r/politics • u/Zen1 Oregon • Jul 12 '25

Paywall ICE officers doxxed by antifa, anarchists in Portland, Noem says

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/07/ice-officers-doxxed-by-antifa-anarchists-in-portland-dhs-says.html
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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

It’s always antifa, right? Defintely couldn’t be anyone else because only antifa is against unconstitutional and illegal ICE raids

/s

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u/strongminder Jul 12 '25

When you are the fascist, and everyone is against you, everyone against you is anti-fascist.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

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u/Stodles Canada Jul 12 '25

You know things are bad when Liz Cheney joins antifa...

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u/ChardAggravating4825 Jul 12 '25

This engine is Antifa

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u/02K30C1 Jul 12 '25

So when anyone in this admin calls people who oppose them Antifa, they’re admitting they’re fascists

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u/AmaroWolfwood Jul 12 '25

I rarely hear Republicans deny being facist, they just say I don't know what facism means. So I assume they are fine being facists, they just define it in a way that fits their world view.

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u/dasterdly_duo Jul 12 '25

With their whole chest.

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u/Whoreticultist Jul 12 '25

I mean, you could theoretically have two warring fascist entities that oppose one another.

As such, I’d argue that being opposed to one fascist entity does not automatically make you an anti-fascist. Being against fascism in general does (though I think one might also have to actively participate in the fight against fascism in one way or another in order to be included under the term as it is generally used).

But I do see your point, and there aren’t really opposing fascist factions within the US as far as I am aware.

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u/AktionMusic Jul 12 '25

anti-fascist is the only morally correct position. everyone should be antifa

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u/Electromotivation Jul 12 '25

Yea, there might be united groups of more hardcore protesters that go under a certain group name, but referring to antifa as a group is like the classic days of “who is this hacker, Anonymous?”

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u/ToNoMoCo Jul 12 '25

Everyone who isn't a fascist is probably antifa. As I understand it, except for small local groups antifa isn't even an organization. It's literally city kids who come out as counter protesters when fascists show up. It's mostly a phenomena of the northwest because of the Nazi problem up there

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u/02K30C1 Jul 12 '25

It’s like calling anyone who collects stamps a philatelist.

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u/ToNoMoCo Jul 12 '25

you know, if your father heard you use that word ...

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u/kurinbo Jul 13 '25

Philately will get you nowhere

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u/Long-Rooster-9641 Jul 12 '25

Anti-fascism is the baddies! /s

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u/ConsonantlyDrunk Jul 12 '25

Bella Ciao intensifies

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u/Quadrenaro Puerto Rico Jul 12 '25

The problem is tankies aren't antifascist and they make up large swaths of the movement. Russia has had a pretty significant hand in the influence of antigovernment forces around the world, including in the US.

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u/D3athRider Canada Jul 12 '25

Not sure you know what a tankie is or what fascism is. Tankies are typically communists who support the Stalinist/Maoist take on the "dictatorship of the proletariat" concept, with the rationale that capitalists will never allow socialism/worker ownership without violence. They typically believe that in the years after a revolution, there needs to be a hard crack down against the capitalist class and their sympathisers if socialism is to survive it's early stages. That is what tankies usually believe.

That is not fascism. Fascism is specifically a far right/reactionary ideology born out of and most strongly supported by the "small capitalist" class, and which is hypernationalist, hyper militaristic, pro-capitalist, anti-working class, and autocratic/authoritarian at its core. They also tend to believe in some kind of racial/ethnic/national superiority and tend to embrace eugenicist practices in some way or other.

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u/Quadrenaro Puerto Rico Jul 12 '25

I am fully aware what they are. I'm not 12, and didn't just stumble into this yesterday. I've been dealing with tankies for nearly 20 years.

Most anarchist/antifascist/tankies I've know have just turned out to really just be anti-America and latched onto what they perceived to the be the best thing to use to fight it. I had one friend go from anti-bush anarchist to full on putinite in 10 years.

In my decades of experience, I have come to view people who call themselves antifascist the same as when someone calls themselves a, "nice guy." It's one of those things where if you are, you don't need to state it.

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u/Whoreticultist Jul 12 '25

While I do see your point, I do think that if someone is an ”actual” tankie they would not be in support of fascism (which is inherently right-wing), but rather defensive of authoritarian leftist ideology (primarily authoritarian communism?).

As an example, someone defending the actions of modern day Russia would not really be a tankie. Even if they claim to be leftist, they’re defending a state that is authoritarian but very much not leftist.

I think someone could very well be pro-authoritarianism yet stil be anti-fascist. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a lot of anti-fascist tankies.

