r/politics • u/aresef Maryland • Jul 23 '25
Paywall Justice Department Told Trump in May That His Name Is Among Many in the Epstein Files
https://www.wsj.com/politics/justice-department-told-trump-name-in-epstein-files-727a803811.0k
u/Icommandyou Washington Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
When Justice Department officials reviewed what Attorney General Pam Bondi called a “truckload” of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein earlier this year, they discovered that Donald Trump’s name appeared multiple times, according to senior administration officials.
This is why this admin will never release those files
Edit: NYTimes Gift Article. NYT reaffirms the WSJ reporting
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u/ballzhangingdown Jul 23 '25
And the admin are kid fuckers or know the kid fuckers. The club that you ain’t in, fucks kids.
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u/ProfitLoud Jul 23 '25
At the least, they are okay with raping children. More likely, many also participate. Remember that whole pizzagate child raping ring? Purely projection.
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u/ballzhangingdown Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Their entire fucking ideology is projecting from something sexually repressed and sometimes nefarious. Most conservatives I grew up with, I wouldn’t be shocked if they had some kind of fuck kids thing going on. It’s exactly why they have these weird rape fantasies about pedophiles in prison. They want to rape children and watch rape. It’s sad that they take it all out on immigrants when their real problem is themselves and their inability to find resolve. Pussy ass bastards.
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u/DenikaMae California Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Let's not forget pornsites have released regional data showing that regions and states with dense Republican party voter turnouts watch the most porn featuring transgender people, and the last few times the GOP did huge conventions, the attendants were so thirsty they crashed grindr.
The things that conservatives label as culturally taboo/sexual perversion are highly coveted and sought after by people within the Republican Party.
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u/hihelloneighboroonie Jul 24 '25
Oh god, back in the day instagram showed you what posts other people had liked. Teen cousin was dating a trans boy. Her dad (I don't call him uncle, it's by marriage) was religious and a wannabe pastor. He was against them dating.
And then ig showed me all the trans porn he was liking.
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u/john_andrew_smith101 Arizona Jul 23 '25
Relevant Onion video: Tampa Bay Gay Prostitutes Gearing Up For Flood Of Closeted Republicans
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u/gpouliot Jul 23 '25
The word multiple is probably doing a herculean effort of greatly downplaying the number of times that he's mentioned.
Person #1 - Trump is mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times in the documents. How do we tell him without getting fired?
Person #2 - We'll tell him that he's in it multiple times like many others. We definitely won't qualify the word multiple or point out how much more often he's in it compared to everyone else.
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u/KIMJONGUNderfed Jul 23 '25
The number is allegedly large enough to warrant a spreadsheet. We know the FBI has one with the mentions.
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u/StrangeContest4 Jul 23 '25
Isn't the FBI Director, Kash$Ap Patel, a Q-amoron devotee? He could really blow the roof off this thing if he wants the attention and also gain some redemption. Heck, I would even take back all the bad things I've said about him if he did!
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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler Jul 24 '25
They all have dirt on each other. It's mutually assured destruction all the way around. They could just as easily bring Patel up on charges related to his Russian shenanigans and sketchy financials/taxes.
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u/Significant-Pass6108 Jul 23 '25
Look at all these evidence coming out. What the fuck was Merrick Galand doing?
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u/CurlOfTheBurl11 Jul 23 '25
Serving his Heritage Foundation overlords as he was instructed.
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u/MiamiPI Jul 23 '25
Merrick Garland is one of the biggest traitors in American history.
Right behind Benedict Arnold and Donald Trump.
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u/Mavian23 Jul 23 '25
You can gift every paywalled article by telling people about archive.ph. Copy/paste any paywalled URL into the bottom search bar at archive.ph, boom, no more paywalls.
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u/BaconCheeseZombie United Kingdom Jul 23 '25
Worth noting for everyone archiving this a million times - use the box labelled "I want to search the archive for saved snapshots" to search for the page before archiving it - there's no sense having a million archives all minutes apart unless it's a rapidly developing story e.g. war reporting
This article can now be found at [URL]/9FOem and many others.
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u/ltlvlge12 Jul 23 '25
I have never seen comments like that on a wsj article. They are all entirely negative towards trump.
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u/sixwax Jul 23 '25
The MAGA nutjobs that are perpetually online are married to the Epstein conspiracy…
…and WSJ’s traditional audience skews more Conservative than MAGA.
