesn’t equate to good or bad. Lots of evil people are extremely charismatic.
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u/PunctualMantis 1d ago
Oh absolutely. Idk if I would use the word charming for trump though but definitely would use charismatic. Idk though cuz to me, every time Trump opens his mouth both his narcissism and his stupidity are dripping from every word. But enough people are obsessed with him to say that he is undoubtedly charismatic. It’s honestly got me semi-convinced he’s actually the antichrist (even though I’m an agnostic) since it seems like everyone’s under his spell somehow.
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u/Excusemytootie 1d ago
Me too, and I don’t even believe in that stuff. But I’m starting to really wonder.
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u/statistician88 1d ago
"charming" and "charismatic" are subjective so I absolutely think his cult followers find him to be those things. He's so fucking stupid and idk how it isn't obvious to every one.
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u/Richard_Thickens 1d ago
He's perceived to be a lot of things, and that seems to be the problem. Those are usually also the people who think that vocabulary beyond an elementary level gives the impression of pretension. They want communications to be brief and simple, as if that makes them any more transparent.
I also think that anyone who finds him charismatic, at least from his recent public depiction, is emotionally-stunted. "Charisma," expressed as condescending, borderline (and sometimes entirely) hostile ranting is no more truly charismatic than the bully who takes it easy on the kids who pretend to be their friends. Realistically, a typical dictator or cult leader would have so much more true charisma than Trump, but his bullshit somehow sneaks past so many detectors. It's wild.
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u/Mort-i-Fied 1d ago
Epstein seemed like he could be charming but donald just seems like a first rate sleazeball that normal people only tolerated because he had money.
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u/SebastianFast 23h ago
Are you forgetting we have all heard him speak? I will admit charm is subjective to a degree but who is Donny charming? Also, giving people money is not charming them...
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u/francmartins 1d ago
I'm not saying you're calling him charismatic but I will never understand why people call him that. Before and during his first term he actually had some kind of energy but more akin to that of a clown that sometimes entertained because of his bufoonish comments and behaviour. Now he doesn't even has that, he always looks bored out of his fucking mind, his posture is very often curved and rumpled. For all his faults, Obama had actual charisma, which I think is something more gracious and subdued.
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u/ASMills85 1d ago
I don’t actually know the answer, but almost for sure. People like this usually are…
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u/hellolovely1 1d ago
Probably. Ted Bundy was also supposed to be charming.
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u/Admirable_Count989 1d ago
Well spoken, calm and respectful demeanour, eye contact, body language and facial expressions to suit the tone of the conversation. Shows empathy to your own position during exchange of views. …Serial killer. 😵💫
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u/Splinter_Amoeba 1d ago
He wasnt personally going out picking girls up. He had modeling agencies do that for him, then they'd fly over and give him "massages." Most of the girls they found were from shitty neighborhoods where his wealth spoke loudly. A lot of the times the girls were convinced that they were being given a great oppertunity.
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u/greenrangerguy 1d ago
Even in this photo she is having a great time, I don't know her story but I imagine his good looks (reminds me of Richard Gere in a silver haired well off man kind of way) and his money would lure in his victims. Underneath that was a monster and it's super scary to think about.
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u/friendofelephants 1d ago
Sorry he is not good looking. He has a weird Neanderthal/chimpanzee mouth.
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u/phylter99 1d ago
I just want to note that just because someone is seen smiling like this in a photo doesn't mean they are not a victim. She was young and not even legally of age to make the decision to do what they made her do. She had no idea the implications or long lasting impact of it. Also, people put on a good face when they know they're being watched.
I know most people here will know this, but I just wanted to put it out there for the few that might not.
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u/Do_itsch 1d ago
He had the same look with closed eyes in that picture when he was sitting on the table with Trump and Ivanka + one of her brothers standing there. You dont have to guess twice what he is thinking about with that look.
Sometimes i believe Trump was teasing Epstein with his kids on that picture. They are/were both monsters.
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u/Virtual-Nose7777 1d ago
Why do Conservatives protect pedos, criminals, and liars?
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u/Competitive_Month967 1d ago
Because conservatives are obsessed with power dynamics and hierarchies. Beating up and abusing the weak and vulnerable are A-1 activities to assert their dominance.
