r/politics • u/Zen1 Oregon • Jul 12 '25

Paywall ICE officers doxxed by antifa, anarchists in Portland, Noem says

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/07/ice-officers-doxxed-by-antifa-anarchists-in-portland-dhs-says.html
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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

I doubt most of them live alone. Their kids are entitled to feel safe. All kids are entitled to feel safe. No exceptions.

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u/ibrewbeer Jul 12 '25

Immigrant kids are also entitled to feel safe. Where’s the pearl clutching for them?

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

I would consider immigrant children to be part of all children. So, we fully agree. They are entitled to feel and be safe.

There's absolutely no pearl clutching here. I just haven't lost my ability to think rationally and independently. I can be concerned about both immigrant children, and the children of ICE agents all at the same time, realizing that all of them are innocent and none of them deserve to be unsafe.

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u/ibrewbeer Jul 12 '25

The difference is that immigrant kids are unsafe because of the color of their skin, which they cannot change. Dad that works for ICE is endangering his family because he chose to WORK for the gestapo. You know, accept money to terrorize his own community.

Dad can get a new job and his kids will be safer, and probably more proud of him. He might even be a contributor to a safe and sane society. Immigrant kids don’t have that option. As long as dad decides immigrants should be afraid, I have no problem remind him that his family is also vulnerable.

We’re way past the point where you can claim “it’s wrong when ICE does it, so it’s wrong when anyone does it.” ICE does it for fear and power. They’re punching down, so to speak. Anyone making lives harder for ICE agents aren’t punching down, they’re resisting fascism and authoritarianism.

See the difference? Your approach allows ICE to continue with even less push back. Mine has a chance of making their recruitment efforts more difficult.

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u/Lower-Cantaloupe3274 Jul 12 '25

Kids do not choose their parents nor their parents' line of work. They cannot choose to leave. They cannot defend themselves.

All kids are innocent. All kids deserve to be safe.

By alerting people to the addresses of ICE agents, you endanger everyone who lives at that address. That could include children and/or frail elderly who have nothing to do with anything that is going on now. Their lives matter. I find a line of thinking that contradicts that to be inconceivable.

I have no intention or desire for ICE to continue without pushback. ICE agents need to be held fully accountable for their actions. I think the first step is taking away their masks and requiring them to identify themselves. I think that, in and of itself, would cause resignations.

I do not view their children as acceptable collateral damage.

It seems that you think they are.

If your conscience allows you to designate some innocents as undeserving of the same protections as others, we can't really have a meaningful conversation. I will NEVER agree that any child's life is an acceptable means to an end.