He’s starting to look like a crooked liar to both camps.
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Jul 23 '25
One of the stupidest parts of all of this is that anyone with half a brain could have told you he was this kind of person ~10 years ago when he was first running.
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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle New York Jul 23 '25
It really is funny how essentially an open secret about Trump is being confirmed and there’s actually people shocked by it. Like if you were paying attention this is not news
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u/FMCam20 Georgia Jul 23 '25
I've come to realize they legit live in a different world than we do. Some of his supporters are learning about the trump and epstein connection for the first time in all of this. They though the list was going to just a bunch of Dems and RINOs they didn't like
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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island Jul 23 '25
Goes to show you how debilitatingly insular their propaganda networks are.
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u/One-Incident3208 Jul 23 '25
If we get through this this shit needs to be abolished. And all social media should be publicly owned. And run in the interest of the public good.
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u/Valuable_Sea_4709 Jul 23 '25
I'm pretty sure that's a solvable problem.
So long as you somehow get money out of politics.
Otherwise, everyone who supports something like that will get continually challenged by a series of META plants with very deep pockets.
So no US politician will do anything about it. Especially when they 'could' just take the industry's money themselves.
And why would a US Politician get money out of politics? Why tear down the system they just used to get where they are? They're already spending tens of billions each election cycle, to the point entire industries have sprung up around them.
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u/ral315 Jul 23 '25
Any attempt to get money out of politics will require significant changes at the Supreme Court. Money in politics has been a problem for a while, but it didn't really ramp up until after Citizens United was decided.
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u/Emotional_Burden Jul 23 '25
Corporations are not people and do not belong in politics. Take us back to before citizens untied.
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u/andrea_lives Jul 23 '25
Citizen's United needs to go down in history as one of the most vile decisions any court has ever made. I don't understand how they more or less made bribery legal with basically no push-back whatsoever
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u/kia75 Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
That's just how deep they are in the right wing rabbit hole. They think CNN, Washington Post, etc are "fake news", and Fox News, oan, etc didn't report on Trump's misdeeds. Heck, the only reason they're hearing about it right now is that Trump made the mistake of feuding with Musk, who controls Twitter, and turning against Putin, who finances a lot of right wing pundits. If musk and Putin weren't allowing this information to enter into the rabbit hole, most Trump supporters would remain ignorant.
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u/BarkerBarkhan Jul 23 '25
I do wonder what sparked the feud with the Murdoch empire. I know Murdoch claims he has nothing to do with the editorial decisions of his businesses, but... why now? Why is the WSJ hitting this story hard now? Are capitalists recognizing that the regime is bad for business?
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u/ExtraPockets Jul 23 '25
Trump has served his purpose, the damage has been done. Keeping that senile agent of chaos piece of shit around any longer is more trouble than it's worth. The billionaires already have what they wanted.
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u/GaimeGuy Minnesota Jul 23 '25
Dude they still blame the Clintons for Epstein's death. It happened under Trump.
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u/FMCam20 Georgia Jul 23 '25
I never accused them of being smart. The clip of the maga voter saying "Where was Obama on 9/11" comes to mind
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u/Proud3GenAthst Jul 23 '25
I first saw the video in 2018 or so. Fit years, I mostly dismissed it as staged. But now, I'm entirely convinced that some Trump supporters genuinely think like that.
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u/Shaunair Jul 23 '25
Same people that blame Covid and lockdowns on Biden. No fixing stupid.
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u/DiscombobulatedWavy Texas Jul 23 '25
I’m sure the list does have a bunch of Dems and RINOs, but they all need to go down.
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u/mrbigglessworth Jul 23 '25
I love it when MAGA says "what if Clinton is on the list, haha, got you!" And I am like if he is, then prosecute.
They absolutely WILL NOT say the same for their child fucker.
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u/Random_B00 Jul 23 '25
That’s worrying - they’re not even denying it, just trying to justify their continued support
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u/snoo_spoo Jul 23 '25
Well, if they've been getting all their news from RW media for years, it may actually be news to them. If they've even been told that Trump was on Epstein's plane, it was likely presented as being a political smear rather than fact.
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u/TurboSalsa Texas Jul 23 '25
Most of what we're hearing now was reported on in 2019, more than a year before Trump left office.
