r/politics • u/Zen1 Oregon • Jul 12 '25

Paywall ICE officers doxxed by antifa, anarchists in Portland, Noem says

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/07/ice-officers-doxxed-by-antifa-anarchists-in-portland-dhs-says.html
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u/PillowPrincess314 Jul 12 '25

They are public servants being funded by taxpayer dollars. The people have the right to know who is in their employ.

If they aren't doing anything wrong, why are they worried?

If they can't hold their heads high and proudly announce their professions, they need to seek a new career.

These are not undercover officers, secret agents, CIA, whatever. They should not be hiding their faces and people being arrested by them should be able to know their accusers.

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u/Long-Researcher777 Jul 12 '25

Exactly, they can't actually be doxxed because their identites should be public anyway 

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u/ATLfalcons27 Jul 12 '25

These people always co.opt and corrupt the usage and meaning of words

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Jul 12 '25

I genuinely believe Letting them take “fake news” was the true beginning of the end lol

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u/EarthAbundance84 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 22 '25

Naw, they started this with the word “entitled” back in the 1980s. Now people think “entitled” means its opposite. So that way when people talk about the services we are entitled to (Medicare,Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment) because we paid for them, they can make it sound like it’s something we’re not entitled to.

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u/siouxbee1434 Jul 12 '25

A good portion of this current shit goes back to reagan

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u/lurkersteve3115 Jul 12 '25

actually, it all began in the nixon years. go find 'the republican noise machine' by david brock. it's all in there

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u/Lumfan Illinois Jul 12 '25

I'd take it back even earlier. When the Social Security Act was passed in 1935, conservative Southern Democrats made sure to exempt as many roles that were held by African Americans as possible (65% of the African American workforce was excluded). Later, conservatives got mad when the Federal Government employed Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to the recently established Medicare and Medicaid programs, effectively integrating hospitals and doctors' offices overnight. Taking the US back to the time before integration is the fever dream for today's conservatives.

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u/pragmatticus Jul 12 '25

It all comes down to the "Great" Compromise of 1877. We really should have let Sherman raze the entire south the way he did Atlanta.

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u/sailirish7 Texas Jul 12 '25

We really should have let Sherman raze the entire south the way he did Atlanta.

Yes.

But the larger problem was Lincoln's death and how reconstruction was bungled by his successor.

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u/Kenneth-J-Moyers Jul 13 '25

Not bungled, sabotaged.

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u/Werjun Jul 12 '25

Welcome to r/shermanposting. We should have left the south to their own devices. No one is better for keeping their political worldviews a part of this country, it’s all dependent on exploitation to some level.

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u/Spiel_Foss Jul 12 '25

This is the historical reality the US news media overlooks.

The Republican Southern Strategy has been a 50+ year effort to overturn civil rights progress and return to a segregated nation. As soon as a black man was elected President, Republicans lost their collective mind because that was the opposite direction of their racist ideology.

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u/zeCrazyEye Jul 12 '25

Yeah, and the idea that government is inefficient and incompetent is a propaganda reaction to the New Deal policies of the 30's. "Good enough for government work" used to be a compliment because the government had exacting standards instead of a profit motivation.

But the wealthy needed to convince the poor that government spending is always wasteful because they didn't want them asking for more social programs.

So they co-opted all that language and now it's common wisdom that government is always wasteful.

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u/ManufacturerThis7741 Jul 13 '25

A good reason that the government is wasteful is the mandate that the government has to contract out every other function to contractors. A mandate that conservatives inflicted on us. So any time the government has to do something, even upgrade software, it gets tied up in years and years of bidding wars,

Ezra Klein talks about this in Abundance. I know people may not like all his ideas but the book is worth a read.

What he doesn't mention is that many of these contractors have an active political/financial interest in making the government look bad. If the government accomplishes things, people will vote for the government to accomplish more things.

And that means more taxes/regulations on crappy behavior.

Essentially, the government is required to hire active saboteurs.

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u/dethwysh New York Jul 12 '25

This revelation just blew my fucking mind. Holy fuck. People that go around saying "No One Is Entitled to Anything" are even more garbage than I thought they were.

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u/Llohr Jul 12 '25

That seems like a correct usage of the word, just a stupid, and incorrect, sentiment.

Basically, they use entitled/entitlement to mean *self-entitled/self-entitlement."

