r/pointlesslygendered • u/andreamp0 • 7d ago
LOW EFFORT MEME Of course boys don't want respect, honor, protection and care [meme]
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u/Riotsi 7d ago
This is sad
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u/Squishy_Black_Thing 6d ago edited 6d ago
But true
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u/RandomUsernameNo257 6d ago
Is it though? Are you actually saying that a man’s only requirement is literally just a greeting?
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u/somedave 6d ago
Some men certainly.
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u/Famous-Ability-4431 3d ago
And some women.
Like... Women like sex if it's good and if they're sexual...
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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 5d ago
I think it’s fair to say that there’s a cultural trend in the direction of men developing feelings for women simply because those women pay attention to them. A lot of reasons for it but I think it happens enough to be reasonable to remark on
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u/Blue__Ronin 3d ago
its connoting that men have a much more simple and basic vetting process when it comes to figuring out if the date is right for them.
Like, you don't need any net positives. Just don't have any net negatives (though in this day & age, some of the net negatives turn men on for some reason)
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u/PsychologicalCow1382 2d ago
Yes. Because modern women are pieces of shit to such a degree that men are not allowed to even ask for anything more than that.
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u/RandomUsernameNo257 2d ago
Keep spouting manosphere nonsense and see if it ever makes your life better.
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u/Ashbashfash 6d ago
You’re right. They’re just so simple and stupid. They’re basically dogs.
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u/Squishy_Black_Thing 6d ago
We are even worse than dogs
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u/QuietLife5023 5d ago
How’s the picking going bro? Did anyone pick you?
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u/Squishy_Black_Thing 5d ago
No one even wants to look at me, why would anyone pick me
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u/Omnisegaming 7d ago
I think this is a dumb meme but it very clearly says "impress" and not "want".
The point it's making is that men are impressed when women approach them, while women are approached all the time by men and thus expect much more and specific things to be impressed.
You can disagree or claim it's pointlessly gendered but I ask you at least treat the stupid memes with baseline thoughtfulness.
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u/Buddy-Matt 6d ago
This sub would run out of content if people didn't badly extrapolate every meme they came across
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u/Individual-Nose5010 6d ago
I mean… no.
Not only can I refute this with my own experience but said meme relies heavily on a heteronormative and amatonormativity
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u/Omnisegaming 6d ago
Disagreeing is fine I disagree with it too. But we should not pretend it says something it doesn't.
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u/Key-Month6651 3d ago
The issue with trying to refute it with your own experiences and saying it relies on heteronormativity is that heteronormativity is unfortunately, still the common experience and the norm.
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u/Thykothaken 6d ago
Not only can I refute this
Refute what?
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u/Individual-Nose5010 6d ago
The meme
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u/SlumberingKirin 5d ago
Their point wasn't predicated on refuting the meme. Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?
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u/Appropriate-Sea-5687 6d ago
How to want a boy?
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u/Omnisegaming 6d ago
Greatly
I meant, like, what a boy/girls wants, it'd be a different grammatical structure. Which means OP has less excuse misunderstanding the meme.
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u/xxZebraBirdxx 7d ago
Talk about male loneliness without pitting men and women against each other challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
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u/gramerjen 7d ago
I agree, loneliness is a general population issue and those who act like only men feel lonely should be called out and vice versa
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u/Glad-Way-637 6d ago
those who act like only men feel lonely should be called out and vice versa
I mean, all stats seem to point to them feeling lonelier at least. Men kill themselves at 4x the rate despite having 1/3rd of the attempts, after all, and it's not just due to using more violent methods either.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032711005179
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u/gramerjen 6d ago
One of the other reason is that they refuse to get professional help for their problem and refuse to talk about their feelings. They are the ones who need to fix this problem or find a way to suck at their job of killing themselves.
Women attempt suicide twice as much, so you can say it's worse for women since there are more women going through attempted suicide. Trying to argue one way or the other is dumb and helps no one.
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u/Mad_Axe-man 5d ago
Professional help for men is not always very intensive. I went in for therapy and lack of social connectiveness and was told to go to group therapy. After group therapy which didn't do much, they said, i was great and very social, and call them if they had further problems. Ignoring the fact... I said that I didn't feel very connected in groups and still felt isolated. Insurance didn't really cover any other therapists, so I shrugged my shoulders.