The people who jumped in to Epstein conspiracy theories with both feet have completely ignored who was in office when he died in prison, and what they might have to gain from his death, and instead concocted a conspiracy which goes all the way from the jailer who should've been watching him, to the DOJ, to a supra-national group of elites who actually control world governments but which doesn't include the President or the AG at the time.
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u/Kneph Jul 23 '25
There has been plenty of evidence and reports that he was a rapist and a pedophile for decades. His first case was with Ivana in 1989.
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u/triplab Jul 23 '25
from the jailer who should've been watching him, to the DOJ
You mean Bill Barr’s DoJ. The same Bill Barr whose daddy gave Epstein a job as a professor with zero experience? He’s been rather quiet lately eh?
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u/AlphaGoldblum Jul 23 '25
The other open secret is that the right wanted the Epstein list to have the names of only their enemies.
So they ignored Trump's connection to it all and kept praying and hoping that the list would be, I don't know, Bill, Hilary, Obama, and Soros' names written 100 times over and over again.
So now they're all stuck in a corner
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u/PurelyForTheHomepage Jul 23 '25
What’s insane to me is it’s not even an open secret it’s just open. It’s been out there for YEARS!
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u/Fearlessleader85 Jul 23 '25
Yeah, i really don't see how this is sticking NOW. Why this thing this time. As far as I've seen, there is zero information coming out that we didn't know a decade ago. Trump has openly talked about his friendship with Epstein, the pictures with him are plentiful and have been really available for a decade, and Trump has openly bragged about sexually assaulting women and been found liable for rape.
Nothing is new. Nothing. These people have been fine with it and suddenly they're all shocked pikachu that Trump might be somehow implicated in things he's been obviously implicated in for a decade. Why now?
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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle New York Jul 23 '25
I think the thing that is making this stick is just the Trump Administration straight up doing a 180 on their campaign promise of releasing the Epstein files. Like that was such a shock to conservatives’ systems for whatever reason. It’s not like he hasn’t lied and misled people in the past
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u/ProfessionalFly9848 Jul 23 '25
And not even from the campaign but like a month ago. And they’ve tied every single ounce of their world view, propaganda machine and fundraising arm to this conspiracy.
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u/thesecretbarn Jul 23 '25
They literally didn’t know. MAGA people are in a completely different world. Epstein has been publicized for years in that world as a key to the “elites” “pizzagate dems” “Q” “the Jews” etc. That Trump and the GOP are so obviously hiding something is blowing their minds.
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u/BudgetMattDamon Jul 23 '25
Vance just visited Murdoch (presumably to get his blessing to become president) and the BBB passed. They don't need Trump anymore, and the Epstein scandal was all the media needed to dump Trump to install Vance.
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u/wahoozerman Jul 23 '25
I remember in the 2024 election when the access Hollywood tapes were rediscovered and people's minds were blown all over social media. So many people just live in their own bubbles, ignorant of the world outside.
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u/md4024 Jul 23 '25
That’s the part that I’m struggling with. With the exception of some of the recent reporting by the WSJ, which has really only added some minor details, everything people have been talking about recently has been known for 10 years. At any point in any of Trump’s campaign, the media could have turned his close, very well documented relationship with America’s most notorious pedophile into a thing. They could have given it the “Biden’s age/Hillary’s emails” treatment and made it something that Republicans couldn’t avoid talking or hearing about. But they didn’t. We made Jeffrey Epstein’s closest friend and confidant president, twice, and now it’s suddenly a big deal. In a weird way, I kind of understand Trump’s frustration over all this, because none of this has been a secret, but until now no one ever cared.
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u/Every-Comfortable632 Jul 23 '25
Yes. In fact I heard about this pre- election 2016! Nobody seemed to give a shit and here we are now. I don't know why it took 10 years but Im glad its finally out
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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island Jul 23 '25
Jesus Christ its been 10 fucking years of this shit already...
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u/InvalidKoalas Jul 23 '25
I think the past 10 years of Republican fuckery has cost me 10 years off the end of my life
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u/Plaid_Piper Jul 23 '25
I'd be curious to know just how many years these fuckwits have shaved from american lives collectively. I'm sure it's astronomical.
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u/Accomplished-Fix6598 California Jul 23 '25
How many years have they shaved off America itself?