They former means one is owed/has a right to something, the latter means acting like one is owed/has a right to something (or everything) without justification.

They take the descriptive word and turn it into an insulting one. E.g. Social Security and Medicare are entitlements because we individually pay for them in advance.

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u/pieceofchess Jul 12 '25

Don't forget that White power is a corruption of black power movements from the 60s. Conservatives have been doing this shit for a long long time. White lives matter is same shit different day.

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u/Spiel_Foss Jul 12 '25

Exactly, these are paid services to which people are entitled - because they fucking paid for them.

But US Republicans, like all authoritarians, love to twist language to fit their warped memescape.

Something, something double speak which someone once wrote a book about.

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u/songsofsilk Jul 12 '25

Both of you are right, but no I think them taking the word “patriot” was the beginning of the end. No only the Republican / MAGA vision is patriotic, and any different vision is categorically unthinkable. Nope, when Democrats call themselves a patriot they are faking their love of country, and are plotting on doing _________, because they actually hate it.

We need to take patriot back. Honestly it’s exhausting and insufferable watching these people turn that word against me.

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u/VonSkullenheim Jul 12 '25

Yup. The actual fake news got a full pass, exploded in number, and people got the perception the news was unfairly left-leaning and too biased. All the sudden 'fake news' means 'Truths about Donald Trump', and people are getting their 'news' from far-right propaganda groups on Facebook/Telegram/etc. Just a couple years later it's a bonafide cult by every measure, comprising a solid 5th of our population.

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u/morgan1381 Jul 12 '25

"Alternative facts" when the first stupid bitch said that talking about his inauguration attendance the first time and no one held their feet to the fire, I knew it was over

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u/bruce_lees_ghost Jul 12 '25

Fake news! /s

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u/outerdrive313 Jul 13 '25

And woke. Don't forget woke.

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u/Word1_Word2_4Numbers Jul 12 '25

When Clinton started throwing around "fake news" I knew that Trump was going to immediately pick that up and start using it back.

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u/opinionsareus Jul 12 '25

If we ever get our country back, I want to see the day that Noem sits in the Defendant's chair as she is sentenced to multiple years in Federal prison, along with every single senior ICE officer who carried out her illegal activities.

Additionally, every regular ICE officer that breaks the law needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and personally sued by the people whose rights they consciously violated. I want every one of them driven into bankruptcy and shame.

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u/PopcornApocalypse Jul 13 '25

That would require our leaders to, like, do their jobs when they hold power tho.

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u/itsFromTheSimpsons Jul 12 '25

which is why arguing with them is futile, you can only explain to onlookers how and why they're being disingenuous

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u/No-Problem49 Jul 12 '25

Come on bro, don’t make a mistake on the definition of anarchist right away right after talking about definitions lmfao.

Anarchists don’t believe in government or corporations.

Clearly the Trump admin and those working for them at a minimum believe in corporations.

They are fascists. Use the right word. It is really important

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u/TheCleverestIdiot Australia Jul 12 '25

I know you're going for a pun, but anarchists get arrested for feeding homeless people way too often to deserve that.

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u/Havocc89 Jul 12 '25

Learn what anarchists are. They’re on your side. These are no anarchists, nationalists are fascists.

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u/Kohakuzuma United Kingdom Jul 12 '25

Me when I don't know what an anarchist is:

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u/Highlow9 Jul 12 '25

But this is doxxing (publicly revealing somebody's identity without their consent), whether or not you think it is morally correct is a separate question.

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u/Jaredkorry Jul 12 '25

Doxxing is revealing private information about someone. The names of public officials are not private information.

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u/No-Problem49 Jul 12 '25

They consented when they decided to work for the federal government with my tax dollars. They really care they’d quit. But they dont; they are just trying to justify an escalation of violence

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u/Pileopilot Jul 12 '25

No it’s not. They are public employees, their pay is public knowledge, and they are doing these raids in public.

Seriously, go here and type in the name of any federal employee you know. They are employed for the people.

They wear the mask for the same reason bank robbers wear the mask, because they know what they are doing is wrong and they want to avoid being caught. It’s disgusting and we should try harder to make these people accountable.

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u/dane83 Jul 12 '25

publicly revealing somebody's identity without their consent

Public service workers consent when they take the job. It's part of the gig.

I literally had to sign something acknowledging my information, like my name, my salary, and my title, would be publicly available.