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u/Schlaueule 1d ago
I think it all boils down to empathy. I consider myself moderately left and the main idea about it is, that other people should have a good life too, even if I don't know them, will most likely never meet them or if they are quite different than me. That't why, for example, I'm for equal rights for black people, homosexuals or women although I'm a white heterosexual man. That's why I gladly pay taxes to have schools funded with them, even though I don't have children. That's why I pay a bit more to buy fair trade coffee, so some farmer in Africa or South America can have a somewhat better life. That's why I try to produce little environmental pollution, so people in 100 years can live nicely on this planet as well. That's also why I don't molest children, because I can very well imagine what an absolutely horrible experience it must be for them. This kind of thinking is completely foreign to right wingers and most conservatives, and is mostly ridiculed by them or even met with anger and hatred if you even suggest it to them.
So yeah, they hate people who expect a bit of decency from them and protect the ones that don't.
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u/Slight-Novel4587 1d ago
Jeffrey Epstein the rapist who was friends with Donald Trump the rapist? Or Jeffrey Epstein the pedophile who was friends with Donald Trump the pedophile?
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u/Schoseff 23h ago
Not fun fact: number of newspapers or TV shows that point out the facts Trumps pedo past and actively ask real questions: Zero
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u/Absurdity-is-life-_- 1d ago
It’s crazy that assholes like him and other perps will get off scott free. It’s like the saying “Some trees flourish, others die. Some cattle grow strong, others are taken by wolves. Some men are born rich enough and dumb enough to enjoy their lives. Ain’t nothing fair.” There is no justice in this world.
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u/Ok_Garbage_7253 1d ago
He deserved to rot in jail. But being murdered by your ex-associates so you’ll stay silent isn’t exactly scott free.
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u/lysergic_818 1d ago
Why tf are these weirdos and rapists taking a plethora of pictures? To get off later? A sick obsession with collecting trophies?
Either way....they can suck a big fat pp. Jabronis.
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u/Acrobatic-Flan-4626 1d ago
They were confident they would suffer no consequence.
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u/lysergic_818 1d ago
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All I know is these fuckers are playing a way different game than the average citizen.
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u/italian_mobking 16h ago
In before the republicans state, “How can she be a victim when she’s clearly smiling and having a good time…”
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u/unmossy88 1d ago
May I ask, where did the parents believe their daughters were during their time wherever they were with these asshole?
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u/Choice-of-SteinsGate 1d ago
Trump is desperately trying to sweep this scandal under the rug. His administration is still trying to manufacture a separate scandal that accuses Obama of "treason," while Trump's deputy AG (and former personal lawyer) is orchestrating a cover up with Ghislaine Maxwell by offering her limited immunity/clemency to facilitate her cooperation with the government.
Trump even sued the WSJ for releasing the infamous birthday letter to Epstein:
The letter reportedly concludes: "Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret."
Trump's supporters are refusing to acknowledge his involvement and instead are either shrugging their shoulders or attempting to rationalize why the most obvious conclusion is the least likely.
Fox News deliberately edited Trump's response during an interview when he was asked if he would release the "Epstein client list."
Trump's initial response:
"Yeah, I think we should release it. People deserve to know."
Fox left out his follow up:
"But you have to understand, there’s a lot of lies in that list. A lot of names that shouldn’t be there. You don’t want to ruin innocent lives."
Even outside of this Epstein controversy, Trump has been accused of sexual abuse, harassment or rape by dozens of women dating back to the 70s—particularly women on the "younger side."
A book published in 2019 titled "All the President's Women" speaks of at least 43 allegations—one of them from Trump's first wife.
These women have described Trump forcibly groping them; grabbing them inappropriately and kissing them without consent.
Former Miss TEEN USA contestants claimed that Trump would unexpectedly walk into their dressing rooms. One of the girls alleges that she remembers Trump saying, “Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.” The youngest girl was 15 at the time.
In an April 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show, when asked about Miss USA and Miss Universe, Trump said he would go backstage before beauty pageant shows, the only man in the room while the women were “standing there with no clothes.” As the owner, “I sort of get away with things like that,” he added.
Samantha Holvey, a former Miss USA contestant, told CNN that when she competed in 2006, Trump personally inspected each contestant, looking at them from head to toe like “sexual objects,” which made her feel “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.”
Other incidents include:
Jessica Leeds, [who] told The New York Times in 2016 that, in the late 1970s, Trump, who was a stranger to her, reached his hand up her skirt and grabbed her breasts on a flight to New York. She said he “was like an octopus” and his “hands were everywhere."