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u/IPredictAReddit Jul 23 '25
He innoculates himself by projecting: his answer to being the Epstein files is to accuse his opponents of being in the Epstein files. Then, worst case, the public thinks everyone is in the Epstein files (and his base thinks he's not but everyone else is)
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u/brendamn Jul 23 '25
He benefits from the same dumb logic they are using now
- if it's real, then Biden, Hilary, Kamala would have used it
Same as
- if he was going to do it, done it , he wouldn't admit it so openly
Same as
- he's rich so he doesn't need more money he's doing it for us
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America Jul 23 '25
Anyone who voted for trump was either too stupid to see what millions of us saw, that he was a pedophile, or they saw it and decided it wasn't a deal breaker. It's that simple. One or the other. If you voted for trump you're either a fucking moron, or you're a piece of shit.
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u/Thebadparker Jul 23 '25
He BRAGGED that he could grab women by their ******* and he BRAGGED about looking at naked underage contestants in the teen pageant, and he's been civilly convicted of sexual assault. For the life of me, I can't figure out why MAGA (sort of) cares now about the Epstein files. Are they just looking for a last straw as an excuse to stop supporting him? It makes no sense given everything else that has come out of his own mouth.
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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Jul 23 '25
It should have ended with the culmination of the grab ‘em by the pussy, miss teen america creep stuff.
Just complete insanity
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u/Usawasfun Jul 23 '25
Trump really thought he could run on Epstien but wouldn't have to release anything lol.
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u/devereaux Wisconsin Jul 23 '25
I dunno, it's more like the guy didn't think at all
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u/FMCam20 Georgia Jul 23 '25
He thought he could control the monster he created since he did create it after all. He assumed him saying it was over would make it so just like in so many other situations
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u/WakingWaldo Jul 23 '25
His own ego is his downfall. When you think about it, it's comically stupid. (If it wasn't pure evil)
He told the most conspiratorial and irrationally angry Americans that their "enemies" were responsible for a massive child sex trafficking ring and only he could be the person to stop it while knowing he himself was all over the documents.
Like, of course these people wanted results. If there's one thing that like, pretty much everyone, thinks is beyond the pale, it's pedophilia. Add to that the satisfaction of locking up the leagues of "Pedo-crat Elites" and the flames were well beyond fueled.
But because of their track record of forgetting about everything always, Trump thought he could play the base as usual. The whiplash that MAGA voters must have after the last 2 weeks must be insane. Their entire view of the Epstein files was just turned on its head. Going from "this guy is going to stop the bad men" to "oh holy fuck, he's one of them, isn't he."
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u/BillW87 New Jersey Jul 23 '25
His own ego is his downfall.
I dunno...I'm still in the super jaded state of mind that I won't believe his "downfall" until I see it. The motherfucker has been outrunning consequences for 8 decades now, and has stacked the entire system behind him. Who will actually stop him? Congress won't, since he's grabbed the reins of how fundraising money flows through the GOP. The courts won't, since he's stacked that with zealots and sycophants who don't want to rock the boat while they're busy rolling out their Handmaid's Tale fundamentalist Christian agenda. He's already gotten what he needed from his voters by landing a second term. If he stays in power after that, it's because he's subverted the electoral system too and the voting majority's opinion no longer matters.
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Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
It makes sense when you realize he doesn’t know his base, he just uses them to gain power. He’s the furthest person from them: rich elite from the coast who hasn’t worked a day in his life. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t destroying the country. He thought he could just blame democrats for everything (although I’m still not convinced he’s wrong). I can’t help but think they will take whatever bullshit the DOJ releases or whatever they bribe Maxwell to say. That might be enough for them to move on but it is refreshing to see some semblance of sanity from maga
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u/paultheschmoop Jul 23 '25
I mean he almost certainly will face no consequences from this from his base so…..
…..I guess he was right?
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u/JackStephanovich Jul 23 '25
OMG haven't you heard about the numerous times he's been SLAMMED the last few weeks?
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u/sugartrouts Jul 23 '25
You didn't hear about his many TOTAL MELTDOWNS as he completely SPIRALS out of control? This is clearly the end for Trump, if headlines are to be believed.
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u/TurboSalsa Texas Jul 23 '25
They even made binders with "Phase 1" on them, implying there would be a Phase 2 in which more information was released.
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u/DisMFer Jul 23 '25
Here's the connection that most people don't seem to make. It's not just that Trump was a client. He was likely a key part of the trafficking opperation.
Most of Epstein victims were girls whobwere told they would be models or singers and then would get trapped into the trafficking. They would recruit girls at modeling and beauty pagents.