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u/Glad-Way-637 6d ago
One of the other reason is that they refuse to get professional help for their problem and refuse to talk about their feelings.
Wow, I wonder if that has anything to do with around 75% of mental health workers being women, and thus better able to relate to and help other women? Or maybe the fact that women and men both tend to shame men who talk about their feelings.
They are the ones who need to fix this problem or find a way to suck at their job of killing themselves.
It's probably help if people didn't constantly minimize the issue.
Women attempt suicide twice as much, so you can say it's worse for women since there are more women going through attempted suicide.
Meh, they tend to count basic self-harm with no real intent to die in those stats, and women report that sort of thing more often. "Frequent fliers" can also inflate their stats by attempting multiple times too, not so for men.
Trying to argue one way or the other is dumb and helps no one.
When you look at the actual real-life consequences of a problem, and those consequences affect one demographic disproportionately, it makes it easier to put focus on the most affected first. Pretending the loneliness problem is equally severe for men and women is frankly absurd by every measure.
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u/gramerjen 6d ago
Still, it sounds like an issue that can be solved with men being more open to talk about their feelings and listening to those who also open up
Women had no one to listen to, so they decided to listen to each other. Women had been forced to stay at home and be slave to a man to just be able to have basic necessities since even opening a credit card was impossible for them to do without their husband's approval and therefor they couldn't even get a house to live in. If they can decide enough is enough and do something to better their life against all odds, men can talk about their feelings with each other.
Why are we so pressed about a self-inflicted issue when the solution is for them to just open up
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u/Glad-Way-637 6d ago
Still, it sounds like an issue that can be solved with men being more open to talk about their feelings and listening to those who also open up
Yup, and all men tend to ask is that women stop making the problem worse.
Women had no one to listen to, so they decided to listen to each other. Women had been forced to stay at home and be slave to a man to just be able to have basic necessities since even opening a credit card was impossible for them to do without their husband's approval and therefor they couldn't even get a house to live in. If they can decide enough is enough and do something to better their life against all odds, men can talk about their feelings with each other.
Do you really think the relative equality and even occasional advantages enjoyed by modern women (higher college graduation rates, more encouragement during schooling, gender-specific financial aid programs, no draft, etc) were entirely accomplished by women looking around, gripping their bootstraps mightily, and then yanking themselves up into the current day all alone? No help whatsoever? That's just downright historically revisionist.
Why are we so pressed about a self-inflicted issue when the solution is for them to just open up
Because, for fuck's sake, the issue is not entirely self-inflicted. Almost every child has a mother, women contribute to getting men to shut up about their feelings just as much, if not more so than men. One of the most common sob stories I've heard from my buddies is how their partners begged them to open up for ages, and then shut down and became entirely different people the second their boyfriend wasn't perfectly stoic and emotionless. Those relationships tend to teach men a lesson, and it isn't that opening up will make things any better.
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u/gramerjen 6d ago
It's always the women's fault somehow when it comes to men's issues. Men have actively worked against equality throughout history, and we had to fight tooth and nail to get basic respect, and now men are saying men are lonely cause women doesnt listen. Even if all the women in the world stop listening to you, you can just be there for each other.
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u/Glad-Way-637 6d ago
It's always the women's fault somehow when it comes to men's issues.
And vice versa. Wowie zowie, are you telling me both halves of the population have an effect on society and the way the other half is treated? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
Men have actively worked against equality throughout history, and we had to fight tooth and nail to get basic respect, and now men are saying men are lonely cause women doesnt listen.
And other men did the opposite, while a great many women turned to regressive ideologies themselves. Remember that your gender is not immune to being jackasses, I implore you.
Even if all the women in the world stop listening to you, you can just be there for each other.
Are you even reading? It's not that women aren't listening, it's that they're actively contributing to the problem. You've graduated from mere misandry, this is genuinely the most misanthropic thing I've ever read. I'm so sorry for whatever happened to make you the way that you are.
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u/gramerjen 6d ago
You're acting like women at large have been oppressing men at large. Asshole will be in every kind of demographic, and this is not a big revelation. If a woman is bullying you for being open, tell them to shove it up their arse for all i care. Change isn't going to happen overnight.
