r/pics • u/Aggravating_Day5330 • 8h ago
"Harrowing images of 19th century slaves in America are colorized for the first time in 2021" [OC]
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u/LuckyDigit 8h ago
Anyone who proudly hangs a confederate flag is a traitor and a fool.
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u/Mysterious_Bag_9061 7h ago
I can do you one better. My mom proudly sports a confederate flag tattoo, with a banner wrapped around it that says "heritage not hate"
She's Canadian. She's never travelled outside of Canada.
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u/v32010 7h ago
Mostly fool. If you talk to a lot of them, they don't associate it with the civil war or slavery.
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u/Ninac5 7h ago
Of course some of them are not going to openly admit they’re racist. They’re going to pretend it’s about “heritage” and “state’s rights” without elaborating further because they don’t want to be judged for what they obviously support. It’s yet another way to whitewash history and make atrocities more palatable.
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u/v32010 7h ago
Not really, and I think you're giving them way too much credit to even think about it. Its more like
I am from the south, my family is from the south, that flag represents the south, I will hang that flag
Tons of black southerners fly that flag too, and I don't think they're pretending. Fuck, Canadians fly the flag because they think they align with southern culture.
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u/Ninac5 7h ago
If you genuinely think it’s that simple, I completely disagree with you. And to suggest that there are “tons” of black people who proudly fly the confederate flag is strange- do you have any actual examples of “tons” of black southerners flying the confederate flag? That flag represents upholding slavery whether they acknowledge that openly or not is irrelevant. That’s just a fact.
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u/v32010 7h ago
Data? No, just anecdotal experience in the south.
Check out Andre 3000's belt buckle
In an interview with Vibe magazine at the time, André 3000 explained that he wore the buckle as an expression of "Southern pride and to rebel".
I know it is a lot easier to just label them racists, a lot of them are. But a lot of them are just ignorant to it or don't associate it that way.
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u/duncandun 7h ago
I spent 20 something years in the south and saw thousands of confederate flags none of which were being flown by black people lol
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u/v32010 7h ago
I'm glad your anecdotal experience doesn't mimic mine I guess 🤷♂️ you literally just replied to a comment that shows at least 1
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u/duncandun 7h ago
Is that your single example?
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u/v32010 7h ago
Is there a reasonable number of examples that would change this conversation?
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u/Ninac5 7h ago
It’s easy to feign ignorance because then they don’t have to admit how malicious it is to be flying a confederate flag. Wrapping racism up in “heritage” and “southern pride” , it’s exactly what hate groups always do to make their beliefs seem more palatable to everyday people. And Andre 3000 doesn’t represent “tons” of black southerners flying the confederate flag as you stated before.
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u/v32010 7h ago
Would I have to list and source every black person who has associated with the flag for you to not be this way? You refuse to even acknowledge this being a possibility when I have given you actual evidence of it. It really is pointless engaging people like you.
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u/Ninac5 7h ago
You were the one who said “tons” of black southerners fly the confederate flag with nothing but your own claim to support that. No evidence to back that up. Why would I believe your own claim that “tons” of black southerners fly the confederate flag without any evidence to support that? I’m just supposed to take your word for it and call it a day 😂.
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u/v32010 7h ago
What evidence would satisfy you? Do you not think that one of the biggest rappers at the time using the flag isn't indicative of the culture he was apart of? Was his reasoning not the exact same reason I gave? Do you think any of the people around him said anything about it?
My apologies if you don't have any experience in the south. The US doesn't currently take a census for this data yet for me to provide you with a list of names.
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u/sreek4r 6h ago
People love to interpret things in a way that suits their narrative that are in complete contrast to the source.. nazi flags, the Bible, Quran, etc. It's what humans have done since the beginning of time and is the lowest hanging fruit to give meaning to their lives. Calling them fools while they claim superiority over you using these ideals is giving them an easy pass. They know exactly what they're doing and they just don't care what you think.
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u/kooshipuff 4h ago
I grew up around these people. They definitely associate it with the civil war (and often a belief that, someday, there will be another one), but it's true that they don't really mention slavery..or get very specific about why they want another civil war / what they expect to get out of leaving the union. They're also usually not super educated and probably have no idea what that would actually look like.
My guess: they're probably not super big fans of the federal government ruling that more people have rights and stuff.
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u/Brave_Ad906 7h ago
If you knew the truth you would think otherwise. America gained its independence from England in 1776 and less then 100 years later in 1861 the civil war started. Over 1/3 of the union army (500,000 plus) soldiers were foreign born. Over 50,000 soldiers from Great Britain came to fight for the union army. The Union army got most of their weapons from England. Could it be a possibility that this was another attempt for England to conquer America? As I stated in a prior comment, the civil war couldn’t have been about freeing the slaves or they wouldn’t have introduced the 13th amendment the year after the war ended which allowed poor African Americans to be arrested for petty crimes and enslaved to the prison system.