Trump owned and operated an underage beauty pagent. He likely was a key scout for finding targets and letting them use his pagents as cover to run their grooming operations.
This isn't about Trump being a client. This is about him being an accomplice.
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u/Opposite-Green7417 Jul 23 '25
Epstein’s on the Trump list
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u/Frgster Jul 23 '25
There was comment in the last couple of days that pointed out Trump's involvement in trafficking these girls. And from what was posted, Trump was involved in abuse and trafficking way before Epstein showed up. So yeah, Epstein is on Trump's list.
The comment was deleted and the poster said he was being banned, but I'll risk it so others are informed. Most items are links to old news articles and interviews: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49344563
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u/jizzlevania Jul 23 '25
some people are also saying that Trump may have also used his modeling agency as a funnel to Epstein.
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u/DisMFer Jul 23 '25
Yeah it seems very likely Trump was the scout for the entire operation. His job was to get the girls and put them in the room with the groomer who then passed them off to Epstein.
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u/LuckySpade13 Jul 23 '25
Rupert has given the greenlight to fry him publicly
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u/Terrible_turtle_ Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Yup. And he and Vance had a quiet little meeting at Rupert's Wyoming ranch right before the first WSJ article. Sure some options were discussed.
eta It was Montana, not Wyoming. All those big western states blend...
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u/DisMFer Jul 23 '25
Murdock has always looked down on MAGA and Trump. He sees them as low class. Most rich people hate Trump. It's been a massive stone in his craw for decades. He's seen as a classless moron who couldn't come close to his daddy's skill in business. And he knows it.
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u/itsallpoliticsalex Jul 23 '25
I honestly think that Murdoch sees this as his last great act. The dismantling of the Orange one. And I’m here for it.
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u/paultheschmoop Jul 23 '25
Might just be flexing.
“I gave you the presidency and now I can take it away”
He got his tax cut so idk why he would care at this point. Vance can do Murdoch’s bidding while being less of a wild card going forward.
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u/Masmug Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Maybe because Trumps entire thing now is tariffs with from what I can tells only purpose is so he can strong arm other countries into giving him personal bribes and kickbacks. And his only other thing is immigration which is removing an entire workforce that can be exploited for pennies on the dollar. He no longer answers to anyone. Sure you can insider trade on the tariffs but now the market doesn't react to them anymore really because no one believes Trump so essentially he's driving up inflation and making importing and exporting more expensive while also removing a labor force that is easy to exploit to the benefit of no one but himself really. He's killing these billionaires margins and I think they are tired of it and Vance is just a way better option. Trumps fucking with the money way to much and a tax break isn't going to make up for the loss of profits his policies will inevitably lead to.
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u/itsallpoliticsalex Jul 23 '25
If you’ve been one of the most powerful people in the world for most of your 90 years on it… maybe you just want one more go at the game?
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u/EitherBarry Jul 23 '25
Just burn it down on the way out, like Logan Roy. Life imitates art imitates life.
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u/loglighterequipment California Jul 23 '25
Yep . They got their tax break. Now they sink Trump and install Vance. And then our real problems start. Vance is to the US what Putin was to Russia. Putin rose from obscurity guided by the oligarchs to replace a drunken embarrassing fool.
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u/superswagwhiteboy Jul 23 '25
The President of the United States is a pedophile.
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u/MoonBatsRule America Jul 23 '25
Don't forget Trump's involvement with the beauty pageants. He owned Miss Teen USA from 1996 until 2015, by which time it was at least 10 years past the point where people said "hey, this is gross, it sexualizes teen girls".
Trump also founded and owned a Trump Modeling Management from 1999-2017, bringing in lots of international models, many from Russia.
This whole thing smacks of an international sex trafficking ring, with Epstein, payments going through Russia, Trump, etc.
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u/1877KlownsForKids Jul 23 '25
He forced Ivanka to get facial and breast augmentation surgery in order to "improve her modeling career" during this time.
In return she made him promise not to date anyone younger than her, which he complained cut down his potential matches drastically. She was 17.
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u/MoonBatsRule America Jul 23 '25
Hmm. Cosmetic surgery on a minor? Seems like something that Republicans want to ban. Or is that only if the minor is transgendered?
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u/CrankyFranky69 Jul 23 '25
Theyre all good with it when its a father trying to make his daughter more to his taste in teenage girls
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u/RetiredHotBitch Texas Jul 23 '25
This just made the video of her uncomfortably showing off her childhood bed all the more creepy.