Im tired of men putting other men down while whining that nobody listens to them. Men pnly talk about their mental health when it can be used to distract people from other issues like saying mental health month is more important than pride month as if almost half the demographic of lgbt people are not comprised of men.
Men at large dont even see women as humans, so why are you expecting all women to care about men at large. We queer people have been fighting tooth and nail to build our own community against government tyranny yet nobody here whines about gender issues like men do in social media. Grow a back bone and open up, if the general population rejects you we will be there for you.
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u/Outshine_Moon_n_Sun 6d ago
Male Loneliness Epidemic is clearly not a women hating men issue more like a "society doesn't care for it's mentally vulnerable" issue. Also misandry? Really? You're gonna blame women for that too? Women are being KILLED for existing and you don't expect some of us to be hateful like how some men are?
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u/AhYesStupidQuestions 7d ago edited 7d ago
You seem to misunderstand the meme, boys do want that, but many have been getting so little in terms of appreciative social interaction that even something as small as a hi feels grand, and simply showing basic politeness to them makes a girl stand out
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
You should make more women friends then.
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u/Dazzling_Sherbet_398 6d ago
I think the point of the meme is the woman is the one initiating, which would be surprising
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u/SpecificTea5554 7d ago
Okay but thinking from the perspective of a man who has trouble with women (has no gfs or female friends), they're trapped in a negative loop where they have no dating life, no sex life, so they start to see every single woman as a tall glass of water.
Which makes it even harder for them to see women as normal people, which is necessary for them to make women friends. It's healthy to have both male and female friends and strong social skills from a young age to prevent this
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u/Downtown_Cat_1745 7d ago
So what do you want women to do about this and why is it not men’s problem to fix?
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u/CappinCanuck 7d ago
It’s just a reality nobody is responsible for another person. It’s not on women and it’s not on men it’s on specifically those men.
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u/SpecificTea5554 7d ago edited 7d ago
This is something the individual has to overcome, not anyone else. It's a shame that there are just so many people with bad social skills. Not even just men. I see anyone, male or female, who doesn't have long term female friends as a red flag.
I have a friend that only has male friends and is very male-centered (only cares about her love life and ditches friends for her bfs). Guess what, her male "friends" are all regularly thirsting for her, not even trying to hide it, and aren't genuine friends.
I feel for her but every time I try to establish a purely platonic connection (I think she wants me to give her flirty attention instead, like other men) she doesn't match my stride. Yet she complains she's lonely and has no real friends. There's a reason she doesn't have any real friends. Like I said, she will ditch plans with you if she can spend that time with her current bf. She is simply not good at maintaining a friendship and the thirsty men that chase her is her crutch for having a "social life".
If she were a man, she'd be just another thirsty man with no friends. The real problem is that so many people don't value platonic connections and overvalue romantic ones. Being social for the sake of it, connecting with someone else purely because you like who they are, nothing to do with their looks or bodies (which is almost always a prerequisite for romantic attraction). That's what humans need right now.
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u/taste-of-orange 6d ago
I understand her a bit, I don't condone it but I understand. I feel like if I wasn't aromantic (and remotely attractive lol), I would probably be in that kind of mindset as well. Instead I put far too much value in friendships (yes that's possible).
I believe people with not a lot of personal drive will be fast to find purpose in being valued by others. That's why hobbies and goals are important.
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u/SpecificTea5554 6d ago edited 6d ago
That's interesting! What makes you think you'd have a similar mindset?
I value friends more than the average person too and it's tough, since everyone is heavily prioritizing their spouse or long term partners. Or prioritizing their desire to find one.
That's why hobbies and goals are important.
Best to water a big garden with a variety of crops so you don't starve when the rot gets a hold of one kind!
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u/taste-of-orange 6d ago
Because I believe that I am lacking this drive I am speaking of. I got some 'small crops I barely water' and other than that my mood and self-image is too influenced by my friendships.
If I would have a desire and option for a relationship that is (socially seen) as binding as a romantic one, it would be quite easy for me to neglect 'other crops'.
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u/chickensthat 6d ago
is not having male friends a red flag
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u/SpecificTea5554 6d ago
Tbh I haven't thought about that as much, it doesn't seem like as big of a red flag as not having female friends. But I believe having a variety of friends from different backgrounds is always gonna be optimal
What do you think?
