r/politics • u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin • Jul 22 '25
Paywall Mike Johnson shuts US House until September to avoid Epstein vote
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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 Jul 22 '25
Who knew Mike Johnson was a creepy enabler?
Everyone?
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u/SnailRacerWinsAgain Oregon Jul 22 '25
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u/Greizen_bregen Jul 22 '25
I come from a church background. When I was younger I was in a church group for "pornography addiction" and they recommended this software for accountability. I never did use it, though at the time I thought anything would be worth it to cure the porn addiction.
Two things I've now learned from this: first, the ends so not justify the means at all. This is a sick way to try to cure porn addiction, and there is little to no evidence it helps at all. Subjecting someone else to your porn is more harmful than you watching porn. By far.
Second, my "porn addiction", using quotation marks intentionally, which I thought was the most vile and spiritually depraved thing imaginable, that I sounded l agonized over and felt so helpless against... It all went away once I got my ADHD and Depression diagnosis and was properly medicated. Turns out my brain was just starving for dopamine. It wasn't a spiritual or moral failure at all. It was just imbalanced chemicals in my brain.
These methods like Covenant Eyes for dealing with porn completely miss the problem, and make some very weird power structures.
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u/DullBasket4982 Jul 23 '25
It’s the software that Josh Duggar and his wife used to keep him on the straight and narrow. Clearly worked wonders.
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u/Drewsif1980 Jul 22 '25
Funny how he says his son has a clean slate, but fails to mention if his is clean or dirty.
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u/SoRaffy Jul 22 '25
He looks like the type who would get caught doing perverted things
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u/Parfait_Prestigious Jul 22 '25
That’s why he and his son monitor each others porn consumption! He’ll never get caught that way.
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u/EasyFooted Jul 22 '25
Who? The guy who shares masturbation push notifications with his kid? Naaaah.
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u/HawkeyeSherman Jul 22 '25
They guy who creeps on the porn his son watches is a creepy enabler? Shocked I tell you, SHOCKED! /s
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u/city_dwellerZ Jul 22 '25
You don’t shut down the country’s business of apparently nonexistent files. This response is sending the message that they exist and that they are devastating. And the request to shut down probably came from Trump himself.
It’s more important than ever to get these files released.
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u/Rombledore America Jul 22 '25
seriously. this is making them look so goddamn guilty. our government is running interference for pedophiles- some of which are in the highest levels of our government.
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u/returnFutureVoid Jul 22 '25
This is real life Pizzagate but the pizza shop is the fucking US Congress.
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u/barryfatbaps Jul 22 '25
Papa Don's
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u/OlJohnZ Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Younger ingredients, better secrets. Papa Don's
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u/ynwahs Jul 22 '25
At levels no one has ever seen before.
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u/sanebyday Jul 22 '25
The best levels
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u/JimmyRamone17_ Jul 22 '25
Tremendous levels, folks. No one's ever seen levels like this
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u/sDios_13 Massachusetts Jul 22 '25
A lot of people don’t know this, but my uncle—brilliant man, genius, absolute genius—he was one of the best, maybe the best, at understanding things nobody else could understand, okay? Worked at MIT, very elite, very exclusive. You needed a brain the size of a watermelon to get in there, folks. And my uncle? He had TWO. Two brains. They said, ‘We’ve never seen someone do math like this. Just incredible stuff. The best. People were crying in the labs.’”
“And you know, when Einstein died—very smart guy, some people say not as smart as my uncle, I don’t know—they brought Einstein’s papers to my uncle. Not to Harvard, not to the Pentagon. To my uncle. Why? Because they knew. They knew he was the only one who could figure it out. That’s true. You can look it up.”
“Now you look at the Epstein files—very nasty stuff, very bad people, you wouldn’t believe it. Very rich, very powerful. You’d be shocked. But it all connects, folks. The science, the secrets, the people. Some of these people, they were very involved in technology, psychology, mind control, probably even with the scientists. Epstein was into that, they don’t tell you that part. They don’t want you to know my uncle knew things. He saw it coming, long before anyone else. That’s why they were afraid. That’s why they hid the names, the flight logs, all of it.”
“I’m just saying—if they had listened to my uncle, if they had listened to me, a lot of these sick people wouldn’t have gotten away with it. But they didn’t. And now you have chaos. Disgraceful!”
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u/JimmyRamone17_ Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
"My uncle taught at MIT for 51 years. Can you believe that? When he joined the department, he was already a genius with 3 degrees. Nuclear, chemical and math.
He taught the "HOTTEST" courses at MIT and people would line up outside his office to make sure that they could get a seat at his class to learn from him. It was unbelievable, but he amazed a lot of people. Some even called him a super genius with a very high IQ.
He was so good that he even taught Ted Kaczynski and he's known for being a brilliant guy and he got it from my uncle. He's so well regarded at MIT that all the other professors would beg him to help them set up their own courses, even in fields he wasn't familiar with. When he had them all taken care of, he'd leave and they'd have tears in their eyes from gratitude. What a terrific and incredible guy really.
The Fake News Media is lucky that the two of them aren't around right now because if they were around I know that they'd see right through the Jeffrey Epstein "HOAX" and how it was written by Obama, the Democrats and all of their evidence was made with AI. They knew about AI back then, they predicted it, many people are saying"
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u/On_A_Related_Note Jul 22 '25
I can't even tell whether these quotes are real or not anymore. What a terrible timeline this is.
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u/SnooMarzipans436 Jul 22 '25
Fortunately or unfortunately
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u/ThaneKwappin I voted Jul 22 '25
And these levels walked up to me. Big, strong levels, tears in their eyes. “Sir you have the best levels”. Can you believe that!?