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u/Annual_Strategy_6206 Jul 23 '25
Like I said in another thread, he wasn't just a client, but a sex- trafficking BUSINESS PARTNER
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u/Ikontwait4u2leave Jul 23 '25
In 2015, Frank Reynolds bought Miss Teen USA and wrote a song about not diddling kids.
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u/MagicianHeavy001 Jul 23 '25
Trump had a modeling agency. Where did he get the girls from? Was JE or Maxwell involved? Follow the money.
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u/Hot_Place9176 Jul 23 '25
literally yes. he even met Melania thru her agent who worked with epstein, maxwell, and wexner. it's a community
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u/OPdoesnotrespond Jul 23 '25
This.
He rapes kids is bad.
He facilitates a network so that others rape kids and he benefits either financially, socially, or politically is about a hojillion times worse.
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u/Kaorimoch Jul 23 '25
And he was only thrown out of Mar a Lago when he tried to recruit the wrong girl there.
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u/loulan Jul 23 '25
And he still has a 40% approval rating.
Americans are hopeless.
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u/red4jjdrums5 Pennsylvania Jul 23 '25
The bigliest pedophile there is. I’ve heard some say the best one.
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u/GlasgowRose2022 Jul 23 '25
WSJ is going hard on DJT and I’m here for it.
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u/dagnabbit Jul 23 '25
The leaker is smart to go to WSJ, and not a perceived left leaning outlet. More credibility in right wing circles where it hurts him most.
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u/maryconway1 Jul 23 '25
WSJ is owned indirectly by Rupert Murdoch.
They usually kill these stories, and other media are afraid of getting sued (see ABC and CBS), and FoxNews refused to acknowledge anything even happened today.
But Rupert has clearly decided time to change for Vance. He’s letting this story go.
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u/loglighterequipment California Jul 23 '25
They want Vance, and then our real problems start.
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u/jizzlevania Jul 23 '25
I was just thinking Peter Thiel has to be so absolutely delighted that he and his pet bear have no chance of ever being accused of sex (forced or otherwise) with any age of female.
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u/RoboDonaldUpgrade Jul 23 '25
Vance doesn't have the support of the MAGA base though, his policies will not be popular and I imagine republicans will be more willing to break rank with him in charge.
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u/Hiddenagenda876 Washington Jul 23 '25
Yeah, I’ve seen a bunch of comments on the conservative sub blatantly against him
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u/Decent-Impression-81 Jul 23 '25
Like how do you keep working at the job once you see that?
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u/foamy_da_skwirrel Jul 23 '25
They are pure evil. I cannot understand at all what must go through their heads on a daily basis
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u/StoppableHulk Jul 23 '25
Right? When these agents know beyond a shadow of a doubt that their job is literally to protect the people raping children in these videos.
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u/NinjaLanternShark Jul 23 '25
The Trump admin, as usual, is acting like they're the first ones to ever face this, because none of them have any experience doing anything.
We have law enforcement units at multiple levels with sophisticated tools to analyze suspected CSAM. Sometimes you get a red light, just like at the airport, that says there's a problem without actually showing you any details. Sometimes you get a "this needs further inspection" flag, and you take it to someone with more tools.
And yes, ultimately, sometimes there's material someone needs to see. And while I wouldn't want the job, I have to believe the fact that they're actually working to catch the people doing this, and stop it, helps them do their job thoroughly.
Then -- we also have a thing called redacting, which they'd know if they had any experience doing anything at all.
So this "We can't release the evidence because it's pornographic" is absolute nonsense, and they know it. They're just counting on MAGA to be so simple minded that "oh yeah, don't release that, that's bad" makes sense to them.
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u/bakulaisdracula Jul 23 '25
Then REDACT the photos from what they release, it’s not that fucking hard unless it’s a cover up
Edit: Holy shit he’s probably in the photos too
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u/quotidian_obsidian California Jul 23 '25
There's a good chance they have him on video. Epstein had cameras in every bedroom and bathroom in every one of his houses, and they were always on. One of his accusers stumbled into the "surveillance room" once and saw a room full of CCTV cameras with feeds from all parts of the house.
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u/Presently_Absent Jul 23 '25
They notably said that all the videos were child porn but did not mention who wasn't a child in them
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u/BumbleSlob Jul 23 '25
The funny subtext here is of course his name would be in the Epstein files, we’ve all known that for a decade.