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u/chickensthat 6d ago
i think people with few friends who just happen to have friends of 1 gender shouldnt be automatically suspected
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u/SpecificTea5554 6d ago
I wouldn't suspect anything with that. If you currently had 2 good friends and they happen to be both female I mean. That's not a big enough data set to make a judgment lol
But if you never in your life have had opposite or same gender friends, that would be the red flag.
If you only ever had 2 friends your whole life, that would also indicate unhealthiness tbh
It's not a point of embarrassment. A lot of us are unhealthy mentally and socially. If not in this way, then in another way. A loneliness epidemic is very dangerous though, and it needs to be resolved
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u/Carolina-Roots 7d ago
Nothing, it’s not up to women to fix it and I don’t see where anyone said it was.
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u/taste-of-orange 6d ago
They didn't say women had to fix it tho. They said that kids need to learn to be able to make friends of other members from a young age. I'd say in that case it's on anyone who has a hand in raising our youth.
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u/Bracheopterix 6d ago
This is also true for women. Even if we make it pointlessly gendered and change a desire to shy love. You take the high slice of a woman-blob and put their experience versus the lower slice of a man-blob.
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u/Glad-Way-637 6d ago
This isn't particularly well-supported by reality. way more women than men are okay being romantically alone according to surveys, so it seems fair to say that the average man wants to date women more than the average woman wants to date men. One way or another, this means dudes have higher competition, and the higher "supply" available to women means that the ones who want to date can comfortably keep... let's say stricter standards for their partners.
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u/felgaia-drifter-arms 6d ago
That survey also had a binary choice of genders. It's not a very good one since it doesn't account for if they're trans or identify as anything but male or female, and also runs the chance of not letting the person self identify. There's also a set sample size based on a region that could skew the bias further. Surveys unless done on an international level and properly peer reviewed won't have any truth to it whatsoever on this particular topic, just a sample size and an often unstated level of bias. Wanting to be romantically alone is, amusingly as this subreddit so is named, pointlessly gendered.
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u/Glad-Way-637 6d ago
That survey also had a binary choice of genders. It's not a very good one since it doesn't account for if they're trans or identify as anything but male or female, and also runs the chance of not letting the person self identify.
Honestly, I'm not saying this to be mean, but the portion of the population that is either trans or non-binary is so tiny that they can safely be ignored for studies like this one. I remember the last stat I read put about 1 in 30 people as gender non-conforming in those ways. That was a long time ago though, do you have any more recent data?
There's also a set sample size based on a region that could skew the bias further. Surveys unless done on an international level and properly peer reviewed won't have any truth to it whatsoever on this particular topic, just a sample size and an often unstated level of bias. Wanting to be romantically alone is, amusingly as this subreddit so is named, pointlessly gendered.
All I can say is that the surveys I've seen have certainly seemed accurate so far, and though I haven't seen any international ones, I've seen ones that picked a diverse enough group among my own country (and any region I'd ever want to live should I immigrate) that there is no functional difference as far as Im concerned.
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u/felgaia-drifter-arms 6d ago
The main point was to treat all surveys like this as not a definitive metric, especially if they're old. I doubt we'd get new data since the current administration seems more keen on blaming everything on trans folks at the moment than actually encouraging anyone to think critically and perform research into things. Additionally any accurate survey (In a literal sense, not saying any survey without this is inaccurate) would involve some pretty invasive methods.
But the sort of it is "Take any survey with a grain of salt. It's not always a standard of truth."
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u/CallidoraBlack 6d ago
thinking from the perspective of a man who has trouble with women (has no gfs or female friends)
So there's something wrong with them and that snowballs into there being more things wrong with them because no introspection happens. Not surprising.
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u/ContextEffects01 6d ago
The trouble with that is that one will then feel tempted to be “more than friends” with her. By the same powerful evolutionary forces that make him make love to his GF despite the risk she could keep the baby even if she said she wouldn’t.
If she’s receptive, great… unless he has several female friends and feels that way about all of them. And not all of them are into polyamory.
If she isn’t receptive, it might depend on the guy, but it seems to eventually end in a degree of resentment. Better than infidelity, but still…
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u/Square_Bluejay4764 7d ago
Should make better friends in general if you are getting this small an amount of appreciation.
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u/Huntsman077 7d ago
Damn how did that go over your head so hard?
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
If I'm missing something pls let me know what I'm missing, rather than being mean about it? I have time after work.
