That's like calling the normal bathroom figures ableist because not every woman or man has two arms or two legs. Well, yes, some people are excluded, but it clearly isn't maliciously. They are excluded so that the imagery isn't overcomplicated. If there was some allusion to trans people, I have no idea how you could integrate it into a simple visual gag.
Trans women don’t all have vaginas. Trans men don’t have all have dicks. They use the bathroom for their chosen gender same as everyone else. It’s not that hard to just say men and women without the stupid little graphic. Since it’s a single stall, it’s not that big a deal, but it’s still insidious. I don’t understand how YOU don’t understand this simple concept. I guess people really do struggle with seeing past their own nose. It doesn’t have to be malicious. A lot of racism isn’t malicious either. Still racism.
The little graphic is dumb but a little funny. I really don't understand how it is insidious. You didn't respond to my point. So, are you saying that the normal bathroom images are ableist, because they don't include everyone?
Your “point” wasn’t really worth answering bc it was disingenuous and it has an insanely obvious answer that I know you won’t listen to. Let’s give it a try to see if you can even absorb this. They didn’t have to add the graphic. By adding the graphic, they made it bad. Using your example it’s like instead of just leaving it as a normal sign, they added a “we don’t like disabled people” comic strip to it.
So.... You ignored my point because it is wrong, and I wouldn't listen to your rebuttal. Got it. You continued debating with me, without addressing my point. Because you didn't have faith that your rebuttal would change my mind? And now you are attacking my intelligence, when I have been perfectly cordial and have never resorted to using an ad hominem.
Great.
Maybe, instead of assuming I am stupid because I haven't changed my mind, when you have made no attempt to address my main points, just... Say what to you is so 'obvious', because to me it isn't obvious. It is intellectual cowardice to insult me instead of expanding on your points. Do better.
A 'we don't like disabled people comic strip' cannot possibly compare to this example. Such a comic strip would reference disabled people. This graphic never mentions trans people in the slightest.
The normal bathroom signs are more comparable. Because they don't mention and belittle disabled people, all they do is exclude them, for the sake of being more simplified and easy to understand. Just because a simple joke doesn't take into consideration a portion of trans people, doesnt mean it is harmful. Jokes and symbols ren't supposed to be perfectly logical and have no loopholes- they are just supposed to be understandable. You can say 'technically this visual gag is wrong because trans people exist' and yeah, fair point. But it'd be wrong to say that it is transphobic.
Is the phrase 'on the other hand' offensive because amputees exist?
No one bullies amputees because everyone realizes that’s a horrible thing to do. People bully trans people. Big difference. Also, you’re just proving what I said. This is why I don’t engage with inane points like that because I just get a full essay back that essentially says, “I don’t get it so I’m just gonna waste your time by being dismissive”. The way you said it already proves that you’ve checked out.
Not everything is about you and your personal life. I’m a happier person when I’m standing up for the marginalized instead of hiding my head in a hole because my precious fragile sense of self is being challenged. Little things like this build up and grow into the violence we see today. If you’re too dumb to realize that, that’s not my problem.
If they could directly talk to me and give me a good reason to stop, I will. But right now I see it as an obvious example of how transphobia is constantly encouraged and seen as normal, and calling it out will make it less normal. The fact that so many people don’t understand proves that it’s needed. I haven’t heard a single argument that couldn’t be boiled down to “I don’t want to think about it and you’re making me uncomfortable”. Not good enough.
That’s not the left. That’s a troll. They’re like PETA. Officially, they exist as an animal rights organization; in actuality they’re compromised of the most unhinged animal rights supporters and those who want to undermine actual animal rights activists.
Not a troll. I stand up for what’s right. And jokes are supposed to be funny and interesting, not boring rehashes of stereotypes that are centuries old.
I’ve looked up your history. All you do is look for reasons to be offended. You’d be a lot happier if you stopped trying to find malice where there isn’t any.
Well that's going to exclude trans guys who need a cubicle, but also cis guys who need a cubicle, so how would that work? I've never come across one that only has urinals unless there's another room with cubicles next to it.
No, they were making a strawman argument that doesn't work on the same logic as the other comment was using. Saying "Well if this second thing isn't transphobic then that first thing can't be transphobic either" is not pointing out flaws in their logic.
I mean that’s fair. I don’t see how it’s sexist though. And ultimately it seems like their hearts may have been in the right place given that these are on a single door, which seems to indicate a unisex bathroom. Obviously still gendered though and neutral would be better, but nothing that I think is hostile
I mean, it gets the point across and isn't using clothes to do it, so I'd say it's actually slightly more trans inclusive than a normal one, despite the generalized terminology. Gotta pick our battles, ya know how it goes
Nah, man, if you're gonna try to troll liberals, you gotta understand how they think and what they care about. It's never the image and identity stuff that actually drives the responses you're thinking of. You gotta think of it on terms of the consequences of the thing, not the thing itself.
Like take Jan 6th vs what's happening in LA. On the surface, there are some similarities. A violent minority, damage to civil property, etc. But the reason people on the left, by and large, were bothered by Jan 6 and not this, is the expressed intent of that violent majority, and the consequences of that irings.
The violent people in Jan 6 were largely Q anon with a sprinkling of white power groups, and their stated intent was a) to stop the confirmation of Biden, and b) to murder democrats and rinos. The consequences world have been mass murder and a the end of American democracy as we know it, and possibly a civil war.
In LA, the people are largely citizens of LA, and with the exceptions of some looters taking advantage of the chaos (like every time stuff like this happens), the stated intent is to kick ice out of the state. The consequences of this will be deportations happening with due process and human decency again.
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u/He_Never_Helps_01 Jun 12 '25
I mean