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u/Sptsjunkie Jul 22 '25
The good news is I think they are overplaying their hands here. I have said a few times before, both parties (who to be clear are not the same) seem to have a bit of a blind spot to what is a step too far for "normie voters" who don't pay attention to a lot of the day-to-day politician content we do, but certain things stick with them.
In 2022, Republicans had a red wave and they decided to take advantage and ran a lot of candidates who explicitly were running on invalidating elections and overriding results. Every single one of those candidates lost. Normie voters will "both sides" way too much and ignore a lot of our legitimate critiques about Republicans, but they actually do like democracy and their votes mattering and running on invalidating elections was a bridge too far for them.
In 2024, even before Biden's debate, a lot of voters realized he was just too old and infirm to be president again. He was losing in basically every poll even pre-debate and in swing states. And there were Democrats saying "stop talking about his age, I'd vote for Joe Biden's corpse over Donald Trump." And look, that might have been the right thing to do. But to a lot of Normie Voters, having a President who was very frail and who was having clear cognitive issues running to be President for another 4 years was a bridge to far.
Now, Republicans really think that protecting child predators is going to be ok? L:ike this is one of the few red lines that people actually seem to care about. Maybe this gets resolved quickly and never fully gets into the public consciousness. Voter memories are short. But this feels like something that if it drags on is going to mean something to Normie Voters.
To be clear, while I used examples from both sides, this is not meant to imply that both sides or the same or both sides are cults or anything like that. I am a Democrat and think we are worlds better than conservatives and MAGA obviously (!). But I still think that we can all have blind spots about how lower information of less politically engaged voters can think and the stories that just never register to them and the ones that can make people and candidates look really really bad.
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u/lazyFer Jul 22 '25
In 2024, even before Biden's debate, a lot of voters realized he was just too old and infirm to be president again.
Notice that Trump has sounded like the dementia addled geriatric diaper wearing moron he is and that didn't stop anyone from voting for him.
You call them "blind spots" about low information voters...the problem is less about blind spots and more about how the fuck do you reach people so out of tune of everything? They have to find SOMETHING to be interested in in order to bother paying any attention at all. It doesn't help when all the mainstream media outlets are all owned by the wealthy that like those sweet sweet tax breaks from Republicans.
Mainstream media ran stories 24x7 about Biden being old...then sanewashed every fucking utterance of Trump.
"blind spot" is the wrong adjective friend.
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u/thinkards America Jul 22 '25
our government is running interference
99% of them are Republicans. Let's be specific about who is responsible.
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u/Plaid_Piper Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
It's clear that the Republicans have a large faction of "Secret Sex Party" goers. I believe it's been something that has been happening since at least the 70's. Not saying it doesn't happen on the Democrat side, but I am saying that parties like this are often loaded with honeypots and are a prime target for sexpionage. Anywhere powerful people start throwing sperm around on the regular becomes a prime target.
Who do we know that has experience throwing secret sex parties? Who was that guys best friend for years? Who was able to basically take over the GOP without much significant resistance? Who was able to convince the GOP to work in lockstep with them, despite the significant chance of losing support from their constituents? Who stood with him EVEN AFTER JAN 6th.
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u/throwaway_circus Jul 22 '25
I remember when Rep. Madison Cawthorn was staunchly defended by the GOP for racism, vacationing at Hitler's home, spouting anti-Ukrainian Russian propaganda, defending J6. But when he mentioned GOP orgies and coke, all of a sudden, bye bye job. This was the moment it all started going downhill for him, when he noticed his party was being run by geriatric degenerates:
“I mean, being kind of a young guy in Washington, where the average age is probably 60 or 70 — you know, I look at all these people, a lot of them that I’ve always looked up to through my life, always paid attention to politics, guys that, you know. Then all of the sudden you get invited to, like, ‘Oh hey, we’re going to have kind of a sexual get-together at one of our homes. You should come,’ ” Cawthorn said in the interview, which was reported Sunday by Business Insider. “And I’m like, ‘What? What did you just ask me to come to?’ And then you realize they’re asking you to come to an orgy.”
Cawthorn also claimed that he had witnessed unnamed prominent figures in Washington doing cocaine.
“Or the fact that, you know, there’s some of the people that are leading on the movement to try and remove addiction in our country, and then you watch them do a key bump of cocaine right in front of you. And it’s like, this is wild,” he said.
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u/Plaid_Piper Jul 22 '25
Yep Cawthorn was a very significant canary in the coal mine imo. When that happened we should have been digging hard and making him name names.
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u/AnnikaSkyeWalker Jul 22 '25
Also, the way his career got destroyed was that a video leaked of him having sex with another guy.
Sure as hell seems like whoever's been gathering sexual kompromat on the GOP gathered it on Madison, too. And when he threatened to reveal the whole operation, they dropped it to destroy his career.
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u/Polyman71 Jul 22 '25
These were not secret sex parties. These were organized child rapes.
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u/Plaid_Piper Jul 22 '25
That they were, but while it is disgusting and disturbing, it's not a stretch to go from "known secret sex parties loaded with republicans" to "very very secret sex parties loaded with children and surreptitious recording equipment, and also republicans".
It's possible that this sick operation was integral to gaining power, against all odds. IMO it would explain a lot.
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u/ahuramazdobbs19 Jul 22 '25
Anyone wondering at this point why Madison Cawthorn got buried within the party doesn’t need to be wondering anymore.