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u/Huntsman077 6d ago
Sorry to be mean, your comment came off as rude and dismissive.
It’s not about women friends it’s more about relationships. Do you remember a similar meme talking about how men get so few compliments that when they get one they remember it for months? This one is built off that old meme.
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u/Dramatic_Tree_7980 5d ago
i think hes saying that girls they like coming up to them is rare which as a guy is true, having women friends is def a good thing so you actually know how to treat a woman
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u/WillTheWAFSack 5d ago
i feel like this also partly comes from the fact that social pressures make boys less willing to show affection to their other male friends, so in turn boys become accustomed to a lack of affection, so any amount of affection, even a friendly greeting, feels very important. i think this is a society issue, not a men or women issue
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u/Salt_Piece_1787 4d ago
I have actually seen so many posts of men saying how they enjoy eye contact and smiling from women EYE CONTACT AND SMILING. And I also was reading so much female specific subs with censorship I thought women just don't want to admit male problems, but reading subs with no censorship proved me wrong at least a bit
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u/AcceptableChampion21 6d ago edited 6d ago
That’s not necessarily women’s fault though. That’s just gender dynamics.
If a woman says “hi”, there’s a good chance the guy thinks she’s interested in him. Most guy barely before they even meet a girl are already thinking about whether they’re going to wife her. So it’s not really surprising if women don’t want to send the wrong message.
Men get little appreciative social interaction because men don’t give it to one another because of social convention and then they have to rely on their girlfriends to do that for them. The idea that men can’t get validation, affection and closeness with male friends platonically is really a social construct.
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u/AhYesStupidQuestions 6d ago edited 6d ago
That’s not necessarily women’s fault though.
I've never said it was.
That’s just gender dynamics.
Not something innate, but an aspect of culture - something one can see as a problem without putting the blame on one person or a specific group.
It's one of those situations where everyone does what's reasonable for themselves and it keeps the whole thing getting worse and worse. Women try to avoid giving men complements because giving them is bound to be misinterpreted as being said with ulterior motives. Which is an understandable thing. Because of that, a man receiving a complement from a woman just because barely ever happens. So when a man does receive a complement, it's reasonable of him to assume it's being said with ulterior motives. And that makes giving complements even more of a problem. So complements given without ulterior motives become even more scarce. So it becomes even less reasonable to assume a comment was said without ulterior motives. And so it goes - a miserable feedback loop.
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u/SimplySorrow 6d ago edited 6d ago
If a woman says “hi”, there’s a good chance the guy thinks she’s interested in him.
Thats cause women rarely just come up for small talk with men. Most guys are told all the things women have to consider when dealing with men. That turns into "Oh she talked to me in spite of all these concerns"
Then you go into a spiral of trying to read way too much off of one interaction. Maybe even maintain an image of yourself you think they have.
Its the same with one of the few female friends i have. I have no intent to try and date her. But i cant be as unfiltered around her. Im pretty crass with my guy friends and its a big portion of our humor. I have made a few of those jokes and she started to think i was trying to flirt. I almost felt my soul leave my body.
I wanted to explain, but how could anything i say not be turned into "oh hes just lying to cover up the fact i caught him." Thats what ran in my head. Luckily we talked it out and she believed me. But thats what ran through my head. The only thing that saved that friendship was her being understanding enough.
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u/AcceptableChampion21 6d ago
I mean, that really depends on the woman and your relationship with her. If she’s a new friend or doesn’t know you very well, she might be subtly suspicious that you are only friends with her for sex/a relationship. And I think in those cases the only thing you can really do is just try to be considerate of that even if it doesn’t feel very fair for you. I mean, you did end up clearing the air on it and she believed you so it did end well.
Gender dynamics are inherently tricky, I think some people do get the impression that they’re meant to be simple but unfortunately they’re not. Women and men are raised in different contexts and different environments and we kind of have to navigate those differences, women have to navigate them as well.
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u/SimplySorrow 6d ago edited 6d ago
Its cause it is a bit unfair. Its very hard to talk with people when you have to walk a proverbial mind field just to get there. But thats more about finding the right type of people for your friend groups. Understanding and patience on both ends i think is what fixes it.
women have to navigate them as well.