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u/MadBullogna Jul 12 '25

Exactly. And that’s all public employees, Municipal/County, State, Fed, & not just those serving as LEOs. Hell, I spent my first career as a civilian for a local county for over two decades, and routinely had to either provide my first/last name, or first name and employee ID/‘badge no.’, not a big deal. The public has a right to identify those who work on their behalf, and thus who to laud after a good interaction or complain after a negative.

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u/SpellslutterSprite Jul 12 '25

Again: they are public servants; their identities should not be secrets anyway. This is just correcting a wrong.

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u/646blahblahblah Jul 12 '25

It's not. Civil employees work for the people. This is the same reason police officers, military personnel wear their name. Edit word

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u/Antique_Scheme3548 Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25

Democrats have been morally correct for 25 years. America is about to be eaten by oligarchs and enemies of the state who have taken control of manufacturing consent.

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u/DavidOrWalter Jul 12 '25

It’s not doxxing at all - these people are public servants.

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u/spursy11 Jul 12 '25

Gotta wonder why someone from the Netherlands is an ICE bootlicker. Always interesting

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u/Contagious_Zombie Jul 12 '25

It’s also not doxxing unless anyone that gives out their name is considered doxxing. Now if they list their home addresses, personal vehicle plates and family members names then that’s doxxing. The people just want them to have identification such as a name tag and a badge number just like the police.

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u/PotaToss Jul 12 '25

And get warrants.

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u/boulderbuford Jul 12 '25

And after months of incredibly abusive behavior by goons hiding their identity - I don't think any amount of detail is doxxing.

This is a rational and needed response to abuse.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 12 '25

The fact they hide their identities suggests they don't want their actions asociated with their names. If they are wielding the authority of the state, they should be out and proud.

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u/ElonDiedLOL Jul 12 '25

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u/ElonDiedLOL Jul 12 '25

I stand by what I said.

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u/dasterdly_duo Jul 12 '25

They're proto or outright Nazis. I wouldn't care if they are given the full doxxed treatment. We should offer no consideration or mercy to these terrorists.

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u/Contagious_Zombie Jul 12 '25

Yeah, if they refuse to identify themselves while kidnapping people from our communities then they should be shown no mercy in any form when it comes to identifying them.

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u/Still_Independent_90 Jul 12 '25

Agreed. No identification, no faces, very few warrants. They are literal kidnappers.

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u/Homelessavacadotoast Jul 12 '25

At this point, MAGA is just the same as Neo-Nazi

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u/Medallicat Jul 12 '25

Gestapo or Stasi would be the closest comparison to ICE.

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u/housecatapocalypse Jul 12 '25

Honestly, considering who is being identified for their actions, making all of that other info known is A-OK, and extremely necessary. 

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u/butwhyisitso Jul 12 '25

Someone needs to animate a doxxing refresher á la "Schoolhouse Rock!"

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u/Marionberry_Bellini Jul 12 '25

The article literally opens with the guys address being leaked.  I don’t care personally if they get doxxed they deserve it for being in their little terror squads but it was definitely more than just their name

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u/Contagious_Zombie Jul 12 '25

Well, they should probably identify themselves so the people can contact their superiors and have a legal process to account for their actions. Those who make peaceful revolution accountability impossible will make violent revolution defense inevitable. Or as The Heritage Foundation’s president Kevin Roberts claimed on fox news the second American revolution would “remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” *

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u/AgitatorsAnonymous Jul 12 '25

The article literally opens with the guys address being leaked.

Leaked is a strong word. Most of them have names and addresses listed in the phonebooks that still go out, which also means that digitized phone listing have them and thus sites like the white pages have them.

If I look a person up in the phonebook and then list their address that is not doxxing.

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u/it_is_hopper Jul 13 '25

so you mean, the stuff republicans do to their political enemies, judges, rivals....the usual?

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

To be fair, the photo shows their address. That part is don't agree with. But their name and face? Shouldn't be hidden.

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u/lolligasm California Jul 12 '25

Why not give their addresses? Why should they get to feel safe? Terrorizing people like they do.

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u/Nueraman1997 Jul 12 '25

I mean look I’m all for making nazis afraid to be nazis, but I do think we should be careful before we put innocents at risk, namely their kids. Once that information is out there we don’t have control over who responds. Best case scenario is targeted protests, worst case is some batshit accelerationist taking action and harming their families as well. It’s still true that most violence of that nature is perpetrated by the right, but things aren’t getting more stable around here, and unfortunately I foresee violence in general becoming more commonplace.