One woman claimed that Trump tried to rape her in his daughters bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
Reporter Natasha Stoynoff describes an incident when she was alone with Trump where he "closed the door and pushed her against the wall before 'forcing his tongue down [her] throat.'" She was interviewing Trump for a story about his marriage to Melania.
There's always the Stormy Daniels case and the "Hollywood access tape," scandals that should have ended his political career. But in a desperate move after the hot mic incident, Trump staged a surprise press conference where he paraded four women around in front of reporters, each of them alleging that Bill Clinton abused them. Trump had the audacity to "praise their courage."
That same year, multiple women came forward speaking out against Trump. In response, Trump called them "horrible, horrible liars."
Judge Kaplan clarified recently that the jury's findings in the E Jean Carroll case align with the common understanding of rape. In other words, Trump was found by a jury to have raped E Jean Carroll.
Then there's the case involving the plaintiff "Katie Johnson", filed multiple times in 2016—all suspiciously dismissed.
The accuser was set to appear at a news conference later that year, but her attorney claimed that she had been receiving death threats and was too afraid to attend.
The case alleges that both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein made the plaintiff into a "sex slave" at the age of 13 and forced her to perform sexual and depraved acts.
Trump and Epstein had a very close, friendly and social relationship starting in the late 80s. They were both prominent figures in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were often seen together at social events and parties. Photos and videos show the two together at Mar-a-Lago, laughing and ogling at women.
In an interview in 2002, Trump said of Epstein:
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
In 2005, police searched Epstein's Palm Beach Mansion and found message books containing the names and numbers of high profile people, including Trump.
Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein's most vocal accusers, claimed that she was recruited into Epstein's sex trafficking ring while working at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre sadly "died by suicide" back in April.
Maria Farmer, another reported Epstein victim, went to police twice back in the 90s to complain about Epstein's sexual abuse of girls and young women. She brought up Trump's name both times, and not just because of his close relationship with Epstein, but also because of an alarming encounter she had with Trump at Epstein's New York office:
She told the authorities that late one night, Mr. Epstein unexpectedly called her to his offices in a luxury building in Manhattan, and she arrived in running shorts.
Mr. Trump then arrived, wearing a business suit, and started to hover over her.
Ms. Farmer said she recalled feeling scared as Mr. Trump stared at her bare legs. Then Mr. Epstein entered the room, and she recalled him saying to Mr. Trump: “No, no. She’s not here for you.”
It wasn't until Epstein's arrest and death in 2019 that Trump publicly stated that he wasn't "a fan" of Epstein.
After Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest in 2020, Trump appeared to show sympathy for her at a press briefing:
“I just wish her well, frankly. I’ve met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is."
According to flight logs released during Maxwell's trial, Trump has flown on the "Lolita Express" at least seven times.
Then there's Michael Wolff, a journalist who has interviewed Trump and had insider access to him and the White House.
Wolff claims that Trump once considered a pardon for Maxwell because he was worried that she might "spill secrets."
Wolff obtained audio recordings in 2017 of Epstein claiming that Trump and Melania's first sexual encounter took place aboard his private jet.
On his podcast, Fire and Fury, Wolff stated that Epstein once showed him several photographs of Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion, sitting around the pool with topless young girls, some reportedly sitting in Trump's lap.
Wolff described Trump and Epstein as "joined at the hip" for nearly 15 years. Both men have confirmed their close friendship together, they even shared the same women.
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u/TableSignificant341 1d ago
Just a reminder that we don't need the Epstein files. All we have to do is believe the women and girls who stated what Epstein, Maxwell and Trump did to them.
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u/GlasgowRose2022 20h ago
Just reading about how Epstein destroyed her—depraved and sickening. That poor girl in the photo, and woman now…
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u/ChanelNo50 1d ago
He's so ugly I can't even.
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u/KaleidoscopePlusPlus 1d ago
ehh guy isnt ugly at all. you know the context behind him so you view him more negatively.
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u/Koshekuta 1d ago
Were their parents poor? I know they were likely manipulated but what was being sold to get so many kids to visit this wealthy old man’s island?
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u/Vhu 1d ago
I was Donald Trump’s closest friend for 10 years
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
Anybody still making excuses for the dude is straight-up gross inside.
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u/False_Day_7393 1d ago
Here is her court filing against him. https://www.vicourts.org/common/pages/DisplayFile.aspx?itemId=16239693