This is true, the problem alot of people from the male side have is that it feels like one side is allowed to lament it with some level of due empathy. while the other its just "it is what it is, best suck it up". I have many theories on why that is but thats a different topic for another day.
Of course im not saying you are doing that though. It just something ive seen alot on these topics. A whole lot of talking past one another, assuming ill intent, or just outright vitriol.
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u/AcceptableChampion21 6d ago
I think in many cases it’s because a lot of men who complain about the fact that it’s difficult to talk to women, also try to contort that in a way that tries to make it seem like women are the unreasonable ones or that they hate men. Not saying you’re doing it, I’m just saying why this particular conversation can make people react like that automatically when they hear about men struggling to talk to women. Especially when we talk about conversations about gender online.
It’s a bit rare to hear about the nuance about how men and women are following social scripts that they are forced into and that it’s not their fault.
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u/SimplySorrow 6d ago
On both counts thats cause people want their feelings validated. And everyones seen enough of the worst on both sides to throw up walls. Its just easier that way.
It’s a bit rare to hear about the nuance about how men and women are following social scripts that they are forced into and that it’s not their fault.
This hit me to the core. Yes, absolutely. Whats even rarer is talking about how that script is fractured. And its a slow growing tear that went left unnoticed for too long. People dont know what they are meant to do anymore, or what role they are meant to play. And "decide for yourself" isnt much of a clear answer.
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u/son_of_menoetius 7d ago
No they don't OP. coming from a guy.
We've had to "respect, care and protect" ourselves our whole lives so we don't need anyone doing that for us...
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u/Gr4pe_Soda 7d ago
it’s a meme about men having lower standards because of how the world is rn. it’s funny
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u/gramerjen 7d ago
Be the change you want to see in the world. Conpliment other men like they compliment women
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u/whenishit-itsbigturd 7d ago
Of course they want it but you don't even have to do that to impress them, literally just say hi
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u/Artistic-Bass3477 7d ago
What they want isnt really important if its not something they can get. Most of us have learned to appreciate anything
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u/RevolutionaryFile532 7d ago
Pointlessly gendered and pointing out real gender disparities are different things
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u/SentientSquare 7d ago
A lot of the users on this sub are blank-slaters so they think any existing gender disparity is social in origin.
Consequently, any disparities are the consequence of uneven social expectations, social roles, etc.
So many would argue that if there is a disparity between genders that men find objectionable, the cure is likely the same- a society without gendered roles.
I've had a lot of posters here tell me they flat out think we should live in a society with zero gender roles, wholly androgenous, no differences between how men and women are raised and taught to act.
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u/RevolutionaryFile532 7d ago
I mean this disparity is in fact social. All gender is social. I'm literally a gender abolitionist so I am one of those people that would tell you that.
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u/pupk1tty 6d ago
I hate memes like this because it generalizes two different groups like there's no nuance, some people crave attention, some don't, some only want sex, some want a deeper connection, etc. Why do people always like to make radically different points and put all people of a certain group in the same boat and the rest in another one? Afaik, the world isn't segregated by gender or who's craving more than the other
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u/AbsurdBeanMaster 7d ago
Nahhh, but this is true- for the boys at least
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
That's a problem though, YOU should set YOUR standards higher, people , and women should be saying hi to you like daily especially if you're in male and female integrated spaces. This whole concept is a patriarchy problem.
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u/ViolinistCurrent8899 7d ago
Honestly, setting the standards higher is irrelevant when the general population can't meet the lower requirement.
All it would do is make them fail harder. If you want to get noticed as a guy, simply existing isn't enough.
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Setting higher standards filters out more people, so that makes no sense.
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
I don't know what you're saying here, Setting higher standards does in fact FILTER out more people, yes.
I never said otherwise my statement on having more women friends and also filtering out people who are under appreciating you aren't contradictory.
You can put more dirty water in a bowl that you did before and also filter out the dirt? in the end you will have more water no? But at the same time you filtered out more dirt?
Your making another true statement but it doesn't disprove mine, as if I stated every day at least one tree grows and you stated "A tree falls every day, so that doesn't make any sense"
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u/SampleText369 6d ago edited 6d ago
In what social space are you in where women consistently say hi to men? Throughout college I found it much easier to talk to other men than women and men imo are much more likely to initiate a conversation with you.
The meme is just saying a woman initiating a conversation with you is both rare and nice.