Native Americans even fought in the civil war on the side of the confederacy. If you take some time and ask the right questions you will quickly realize that this war was not about freeing the slaves.
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u/Valirys-Reinhald 7h ago
I can't tell if you are trolling or are if you are uneducated. Hopefully its the latter.
Anyway, go read the letters and statements made by the confederates regarding their motives.
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u/BlindWillieJohnson 7h ago edited 7h ago
I am impressed by how stupid this comment. Like top 5 dumbest I’ve ever read here, and that is an achievement. It’s wrong on at least six different levels.
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u/No_Garage_4232 7h ago
That is not true. Private citizens from Great Britain volunteered for both sides but Great Britain didn't take an official stance. They did continue to buy cotton from the south in exchange for weapons.
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u/molkien 7h ago
What relevance does the fact that Native Americans fought on the side of Confederacy have to the idea of the civil war not being about slavery in your mind? The Native Americans weren’t the source of slaves and themselves kept slaves themselves (which was abolished after the war).
The 13th amendment was passed in large part as a compromise to keep the union together, and there is tons of evidence that makes this clear for anyone who wants to “know”. The idea that the civil war couldn’t possibly have been fought over slavery (for which the evidence is overwhelming) because after the war a law was passed that continued to allow the exploitation of black people is non-sensical.
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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 8h ago
But according to Prager U slavery wasnt that bad.
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u/MikeMiau 3h ago
When I was a teenager, I thought PragerU was such a good source of information, especially on American topics. After 16/17 years old, I realised how biased and far from reality their videos actually are...
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 3h ago
Shit, when Dennis Prager announced Prager U and announced it would provide an "online course for american traditional values" I cringed.
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u/MikeMiau 3h ago
Yeah I can't remember which video made me think it was a good source of information
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 3h ago
Well the whole premise was falsely presenting as an educational resource that was "neutral" but in reality hardcore right wing propaganda. I vaguely remember the term "alternative facts" being used at some point
That shit premiered when I was in my 20s and thinking "Who the fuck is falling for this shit"
Well, children and teenagers, the goal of these organizations is to indoctrinate the youth to control the next generation of adults
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u/MikeMiau 3h ago
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. I think they got me with some mild stuff, but I quickly realised when watching it a bit more how "neutral" they really are.
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u/Parzivalrp2 1h ago
do you know John Prager supports incest? boy was my history teacher embarrassed when I said that one to the class after he showed a presentation about "finding good online sources" that said prageru was trustworthy, along with other very wrong things such as: ".org domains are always good"
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u/GodzillaUK 8h ago
Look at all those life skills etched into his back, he never wore a suit or said thank you. /s
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u/slizzbizness 4h ago
God forbid he did wear a suit and it be beige! Then we might have to question his citizenship
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u/whoibehmmm 8h ago
According to Republicans, that first guy was much better off suffering that way than dying. Whew, lucky him!
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u/lonestarr357 7h ago
Anyone who believes that African-Americans benefited from slavery ought to have a mouthful of shotgun and a toe on the trigger.
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u/Senior_Pension3112 7h ago
Republicans are bringing it back
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u/gabriel1313 8h ago
Apparently, there’s a trend on the internet rn that slavery wasn’t as bad as it’s made out to be. The majority of the evidence at hand, and synthesized, for and by historians would disagree; however, Roll, Jordan Roll by Eugene D. Genovese is an academic example that seems to make that claim. Genovese himself is an interesting person as well.
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u/AnakinsSandObsession 6h ago
Never forget, this is what conservatives want to bring back, and worse. They're sub human filth who want to torture others like in the pictures above.
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u/jorrylee 5h ago
Could someone explain the second and third photos to me to educate me? The scarring is obvious in the first photo. What am I not seeing in the other two? I can’t see well right now.
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u/turningsteel 6h ago
Fuck anyone pushing the “slavery isn’t bad” narrative. Don’t let them rewrite history or we are doomed to make the same mistakes again.
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u/Brave_Ad906 8h ago
It’s wild to me how most people don’t know the history of slavery and think our government fought the civil war to end slavery. Most people don’t know that the 13th amendment was introduced the year after it ended, which ended up allowing poor African Americans to be arrested for petty crimes and enslaved to the prison system. Slaves of the prison system worked the mines and built the railroads and still worked in farming and agriculture and were treated horrifically.
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u/CheckMateFluff 8h ago
No, it was because Europe and France were actually looking to help the south. After all, they wanted all the trade to continue, Lincoln, seeing that he was losing the war, decided, with the help of an advisor, to change the meaning of the war to freeing slaves.
Now that the war was "salvery vs freedom," the countries across the water decided not to help the South, and the South lost.
And let's be real, the Civil War was over states' rights, state rights to what? Keep slaves.
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u/GenerallyDull 8m ago
The guy on the left was whipped by his own community after trying to kill his wife.
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u/itsjustmejttp123 8h ago
“But slavery wasn’t that bad. They learned skills” fuck how is this the reality we are living in when the AH in the WH truly believes that bs.