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u/Rombledore America Jul 22 '25
i'm sure Bill Clinton is on there, and if so- punish him for his crimes too. byut by and large- yeah, the only ones voting against this, multiple times, are republicans.
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u/thinkards America Jul 22 '25
for sure, i'm not defending anyone on that list. dems have no issue going after their own - that's a good thing.
i'm just calling out that every dem that voted, voted to release the files. and every republican that voted, voted not to. it's the republicans who are trying to cover it up.
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u/Cairnerebor Jul 22 '25
Yes but is it cutting through with his support ?
That’s 100% all that matters
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u/The_Weresloth Jul 22 '25
It was.
The entirety of the Conservative sub was all Epstien two weeks ago.
Then they moved it to one dedicated thread.
Now that thread is gone and they are back to Hunter Biden's laptop and not mentioning Epstien at all.
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u/Cairnerebor Jul 22 '25
And irl ?
Any cut through? Uk here so genuinely interested
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u/richardcraniumIII Jul 22 '25
I check out the comments on Fox News, TruthSocial and X under the Epstein posts. At first, MAGA seemed to be very disappointed with Trump for not doing more about the Epstein case. That was not that long ago and now it seems they've moved on to whatever Trump says. They LOVE the idea of Obama, Biden, Hillary being in prison. They also are very racist so they especially hate Obama. So, a small percentage might be finally understanding that Trump is really avoiding the Epstein file and that looks really bad on Trump. I have little hope of the rest of MAGA changing.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio Jul 22 '25
I assume it’s because dissent has been deleted on those platforms.
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u/vlatheimpaler I voted Jul 22 '25
Conservative sub is almost certainly modded by foreign adversaries.
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u/Cairnerebor Jul 22 '25
Ffs
Back to Obama and Clinton
These people will destroy the whole fucking world
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u/LAM_humor1156 South Carolina Jul 22 '25
Idk. Irl - I live in a very Conservative area and it is the first time in years, like since Trump first came onto the scene politically, that people have taken their flags down. They aren't as eager to talk about him. A lot of disappointment being expressed. If you push it some are quick to say "but he did/is doing this good thing", but it is nice to see the enthusiasm dwindling.
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u/Cairnerebor Jul 22 '25
Now that’s promising real world news as the online space is so full of astroturfing, bots and bullshit
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u/LAM_humor1156 South Carolina Jul 22 '25
You would be astounded by the amount of people that voted for Trump and have absolutely no idea what he has done. They literally can't tell you what has been in the news. Can't tell you what he said in an interview. Their pastor at church just said "Vote Trump" and they did because "Democrats evil". I'm hoping there is enough shame going around now that at least not as many come out to vote for Republicans come midterms.
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u/Holsen92 Washington Jul 22 '25
Genuinely curious what the bot to human ratio is for those comments
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u/Circumin Jul 22 '25
Conservative media is working hard to distract them and convince them to move on, and it seems to have mostly worked
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u/thrust-johnson Jul 22 '25
Big time. These people are powerless against propaganda. It’s why we’re in this mess to begin with.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio Jul 22 '25
I think it’s important to point out that it’s back to the laptop and business as usual because the mods over there appear to be deleting news about it. Pretty big yikes. I do wonder how many people they’ve put off by that stunt.
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u/zoroddesign Utah Jul 22 '25
It is not just our government, if Prince Andrew is any indication, it is multiple countries' governments.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts Jul 22 '25
Think about how many opportunities they will have to distract from those files between now and when congress resumes. I'm seeing so much traction being given to the Coldplay cheater and very little to Epstein files.
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u/Rombledore America Jul 22 '25
tons of time to "flood the zone with shit". we can't let up.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts Jul 22 '25
We could be in a hot war or Trump could have a health scare. Any number of things and those files and accusations become yesterday's news.
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u/DrZaious Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Only if you stop flooding the zone. We must do what they have done for the last 8.5 years, contol the conversation. "Whatabout the Epstein files." We pull every conversation back to Trump and Epstein no matter how unrelated the topic is. Just like they did with, but her emails, Biden's laptop, Biden canceled pipeline, immigrant invaders, let's go Brandon, I thought she was indian, Harris hasn't accomplished anything as VP, Harris supports prisoners transitioning, and etc.
If you see a video of an old lady showing off her homemade dinner, you mention Trump and Epstein.
How you win on social media is by controlling the conversation. To contol the conversation you must hammer that idea into the minds of people, where it becomes unavoidable and predictable. You make the narrative something the opposition is forced to confront every time they do or say anything.
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u/JDogg126 Michigan Jul 22 '25
this is the same party that nominated a felon for president. i dont think they actually care about laws or being guilty of anything. it's all manufactured drama designed to keep people distract and maintain chaos to allow max grifting.
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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
This is the republicans voting no to release the files. Pedo protecting
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u/Spaceman2901 Texas Jul 22 '25
I’m coming to believe that those who act to protect a pedophile are themselves pedophiles.
Kind of like Weeping Angels, but far more evil.
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u/Shot-Job-8841 Jul 22 '25
There was a few Republicans defending Trump by arguing that since the youngest girls were 14, he technically couldn’t have engaged in pedo acts there. When your defence starts splitting hairs, you know you look like shit.
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u/CLM1919 Jul 22 '25
Being too cowardly to vote is a little closer to the mark. We gotta keep the pressure up!n
But yeah, I agree. 😉
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u/RightSideBlind American Expat Jul 22 '25
This response is sending the message that they exist and that they are devastating.
Yep. Everyone should realize the math that the Republicans are doing right now- openly working to hide the Epstein information is less politically damaging to them than letting the public see the files.