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u/sonicpoweryay 7d ago
the second part is definitely true
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
That's a problem though, YOU should set YOUR standards higher, people , and women should be saying hi to you like daily especially if you're in male and female integrated spaces. This whole concept is a patriarchy problem. I promise you I'm not impressed when a women says hi, I have women friends.
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u/sonicpoweryay 7d ago
good for you dude, relax
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
I'm not even mad, I'm just educating you, on how to fix the 2nd part, cuz it's not true for every man just the ones who have trouble finding friends in general, so I wanted to give you a proper solution rather than you become an incel and just start being like "it's easier to be a women".
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u/sonicpoweryay 6d ago
I do not believe that it’s easier to be a woman and never will, but thanks, I guess
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u/CappinCanuck 7d ago
You do understand that actually does nothing right. Women aren’t the approaches and men are men will inherently have to do more and receive less when it comes to this level of interaction. And it’s not really anyone’s fault, women often deal with basic niceties being treated as people coming onto them so outwardly being kind to a man can be seen as a gamble. And men have so little experience with women being nice to them they for good reason take any niceties as being flirtatious it’s a cycle that can’t be stopped. When you don’t have any women coming to you in the first place setting your standards higher won’t fox that. It’ll make it worse.
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
I don't mean to be mean but bro, this meme or at least from what I can see, it doesn't talk about men approaching women or women approaching men it's talking about what impresses men, unless I'm not seeing the implications, then you know my bad. But this seems like it's about the general relationship which would make sense because then it would be a little weird if men were approaching women to "Protect her".
It would seem to be that the meme is talking how to impress men in relationships, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'm open to w.e.
And men have so little experience with women being nice to them they for good reason take any niceties as being flirtatious it’s a cycle that can’t be stopped
However this is the part that I wanted to tackle when I say the phrase," you need to make women friends " and this will stop. Non-Sexual women friends and not being weird about it will grant a base level of appreciation.
When you don’t have any women coming to you in the first place setting your standards higher won’t fox that. It’ll make it worse.
Yes for sure, I feel like you're talking about a bigger issue that's not being addressed in this meme, that I would also love to talk about.
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u/CappinCanuck 7d ago
I figured since it only says how to impress men vs women it was broadly talking about all aspects including dating, and asking people out.
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u/AhYesStupidQuestions 7d ago edited 7d ago
How does setting your own standards higher make other people tell you hi more often?
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u/Plenty-Lychee-5702 7d ago
but why are you so aggressive?
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u/Artistic-Bass3477 7d ago
They feel called out
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
No Im not even mad, I just didn't know we thought caps were seen as so aggressive
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u/Rude-Relation-8978 7d ago
I didn't feel like I was being aggressive, I'm beginning to think y'all didn't like my caps. My bad. I meant to just emphasize.
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u/Villain_911 6d ago
Given the number of times I've heard women say they wait for men to speak to them and men say they're surprised when a woman spoke first, I don't see how this isn't true.
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u/gandalftheorange11 6d ago
It’s not that we don’t want those things, it’s just way too much to ask for.
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u/mastermedic124 6d ago
This is playing on the male sex socialization bais of treating them as stoic closed of people who wouldn't like or appreciate care or compliments so they react strongly to any sort of affection, stop treating people with penises like this please, we deserve care as well
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u/VagueDestructSus 6d ago
Nah bro I'm a boy and can confirm this is true y'all just can't take a joke.
Though if my ex tells me anything the first half isn't true
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u/YvaineBlue_13 6d ago
The issues is when boys even get a chance to have something, anything with a woman, they immediatly destroy that chance with sexism or misogyni. Writing some bullshit of how she should send him some nudes or how much he just wants to fuck her.
And lets be real, we cannot excuse this with "Oh, don't blame them. They do not know better because they get so little experience with women that they do kot know how to behave properly." Hell no, men are not stupid. They know. But its easier to being a despairate ass then whine about it how women do not even give him a chance.
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u/kryaklysmic 6d ago
I think men and women need the same things to impress them: respect, compassion, and good food
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u/SlumberingKirin 5d ago
Hey, resident "boy" here. I can confirm that it impresses me when people make an effort to engage with me.
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u/BitcoinBishop 4d ago
Is it because men receive the first four things from people by default?