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u/lolligasm California Jul 12 '25

Oh no they would have to feel that same fear they put on those families they kidnap and put in concentration camps.

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u/housecatapocalypse Jul 12 '25

I agree with you entirely. If someone’s past antisocial, violent, psychopathic actions towards law-abiding, nonviolent people make them suddenly feel afraid for their current and future safety, that’s on them. Psychopaths like that should live in constant fear of retribution. 

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u/thecloudcities Jul 12 '25

You don’t know who else lives there. Whatever you think about what they’re doing, bringing a spouse and/or kids into it is not ok.

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u/ibrewbeer Jul 12 '25

But they can terrorize anyone they want, arrest anyone they want for no reason, and enter any home they feel like, laws be damned. They know they’re doing wrong, but they’re responsible for their family. Maybe they shouldn’t be doing things that put their families at risk.

Maybe they should feel the fear they’re instilling in others. Maybe their kids should feel like immigrant kids do every goddamn day.

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u/AgitatorsAnonymous Jul 12 '25

One of the very first things that the federal agencies, military and other government agencies do is explain why your work makes your family a target. They accepted the job same as I did with the Air Force.

Quite literally these jobs have always very much been, take the job and put your family at risk.

If the ICE guys were being decent, not abusing people and perhaps looking at immigration cases honestly and with empathy, they wouldn't be getting their information leaked.

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

I doubt most of them live alone. Their kids are entitled to feel safe. All kids are entitled to feel safe. No exceptions.

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u/housecatapocalypse Jul 12 '25

They can always move, or maybe their wives should file for divorce. 

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

Yep. For sure. The kids can definitely move. /s

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u/housecatapocalypse Jul 12 '25

It’s the parents’ job to keep their kids safe, and part of that is to not indulgently engage in activities that would endanger their families. That’s basic elementary knowledge for a parent. Parents should generally be aware of their behavior and not upset the well being of their family by engaging in risky activities that threatens their well being, like needlessly sending innocent people from other families to their deaths in black site concentration camps in foreign countries. 

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

...so when the parents don't do that, the kid is just shit out of luck. Its OK if they are harmed because their parent failed to prevent it. Nice perspective. Thanks for sharing.

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u/ibrewbeer Jul 12 '25

Immigrant kids are also entitled to feel safe. Where’s the pearl clutching for them?

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

I would consider immigrant children to be part of all children. So, we fully agree. They are entitled to feel and be safe.

There's absolutely no pearl clutching here. I just haven't lost my ability to think rationally and independently. I can be concerned about both immigrant children, and the children of ICE agents all at the same time, realizing that all of them are innocent and none of them deserve to be unsafe.

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u/ibrewbeer Jul 12 '25

The difference is that immigrant kids are unsafe because of the color of their skin, which they cannot change. Dad that works for ICE is endangering his family because he chose to WORK for the gestapo. You know, accept money to terrorize his own community.

Dad can get a new job and his kids will be safer, and probably more proud of him. He might even be a contributor to a safe and sane society. Immigrant kids don’t have that option. As long as dad decides immigrants should be afraid, I have no problem remind him that his family is also vulnerable.

We’re way past the point where you can claim “it’s wrong when ICE does it, so it’s wrong when anyone does it.” ICE does it for fear and power. They’re punching down, so to speak. Anyone making lives harder for ICE agents aren’t punching down, they’re resisting fascism and authoritarianism.

See the difference? Your approach allows ICE to continue with even less push back. Mine has a chance of making their recruitment efforts more difficult.

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

Kids do not choose their parents nor their parents' line of work. They cannot choose to leave. They cannot defend themselves.

All kids are innocent. All kids deserve to be safe.

By alerting people to the addresses of ICE agents, you endanger everyone who lives at that address. That could include children and/or frail elderly who have nothing to do with anything that is going on now. Their lives matter. I find a line of thinking that contradicts that to be inconceivable.

I have no intention or desire for ICE to continue without pushback. ICE agents need to be held fully accountable for their actions. I think the first step is taking away their masks and requiring them to identify themselves. I think that, in and of itself, would cause resignations.

I do not view their children as acceptable collateral damage.

It seems that you think they are.