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u/MattyIce1220 New Jersey Jul 22 '25
If I'm the democrats I counter by running ads saying "release the Epstein files. What are you afraid of president taco?"
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u/Polantaris Jul 22 '25
Woah, woah, woah, you want the Democrats to actually play the media game? That's ridiculous!
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u/Slade_Riprock Jul 22 '25
Wild how all we heard about leading up to 2016 was Hillary's emails, lock her up. Then nothing.
This time around his underlings talk about being the lost transparent, they'd release everything. Epstein files are coming because they just knew it'd get Clinton... Then nothing.
Which had to give you insight into HOW FUCKING DAMNING those files must be to MAGA of they can't even manufacture the evidence into an indictment of democrats. I men's his name and those of very powerful MAGA supports must be just woven. Throughout to the point they can't be covered up.
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u/WillSym Jul 22 '25
If they're trying to go back to the Hillary emails thing, maybe add that on top of the Epstein pressure, maybe if mishandling of classified government information on private servers and property is such a big deal we reopen what happened after the last Trump administration with a much greater quantity of sensitive information? Not to mention the Signal leaks business more recently?
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u/antidense Jul 22 '25
If you did nothing wrong, what do you have to hide? -GOP on literally anything else.
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u/nosayso Jul 22 '25
Honestly I think Republicans would rather talk about Epstein than defend their budget bill or ICE. We already know Trump is a pedo and long time Epstein friend and he's won two presidential elections with that hanging over him, clearly it doesn't hurt them. "Gross Old Pedophiles" is a pretty old meme that's never stopped them before.
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u/RemusShepherd Jul 22 '25
We know it, but until recently his base refused to believe it.
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u/Imaginary_Art_2412 Jul 22 '25
Yep. The sad thing is, they’re going to desperately try and ‘flood the zone’ with more extreme news until September so that people forget about this like everything else
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u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin Jul 22 '25
Partial timeline of how we got here:
February 16, 2017: Alex Acosta nominated Secretary of Labor.
July 2, 2019: Jeffrey Epstein indicted.
July 12, 2019: Alex Acosta resigns.
August 10, 2019: Epstein dies by suicide.
June 20, 2020: Trump fires Geoffrey Berman from SDNY who indicted Epstein
June 29, 2020: Ghislaine Maxwell indicted.
March 29, 2021: Maxwell's Superseding indictment.
November 16, 2021: Maxwell Jury selection begins.
December 29, 2021: Maxwell convicted on 5 of 6 counts.
February 28, 2023: Maxwell appeals.
September 17, 2024: Second Circuit rejects appeal.
January 15, 2025: Maxwell delays SCOTUS appeal until Trump is inaugurated
March 2025: Pam Bondi conducts emergency review of Epstein and Maxwell documents.
April 10, 2025: Maxwell files cert petition at SCOTUS
May 7, 2025: Trump's Solicitor General John Sauer delays SCOTUS response.
June 6, 2025: Trump's Solicitor General John Sauer delays SCOTUS response again
July 7, 2025: Pam Bondi claims there’s no there there.
July 8, 2025: Trump loses it over questions about Epstein.
July 12, 2025: Trump attempts to claim Epstein is a Democratic plot.
July 14, 2025: DOJ defends Maxwell prosecution at SCOTUS
July 15, 2025: WSJ interviews Trump about Epstein Birthday Book
July 16, 2025: Pam Bondi fires Maurene Comey (Maxwell's prosecutor), on Trump’s personal authority.
July 17, 2025: Trump yells at supporters who won’t move on from Epstein.
July 18, 2025: Trumps defense lawyer Todd Blanche files to unseal Maxwells grand jury materials
July 22, 2025: Mike Johnson shuts US House until September to avoid Epstein vote
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u/lumberjackname Jul 22 '25
Should add in some dates on which Trump campaigned on releasing the Epstein files.
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u/Salt_Tear5054 Jul 22 '25
And the Bill Barr connection to Epstein’s original prosecution.
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u/seamus_mc California Jul 22 '25
And barr’s father employing Epstein as a school teacher despite him being a college dropout
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u/Salt_Tear5054 Jul 22 '25
It’s absurd how obvious trump rapes kids. It’s insane.
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u/donkeyrocket Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
It's also insane how far so many people are going to cover it up for him. They're doing a terrible job but they're still doing it. I truly don't get how it got to the point of Trump having such a grip on the entire Republican party.
It's truly disgusting to think that there are a good number of people in this knowingly covering for a pedophile who may not be pedophiles themselves. I'm sure someday if this ever gets blown open they'll claim they had no idea but it's so fucking weird.
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u/axonxorz Canada Jul 22 '25
Barr's father, while employed as headmaster for Dalton School, authored "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale". A book about an intergalactic empire of aristocrat psychopaths who sexually enslave and rape teenagers.
Main character decides that, sure, I guess I could stop raping these teenagers if there's an alien invasion coming.
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u/TeenyTinyHat Jul 22 '25
These damn masters of intrigue and concealment, how will we ever catch them?
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u/stubob Jul 22 '25
And that Acosta shut down a FBI indictment of Epstein in 2008 with a plea deal that "granted immunity from all federal criminal charges to Epstein, along with four named co-conspirators and any unnamed "potential co-conspirators".
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u/Goodknight808 Jul 22 '25
There's nothing to see here. Also, everyone involved is now immune from prosecution because there is no evidence. So its real important to protect them from future litigation over non-existent evidence.
Why give immunity to something that they said doesn't exist? Make it make sense.
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u/DckThik Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
There’s probably more. This is just what I could get at a glance.