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u/Salt_Piece_1787 4d ago
I have actually seen so many posts of men saying how they enjoy eye contact and smiling from women EYE CONTACT AND SMILING. And I also was reading so much female specific subs with censorship I thought women just don't want to admit male problems, but reading subs with no censorship proved me wrong at least a bit
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u/Orisn_Bongo 4d ago
This sub is a feverdream.... I am already happy if I get aknowledged god forbid society is being a society, truly unimaginable
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u/Natural_Meet 3d ago
It's not about not wanting, we simply need less to reach the level of being impressed... SMH
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u/Working-Contract-948 3d ago
I would be absolutely mortified if my girlfriend ever "protected me." That being said, this meme absolutely reeks of MENASA and I don't think it's worth people not from those regions debating it.
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u/PsychologicalCow1382 2d ago
The girl one is incorrect. They don't want love. That's all things boys want.
Girls want $200k/month, a 9-inch dick to ride on, the latest phone, a brand new laptop to support her OnlyFans account, and for you to allow her to send nude pics to all the guys she keeps on the side for when she decides to ditch you.
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u/shiggy345 7d ago
"Hey baby what do you do today."
"Made a comment with that bit about men not worried about drowning in the desert."
"Again?"
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u/Assiqtaq 7d ago
It isn't that they don't want it. It is simply that they, in general and depending on circumstances, tend to already experience those things. They don't tend to be impressed by those things because those things aren't rare or unique experiences for them. Or at least, not as much.
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u/Jay_Buffay 7d ago
It isn't that guys don't want it, its that the vast vast vast majority of women ain't gonna put that much energy or care into us as people as we would like. Men are seen as fungible assets by society and most women.
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u/ka_beene 7d ago
The last time I said hi to a guy I recognized from elementary school he started stalking me. I kinda learned to be more cautious when I initiated convos with men I didn't know after that.
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u/nuclear_foreskin 6d ago
Sounds about right, so many times that I've been nice to men have resulted in creepy behaviour to outright harassment that I just dont bother anymore.
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u/SampleText369 6d ago
It's kind of a nasty cycle because men not getting approached or talked to at all increases the chance of them being socially deprived or thinking any base level human respect is automatically romantic interest. If they ever do get approached then they pursue it because it's so rare but that then makes the woman less likely to ever be cordial to a man like that again.
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u/nuclear_foreskin 6d ago
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u/Jay_Buffay 6d ago
And people wonder why feminism is becoming less popular...
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u/nuclear_foreskin 6d ago
"Men are seen as fungible assets by society and most women" you're really reaching to make yourself the victim bro.
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u/Jay_Buffay 6d ago
Yep, the lack of any empathy from women is rapidly decreasing that of men.
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u/nuclear_foreskin 6d ago
Because its often weaponised against us as if their problems are ours to solve, im all for discussing men's mental health because it's a serious problem - but you wanna know why I usually avoid it? A lot of the time its women that are blamed for a man's problem.
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u/Jay_Buffay 6d ago
I see... so men voting for politicians who are against abortion bc it ain't their problem are all good then, kk. 😉
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u/nuclear_foreskin 6d ago
Did you not see the part where I said weaponising men's problems against women??? You really thought you did something there lol.
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u/Jay_Buffay 6d ago
So Im supposed to give a shit about women's issues while women don't give a shit about men's issues... nah.
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u/pupk1tty 6d ago
stop blaming women for issues you can fix yourself
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u/Jay_Buffay 6d ago
Yeah, by giving them the same lack of care and empathy and using them like they do me... very constructive!
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u/pupk1tty 6d ago
if you can't work on yourself don't expect women to help you
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u/Jay_Buffay 6d ago
I am just fine, My entire point is that men don't get the same level of love and support as women expect in relationships... nothing to do with any problem I have personally.
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u/Big-Maintenance2544 7d ago
Respect should be the norm. Dame the standard are so low for men.
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u/EaterOfCrab 7d ago
Apparently they're even lower for women
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u/WhyDoIHaveRules 7d ago
I think what they mean by “the standards are so low for men” is that all women have to do is say hi, to meet the ‘standard’ for men.
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u/Mr_Olivar 6d ago
I bet women feel real loved by a man who would love literally anyone if they said hi.
That must be what true love feels like.
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u/NotAround13 5d ago
This describes most dogs lol
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