But I also get that people throw these labels around fairly willy-nilly. Someone who does support fascism or some sort of quasi-fascism might very well end up being called a tankie by someone else.

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u/MissionCreeper Jul 12 '25

It's a tautology.  If you doxx ICE, you are against fascists.

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u/belloch Jul 12 '25

Although it's easy to see that "antifa" means "anti-facist", there may also be people who don't make that connection. Especially when the media says "antifa, anarchists" it's as if they are trying to make people recognize "antifa" as just some weird name for an anarchist group instead of an anti-fascist group.

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u/No-Problem49 Jul 12 '25

That’s why they pronounce it AN TEEfa

To make it sound as little as antifascist as possible

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u/Notsellingcrap Jul 12 '25

Like someone's rude aunt or something.

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u/avantgardengnome New York Jul 12 '25

Nah it’s supposed to be pronounced like a rude aunt, ie anti-FAH. It comes from the German nickname for Antifaschistische Aktion (antifascist action), which was a shortlived movement in the early 30s. They pronounce it an-TEE-fah like some kind of European city. Idk if that was an active attempt to separate the idea from antifascism or just the way the name stuck in right wing media.

In any case when the right says antifa they generally mean black bloc tactics, which have some level of overlap but are better understood to just be best practices for agitating at protests. And they certainly ascribe a level of coordination/organization/leadership that doesn’t exist, which is the whole point of black bloc tactics.

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u/keegtraw Jul 12 '25

I always felt like theyre trying to subconsciously pull an association to Al Qaeda or make it sound more Arabic/foreign and therefore "dangerous". I guarantee that right-wing media has rarely or never publicized what the term actually meant. Just a scary word associated with the opposition.

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u/kralvex Jul 12 '25

Exactly, because they don't want people who don't know/don't understand to figure that out. Because if you're not fascist, then how could you be opposed to anti-fascists? It's why they never say the full name.

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u/D3athRider Canada Jul 12 '25

Its important to a) honour the history of antifa (and the anti-fascist movement b) not fall into the trap of seeing anarchism as a dirty word. Historically, the biggest and most steadfast fighters against fascism have been anarchists, socialists/communists and other radical leftists. For example, when Orwell went to join the fight against fascism in Spain he was not only a socialist himself but was primarily fighting beside anarchists and non-authoritarian communists. He had nothing but praise for anarchists he fought with. The same has been the case wherever fascism has taken hold in Europe. That tradition has continued to today when you look at the makeup of antifa and other anti-fascist groups.

In these times, it's important to remember why the capitalist establishment and fascists want people to be afraid of antifa, anarchists, socialists/communists and the radical left generally.

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u/Slumunistmanifisto Jul 12 '25

Antifas our red scare

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u/C-137_Squirrels Jul 12 '25

Everyone is antifa and anarchist, lol. This lady is a world class bullshitter. She’ll stop at nothing to get those 101 Dalmatians.

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u/sweatingbozo Jul 12 '25

When you actually talk to people, a lot of them do actually hold the views of antifascists and anarchism, they just only apply it to themselves.

Anarchism is often what libertarians think libertarianism is, but they mis-attribute those beliefs because they're so entrenched in the idea of capitalism that they can't make that next logical jump.

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u/consumeshroomz Jul 12 '25

Yeah here’s the thing, people think ANTIFA is an organization. Like one you have to join. But it’s not and you don’t. If you’re against fascism, then you’re anti-fascist. You’re an ANTIFA. And there far more of us than they’d ever care to admit.

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u/haltingpoint Jul 12 '25

This framing is being used intentionally so as to paint a broad group of people as an enemy of the state (think: terrorist organization) based on political affiliation.

Expect an increase in this sort of rhetoric.

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u/banitsa Jul 12 '25

Notorious antifa leader prepares militants to assault government troops https://images.app.goo.gl/n32rzcCyzNSQZBjh7

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u/Grokent Jul 12 '25

Lol, I love how they say Antifa like a group that was against fascism would be a bad thing.

I know there's an Antifa group in Europe but I've failed to see any evidence of a group identifying itself as Antifa in the U.S.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '25

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u/No-Problem49 Jul 12 '25

Go ahead and lead us into the light o great one who knows a better way

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u/FukushimaBlinkie Jul 12 '25

The better way is just [redacted] every ice agent in the [redacted]

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u/VeganJordan Jul 12 '25

They don’t deserve to get a ‘tickle’ in the ‘bum’.

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u/Individual-Nebula927 Jul 12 '25

If the government was doing what it was legally required to anyway (wear identification, have their faces visible, etc) then "doxxing" wouldn't be necessary.