• June 3, 2024: Trump told Fox & Friends that he would “probably” declassify the Epstein files if re-elected, though he called some of it “phony stuff.” (ABC11)
• June 2024: Trump’s campaign War Room posted on X that he would “DECLASSIFY the 9/11 Files, JFK Files, and Epstein Files.” (Meidas News)
• September 2024: On the Lex Fridman podcast, Trump reiterated he would “certainly take a look” at releasing the Epstein client list. (ABC11)
• October 2024: Senator J.D. Vance and other MAGA allies echoed Trump’s pledge, saying “we need to release the Epstein list.” (PolitiFact)
• January 30, 2025: Trump’s FBI Director nominee Kash Patel told the Senate he intended to expose anyone who “worked with Jeffrey Epstein.” (PolitiFact)
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u/theChucktheLee Jul 22 '25
... also Bondi: "The FBI, she said, was reviewing “tens of thousands of videos” of the wealthy financier “with children or child porn.”"
I guess the orange Chump was in too many of those 1,000's of videos that they had to be "misplaced".
"GOP Supports Pedophiles and Rapists!"
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u/zigzagouttacompton Jul 22 '25
And also when Pam Bondi said she had a list on her desk
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u/Auerbach1991 Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
You need to include every time republicans voted to block releasing information or files.
Fox and republicans keep saying Dems are voting AGAINST releasing the files. It’s bullshit.
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u/Amag140696 Texas Jul 22 '25
Should add more background into how Acosta previously helped Epstein get a plea deal in 2008 while Florida attorney general which resulted in a ridiculously light sentence
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u/MissionCreeper Jul 22 '25
Seconded, that's the important start of this, after "Epstein traffics minors for X number of years"
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u/Probable_Bison Jul 22 '25
Let's also remember that Ken Starr and Alan Dershowitz were lawyers for Trump and Epstein.
So when Epstein got a sweetheart plea deal, people from both sides of the table in that travesty found work with Trump.
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u/gnarlseason Jul 22 '25
Exactly - show his original arrest in Florida in 2008 where Acosta gave him a plea deal that gave him immunity (and is what Maxwell is currently appealing, claiming she should be a part of that immunity deal!).
Show that one of the victims (now dead) said she met Epstein for the first time at Mar a Lago.
Reiterate that Epstein was arrested again under Trump's watch and died under Trump's watch. Not Biden's.
Show that Trump claims to have had a falling out with his long-term friend of 20 years *just* before Epstein's initial arrest. How convenient. Yet just years before that he gave that interview where he called Epstein his "friend" and said that he "likes them young". Just a year before that he sent the "bawdy" letter. Trump has deep ties to this guy and somehow MAGA turned it into a conspiracy against *Democrats*.
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u/Helpful_guy Jul 22 '25
Another user added 6 sources of Trump saying he'd release the files during his campaign, and I inserted them into your list and removed the URL tracking metadata from all entries
Partial Timeline of How We Got Here:
February 16, 2017: Alex Acosta nominated Secretary of Labor.
July 2, 2019: Jeffrey Epstein indicted.
July 12, 2019: Alex Acosta resigns.
August 10, 2019: Epstein dies by suicide.
June 20, 2020: Trump fires Geoffrey Berman from SDNY who indicted Epstein
June 29, 2020: Ghislaine Maxwell indicted.
March 29, 2021: Maxwell's Superseding indictment.
November 16, 2021: Maxwell Jury selection begins.
December 29, 2021: Maxwell convicted on 5 of 6 counts.
February 28, 2023: Maxwell appeals.
June 3, 2024: Trump says he would “probably” declassify the Epstein files if re-elected.
June 2024: Trump says he would “DECLASSIFY the 9/11 Files, JFK Files, and Epstein Files.”
September 2024: Trump reiterates he would “certainly take a look” at releasing the Epstein client list.
September 17, 2024: Second Circuit rejects appeal.
October 2024: Vance echoes Trump’s pledge to release the Epstein list.
January 15, 2025: Maxwell delays SCOTUS appeal until Trump is inaugurated
January 30, 2025: Trump’s FBI Director Kash Patel says he intends to expose anyone who "worked with Jeffrey Epstein.”
February 21, 2025: Attorney General Pam Bondi confirms that the Epstein client list was “on my desk,” citing Trump’s directive to review it.
March 2025: Pam Bondi conducts emergency review of Epstein and Maxwell documents.
April 10, 2025: Maxwell files cert petition at SCOTUS
May 7, 2025: Trump's Solicitor General John Sauer delays SCOTUS response.
June 6, 2025: Trump's Solicitor General John Sauer delays SCOTUS response again
July 7, 2025: Pam Bondi claims there’s nothing there.
July 8, 2025: Trump loses it over questions about Epstein.
July 12, 2025: Trump attempts to claim Epstein is a Democratic plot.
July 14, 2025: DOJ defends Maxwell prosecution at SCOTUS
July 15, 2025: WSJ interviews Trump about Epstein Birthday Book
July 16, 2025: Pam Bondi fires Maurene Comey (Maxwell's prosecutor), on Trump’s personal authority.
July 17, 2025: Trump yells at supporters who won’t move on from Epstein.
July 18, 2025: Trumps defense lawyer Todd Blanche files to unseal Maxwells grand jury materials
July 22, 2025: Mike Johnson shuts US House until September to avoid Epstein vote
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u/meatspun Jul 22 '25
Turns out, the ones screaming loudest about Epstein were all doing it in bad faith. Hmmm I wonder why MAGA was so loud about pedophilia but now they're silent? At best they're bringing up a president from a different generation to deflect attention or blame away from the current president who has been exposed as a pedphile. Why all the silence and obstruction now that their team runs every branch of government?