If your conscience allows you to designate some innocents as undeserving of the same protections as others, we can't really have a meaningful conversation. I will NEVER agree that any child's life is an acceptable means to an end.

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

Wow. Im being downvoted for saying all kids are entitled to safety. I thought that would be a pretty non-controversial statement.

I'll go ahead and mentally lump you folks in with the ICE agents and MAGA who also believe kids don't deserve to be safe. Funny how you've come to occupy the same space as that which you hate.

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u/inkcannerygirl Jul 12 '25

Keeping in mind that plenty of posts on the Internet are trying to make everyone mad at everyone so that we stay disorganized and/or the probability of violence is increased

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

Good point. Well taken.

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u/AgitatorsAnonymous Jul 12 '25

Address records are public.

If you own the home anyone can walk into city hall and verify the deeds you own.

Additionally, most of these guys are probably in the white pages. This is less doxxing and more making already publicly available info more available. Phonebooks still exist.

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

Yes. They are. We agree. Many people will not take the steps needed to gain that information. But putting it on a website freely gives access. To someone who could take impulsive action.

Are there phone books everywhere?

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u/feor1300 Canada Jul 12 '25

This incident specifically is doxxing, the flyer shown in the story includes the officer's home address (blacked out for obvious reasons). One of the parties they're accusing of doing this has denied that they are publishing anything other than pictures, names, and badge numbers, but there is definitely someone handing out the ICE agents home addresses.

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u/Kevin-W Jul 12 '25

100% hence why it's not illegal to film the police either.

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u/baintaintit Jul 12 '25

the scotus majority enters the chat

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u/Dat_Mawe3000 Jul 12 '25

And their salaries.

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u/honjuden Jul 12 '25

Should be public, but the current law lets them exempt law enforcement from things like FOIA requests and sunshine laws.

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u/JusticeJaunt New Jersey Jul 13 '25

It's crazy that we will provide the identity of the purpose saving your life (healthcare professionals on the consumer affairs website) but we won't do the same for the masked "agent" arresting you.

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u/mercosyr Jul 12 '25

That's false. Law enforcement (and ICE falls here) has the right for privacy, especially when the nature of the work is sensitive and can lead to harassment. Let's not pretend that many people are angry at ICE just because they are doing their Government mandated work.

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u/Astralkid12 Jul 12 '25

Defendending doxxing is crazy

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u/superfluousapostroph Jul 12 '25

Defending fascism is crazier.

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u/Astralkid12 Jul 12 '25

No, I literally just don't think they should be doxxrd. Although this regime definitely has bad tendencies, this is batshit insane

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u/superfluousapostroph Jul 12 '25

Yes, defending fascism is crazier than defending doxxing.

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u/Highlow9 Jul 12 '25

That is not how that works. Doxxing is publicly revealing somebody's identity without their consent. That is happening here

You could argue that doxxing in this case is morally justified but it still is doxxing.

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u/alwaysintheway Jul 12 '25

They consented when they signed up for the job.

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u/Highlow9 Jul 12 '25

No they didn't. Please point me to the law/policy that says that they should be identifiable. Again whether you think they should be is irrelevant for the question of their consent.

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u/wilburschocolate Jul 12 '25

Public servants have no expectation of privacy when serving the public.

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u/Llarys Jul 12 '25

Just to confirm: you aren't being a contrarian and genuinely believe there are no laws stating enforcement officers within the United States need to be identifiable?

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u/Highlow9 Jul 12 '25

Indeed, specifically not of ICE (normal police officer do).

And also to be clear, I also think they should be identifiable, but that currently is not the law.

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u/Carnifex72 Jul 12 '25

Most officers are required to provide a name, the agency and badge number or some type of verification of their legal authority when asked.

Otherwise how do you know it’s not just some heavily armed asshole impersonating a police officer or a home invasion etc?

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u/fibrous Jul 12 '25

2021 Federal Defense Authorization Act included a stipulation that all federal police need to wear name badges when engaging in crowd control. while that is not ICE's primary job, they are doing it regularly in LA, Portland, etc

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u/Jaredkorry Jul 12 '25

No, revealing the name of PUBLIC OFFICIALS is not doxxing. You won't be taken seriously when you argue the law enforcement should be able to hide their identity. There have already been reports of people impersonating ICE, the super secret Gestapo who refuses to identify themselves, to commit crimes.