I wonder
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u/Killer_Sloth Jul 22 '25
Haven't heard a peep about trans people supposedly molesting little girls in bathrooms in a while, hmm.
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u/gameryamen Jul 22 '25
Don't forget that over a thousand kids went "missing" during Trump's first term, after being abducted and separated from their families at the border. Our government even apologized for "losing track" of them, and concluded that nothing could be done to find them.
What would an organized child sex slave ring do with a thousand missing children?
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u/GoAskAlice Texas Jul 22 '25
That is something I try not to think about too much, because there is nothing I can do about it and it fucks up my entire day. JFC
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u/Tballz9 Jul 22 '25
Pro pedo coward. Jesus wouldn't forgive this, shitbag.
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u/Cool-Presentation538 Jul 22 '25
American main stream Christianity is dead. Republicans worship trump now
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u/kelpyb1 Jul 22 '25
Yes yes, mainstream Christianity has never had a history of supporting or protecting pedophiles
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u/Practical-Bit9905 Jul 22 '25
He is a cowardly little weasel, isn't he?
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u/thinkards America Jul 22 '25
A pedo sympathizer, if you will.
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u/your-mom-- Jul 22 '25
I mean, he looks at what his son is jerking off to...
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u/More_Farm_7442 Jul 22 '25
I was wondering if he was calling his son for him to pray for him, and ask for moral support to not give in to the Democrats' push for a vote on the files.
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u/Doctor_Disaster Georgia Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
This is evidence (at least to me) they are going to destroy every shred of evidence in those files linking Trump to Epstein's child sex-trafficking operation and pedophilia parties.
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u/NearlyAtTheEnd Jul 22 '25
Definitely. Buying time to fix the narrative and destroy whatever evidence.
Hopefully there's some backup of everything somewhere.
I've been continuously dreaming and hoping that the Biden administration secretly copied everything. Be it physical papers, servers or otherwise of everything. Everything means literally everything.
They have had to know they are fascists and would shred everything, you know. From government bodies/entities to evidence. If I was in charge, I would definitely spend my 4 years recording and saving everything.
If the system gets back to normal and things need to be reinstated, paperwork, servers and such would save billions.
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u/pocketbutter Jul 22 '25
It would definitely be cool if someone in the Biden admin copied stuff, but as we learned from Trump during that time, keeping top-secret documents after leaving office can get you in a lot of trouble. Let’s hope a whistleblower can manage to stay anonymous.
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u/Zeliose Jul 22 '25
Worst part is, if he does destroy the evidence there would be no consequences. He could have it ruled an official act and would be immune from prosecution.
He wouldn't be charged for destruction of evidence and there would be no evidence to charge him with any other crime.
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u/Doctor_Disaster Georgia Jul 22 '25
18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy
Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
As if this means anything to the Trump regime...
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u/DramaticToADegree Jul 22 '25
He has already done all of this and the corrupt SCOTUS says he can do anything he wants like a king. What I dont understand is why opposition continues to play by the rules. They've had it projected onto them for decades about how theyre corrupt, deep state, etc. Fuckin act like it and get this guy gone then.
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u/TheVog Foreign Jul 22 '25
They already have. This is them buying time while they track down what's been copied or stashed away.
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u/ClaytonRook Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
One of the greatest political scandals in all of United States history: “Yaaaaaawn time for a summer break”. “Oh and don’t forget to pay your taxes so we can get our $175,000 a year salary and free health care to protect child molestors”.
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u/WhiskeredAristocat Jul 22 '25
Mike Johnson must also be on the Epstein list. Innocent people have nothing to hide.
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u/ImLikeReallySmart Pennsylvania Jul 22 '25
At this point the list has gotta be like 10 years old, right? How many of this current batch of swamp creatures could possibly be on there? No, they're protecting others.
The public already knows Trump hung out with Epstein, so I'm guessing the truth is he was equal partners with him (or worse) and had the guy take the fall. That's one of the only things I can think of that would lead them to react like this.
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u/WhiskeredAristocat Jul 22 '25
They've brought out Hunter, MLK, Hillarys emails, and Obama. They're scared.
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u/DrRockBoognish Jul 22 '25
Ahh… the golden era reruns. It’s all they have left.
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u/DudeWhereIsMyDuduk Jul 22 '25
Too bad Rush is in the ground or we'd be hearing about the Clinton murder list again.
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u/terrierhead Jul 22 '25
Congratulations to Rush Limbaugh for more than four years of sobriety!
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u/shinymuskrat Jul 22 '25
And for his very progressive choice of having his gravesite serve as a gender neutral bathroom, truly commendable.
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u/actifed Jul 22 '25
It sort of makes me happy that for a good 10 seconds I couldn't figure out what the Canadian prog rock band had to do with Clinton. Fuck Rush (not the band).
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u/williewoodwhale Jul 22 '25
And now featuring...the Washington Football Team's name change! Top priority on every American mind! I hate this timeline.
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u/wade_wilson44 Jul 22 '25
Someone pointed out that trump: 1. Ran a modeling agency importing girls from other countries 2. Purchased miss teen USA beauty pageant, also giving him access to underage girls
Neither of those things is necessarily proof, but damn if those aren’t highly related to what Epstein was doing…
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u/ThunderGunned Jul 22 '25
I understand he purchased the pageant the same year Epstein purchased the island.
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u/AnnikaSkyeWalker Jul 22 '25
Also, worth pointing out the "other countries" a lot of the girls came from were Russia and other ex-Warsaw Pact countries.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is how Trump began cozying up with the Russian mob in the first place. The mob supplied the girls, Trump's "modeling agency" got them into the US, and Epstein hooked them up with their clients. At least, that's my theory, anyways.
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u/YeetedApple Jul 22 '25
so I'm guessing the truth is he was equal partners with him (or worse)
Maybe something like owning miss teen universe while hanging out with Epstein, with it being common knowledge now that Epstein recruited girls trying to get into modeling. Surely that is just some crazy coincidence...
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u/AceDecade Jul 22 '25
The list is so old republicans are starting to lose interest
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u/PotatoHighlander Jul 22 '25
Some of these newer freaks, I suspect are protecting donors and colleagues, however a lot of them simply do not have the cash to be have been playing in Epstein's pool.
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u/iRunLotsNA Canada Jul 22 '25
Mike Johnson could have plenty to hide, even if he isn't on the list.
Releasing the Epstein files would almost certainly show Trump is a child rapist, which likely would topple the Trump administration ala Nixon. Without Trump at the head of the MAGA cult, the entire house of cards would implode. (If you think Couchfucker Vance can hold it together, I have a bridge to sell you.) The implosion of MAGA would likely result in landslide losses for R's in the House and Senate and the Presidency in 2028.
So yes, Johnson has a lot to hide because he and Republicans have everything to lose with their release.
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u/Wildpony03 Jul 22 '25
MJ pretty much knows he is going to lose his speakership over this. Shutting down the house to avoid a vote is pretty much a sign that Trump is in the files. Democrats can then ride this to the bank.
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u/blorpdedorpworp Jul 22 '25
If he were just in the files theyd just redact.
He must be throughout the files. They must be the trump files.
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u/goldberg1303 Jul 22 '25
This is something I don't see enough. The fact that they apparently can't scrub their orange cult leader out of the files truly tells you how deep he was involved.
And it makes sense. They we extremely close friends.
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u/Efficient_Resist_287 Jul 22 '25
Somehow Dems will miss the boat on that and focus on AOC and Mamdani instead…
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u/fishsticks40 Jul 22 '25
It would also show that they've been knowingly protecting a child rapist for YEARS.
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u/condensationxpert Jul 22 '25
Imagine having to protect a child rapist to keep your job… Someone should have a good look in the mirror.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington Jul 22 '25
Or he's just protecting his Dear Leader.
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u/Jeoshua Jul 22 '25
You mean the guy who is the Porn Accountability Buddy to his own kid, and vice-versa, might have some fucked up views on children and sex, and might have a dark past? Say it ain't so!
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u/AnonAmbientLight Jul 22 '25
They’re probably not all child fuckers, but they’re child fucker adjacent to a degree I would imagine.
That’s largely the worry with Republicans I think.
The scrutiny and the sheer disgusting subservience that it would uncover would destroy the Republican Party.
And that type of shit is right up the conservative alley. “You can’t go after X family member for abuse because it would destroy the family” type shit. That’s ultimately what they’re doing here.
The GOP are spineless cowards who only care about political power.
Doesn’t matter who they have to hurt, kill, or torture, as long as it gives them power they’ll do it.
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u/Yellowpommelo Jul 22 '25
If someone could shut down my office for two months in the middle of the summer to avoid discussing something critical relevancy and I’d still get paid full salary and healthcare that would be fantastic. Anyone?
Please?
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u/theycallmecliff Jul 22 '25
It's even better, they're shutting down their office to avoid discussing something that "definitely isn't critically relevant and everyone should just forget about it, really."
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u/kosumoth Jul 22 '25
That's what I'm saying. He just gave them all a 2 month vacation. Yet regular people are given like 10 days a year. Such fucking bullshit.
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u/SevanEleven Jul 22 '25
Not a fan of Johnson but he really just cancelled 1 day of votes. The House was going into August recess anyways, which it does every year. The August recess is the "break" from DC that members typically use to go back to their district, do meet and greets, hold town halls, meet with local leaders, hold fundraisers/campaign events, tour new facilities, visit with students, and if they want to, take a vacation. While not all members use this time wisely, if they didn't have the recess then they wouldn't have time to actually meet with their constituents because they'd be stuck in DC all the time.
https://www.rockthevote.org/explainers/congressional-recess/
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u/BanginNLeavin Jul 22 '25
No way that shakes out. We might have another few years of this admin but Trump isn't gonna make it, statistically.
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u/__gt__ Jul 22 '25
God I wish I was as optimistic as you. I feel like he'll get away with it... AGAIN
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u/PredatorRedditer America Jul 22 '25
What optimism? Does it really matter if it's Trump or Vance, or any other GOP dip shit? Project 2025 is well underway with the BBB and the current SCOTUS'. Doesn't matter if Trump resigns tomorrow. The Christian Nationalists already have all three branches.
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u/Middle-Theory-8462 Jul 22 '25
Bingo. Trump being removed from office and being replaced by 3.5 years of Vance, then 8 more years of Vance with rigged elections, is the IDEAL game plan, almost a certainty at this point, and the final nail in America's coffin.
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u/hcrld Jul 22 '25
They'll try to drag his bloated corpse across the two-year line so Vance can get two terms. If Trump dies before the halfway mark Vance only gets one.
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u/BrotherlyShove791 Jul 22 '25
At this point, between the Epstein revolt and his congestive heart failure (because that’s what it really is), I’m starting to think Vance will be President within 6-12 months.
But nobody in history has gotten away with the amount of shit that Trump has gotten away with, so he might just ride out this stuff too.
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u/Thandoscovia Jul 22 '25
The good news is that Johnson and the GOP leadership know that the don’t have the votes to keep this quiet
They’re panicking - it’s almost as if they’ve got something to hide. What confuses me the most is how this could be this much of a surprise to Trump. He’s been crying about the Epstein files for so long - is he really confused about their contents now?
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u/BrotherlyShove791 Jul 22 '25
I hate to root for MTG, but come on lady, it’s time to oust the speaker again!
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u/simonhunterhawk Jul 22 '25
Her constituents (or anybody who can) should be bombarding her with letters and voicemails encouraging her to do just that.
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u/Hikaru1024 Jul 22 '25
Narcissists do not plan ahead, or at least effectively they do not.
Because he was in control then he thought he'd always be in control. All he has to do is lie, and keep lying, right?
Once they lose control of the narrative they panic.
With nothing to fall back upon, we'll see them flail and flail and flail, trying desperately to pull the wool back over their followers eyes. A new desperate made up story to make him look good and everyone else bad every minute.
There are two possible outcomes: 1. They fall in line, and they collectively pretend this never happened and was nothing of importance. 2. This loose string keeps getting pulled and the whole ball of lies unwinds irrevocably.
I've been in a similar situation, it could go either way.
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u/Vermonster87 Jul 22 '25
He does seem rather confused by everything, all the time these days... So with how much the dementia is setting in he very well could be confused by the contents at this point.
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u/Peachy33 Pennsylvania Jul 22 '25
Let’s not forget that the Republicans are doing this to cover up the fact that Trump raped children.
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u/MortgageRegular2509 Wisconsin Jul 22 '25
Yup. Just like they claimed it was for years. Projection, and whatnot
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u/PackOfWildCorndogs Jul 22 '25
This is the concerning part for me…Why they are acting as if they’re not worried about future electability. Ugh
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u/bluelily216 Jul 22 '25
Yep. Everything they've done lately (particularly some choice quotes at town halls) says, "We don't have to worry about whether or not you'll vote for us."
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u/checkpoint_hero Jul 22 '25
I think they're hoping with 5+ weeks the topic drops out of the main news cycle and they can get everyone aligned in the GOP.
The USA isn't good at a sustained dual-party level of outrage about a single topic.
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u/No-Tomatillo-7566 Jul 22 '25
Covering for a child rapist is a thing. Not a very Christian thing or a family values thing or an accountability thing or any kind of moral thing, but it's a fascist GOP thing.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington Jul 22 '25
Coward. Release the files now, you pedo-protecting piece of shit.
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u/wwaxwork Jul 22 '25
Ok guys big request here, do you think we can all remember something until September. I know we all have the attention spans of fleas but maybe we can write it on a post it note or set a reminder on our phones.
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u/BrotherlyShove791 Jul 22 '25
Trump must be cooking up something really awful to make everyone forget about this scandal. It’ll take paradigm-shifting news to get rid of it at this point.
Maybe this is how we finally discover that aliens are real. More likely, he calls up his Saudi buddies and asks for 9/11 Part Two: Clampdown Boogaloo.
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u/Agreeable_Crow789 Jul 22 '25
So let them get to Maxwell first and then see how things are
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u/ErgoMachina Foreign Jul 22 '25
Maxwell is going to either have a window incident or get a pardon after naming all democrats and saying Trump is innocent.
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u/Atlusfox Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
When its something they want all of a sudden Republicans are having 2AM votes, if its not something they don't want, no one is allowed to do their job. WTF.
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u/SubwayHero4Ever Jul 22 '25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert Dennis Hastert - Wikipedia
The party with a former House Speaker who was a pedophile is protecting a president who is also a pedophile. No one should be shocked by this.
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u/ErandurVane Virginia Jul 22 '25
I'm sorry are we skipping a week of July and the entire month of August just because they're hoping the Epstein stuff dies down??
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u/Ssshizzzzziit Jul 22 '25
NYT: “We’re done being lectured on transparency,” Mr. Johnson said at a news conference, where the typically unflappable speaker appeared frustrated.
He complained about “endless efforts to politicize the Epstein investigation” and added: “We’re not going to play political games with this,” as he wrapped up his final news conference before September.
Yes. You are playing political games. If there is nothing to hide, release the information and let the chips fall where they may. Either Trump is completely innocent and never mentioned, or Guilty as hell and all over this thing. I'm sure Bill Clinton is all over it too. They can both go down.
“We’re done being lectured on transparency,”
Fucking clown show. Don't want to be lectured on it? Then practice transparency.
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u/Lesbian_Skeletons Jul 22 '25
Clearly Mike Johnson loves protecting his fellow pedophiles as much as he loves sharing porn with his son
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u/AlanShore60607 Jul 22 '25
In a brilliant political move to prevent a vote on the Epstein files, Speaker Johnson closes the house until September and sends members back to their districts to face backlash over what they’ve already done.
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u/Emotional-Seesaw-533 Jul 22 '25
Trump's allies and Epstein partied in NY right after he got out of jail.
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u/drawkward101 Jul 22 '25
Cowards who are pedophiles protecting fellow pedophiles.
Trump fucked children and stole the election.
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u/War_Fries Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
LMAO.
The US is not a democracy anymore. This right-wing christian extremist did more harm to the US than all of the 9/11 bombers combined.
And yet, half of America votes for it. Because it's their kind of extremism. So it's ok.
What a fucked up country.
Mike Johnson should just ass-dildo himself and then rot in hell. Where he belongs. That man is pure, pure evil.
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