This implies his name was in the Epstein files in some other capacity that hasn’t been publicly revealed, almost like some sort of wonderful secret which never ages 🤔
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u/MissTat2 Jul 23 '25
Agreed! I was thinking that if he was some squeaky clean rich dude that suddenly was being accused of raping girls with Epstein; it would be shocking and hard to believe... But, it's a lifelong grifter, white collar felon that has already proven to be a rapist of women. I don't know how well MAGA people will be able to assimilate back into society if their only defense is, "I voted for him knowing he raped women. But, not kids!" ::eye roll::
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u/007meow Jul 23 '25
They’ll pretend like they were victimized and lied to.
And will deny that he raped women.
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u/munkeypunk Jul 23 '25
Trafficking. He’s not just a child rapist. He traffics them too, so other people can rape children for money.
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u/Not_Bears Jul 23 '25
Yup Trump was working with Epstein in some capacity aside from just "we hang out some times" and when the DOJ realized this they fucking panicked cause it's not something they could easily scrub without drawing attention to it.
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u/RonaldoNazario Jul 23 '25
Right, if the files just corroborated what’s known publicly and nothing more they’d be released.
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u/TheAskewOne Jul 23 '25
The more it goes, the more it looks like he was not "only" a client, but a trafficker and/or a business associate. We don't know where Epstein's money came from, but Trump might very well be linked to that.
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u/tepid Jul 23 '25
What got him was running on releasing the files, because he thought it made him look innocent and that his base would forget when it came time to actually do it. If he hadn't promised anything, this wouldn't be an issue now. Hoisted by his own petard.
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u/skunkachunks I voted Jul 23 '25
To be fair (and I hate the guy) he has repeatedly won by accusing others of doing the thing he was doing.
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u/ckglle3lle Jul 23 '25
Trump and Epstein were partners. Trump supplied the girls, Epstein brought in clients. They both also partook. Trump's teen beauty pageant was a front for "scouting"/grooming and about the "best" case scenario is that they only intended to traffic 18+ girls, but almost certainly they simply didn't care while both personally preferring them to be young as possible.
Epstein was probably killed because he threatened to snitch on Trump.
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u/eamus_catuli Jul 23 '25
Love the terror on their faces as MAGA learn that the call was coming from inside the house the whole time.
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u/whatproblems Jul 23 '25
just wait till we find he had a nickname of pizza parlor
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u/Tainted_Bruh Jul 23 '25
Nah, they’ll simply flip morals or go full ostrich. The pursuit of power is all these duplicitous slimeballs live for. They don’t actually give a shit about “protect the children!”
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u/Forsaken-Cattle2659 Jul 23 '25
I'm enjoying the slow, but steady route this story is taking. I'm sure he's squirming every single day in the white house knowing the dam is going to burst at any moment.
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u/snoo_spoo Jul 23 '25
This really does feel like July of 1974.
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u/Forsaken-Cattle2659 Jul 23 '25
Nixon was a massive POS, too, but at least he had the bare minimum "decency" to resign. Trump will only go out kicking and screaming.
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u/moonwalkerfilms Jul 23 '25
Trump will not go out. If Jan 6 is anything to go by, he will try anything and everything he can to remain in power this time.
All of this was meant to keep him out of prison and make money. If he sees the walls closing in, I believe he will take desperate measures.
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u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin Jul 23 '25
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Bongino has told colleagues that his association with the administration’s decision to keep the files private has eroded his credibility among the base of support that fueled his rise as a successful podcaster and media personality on the right.
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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog Jul 23 '25
If he cared about his credibility, he could resign and call Trump a liar.
But in right-wing circles, having credibility is even worse than not having it.
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u/Duane_ Jul 23 '25
Man, I don't like the guy, but I'll give him credit on this - he's the most likely person now to break off, take what he knows, and go public with it. He legitimately seems like he was just a conspiracy theorist that just wanted answers before this, for the most part.
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u/Orbitingkittenfarm Jul 23 '25
“On Tuesday, Blanche said on X that the Justice Department was seeking to arrange a meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell in the coming days to discuss any possible information about anyone who has committed crimes with Epstein.
Maxwell was found guilty in 2021 of helping Epstein’s sex trafficking and sentenced to 20 years in prison. She has been in custody since she was charged in 2020 and didn’t testify at her trial.
One of Maxwell’s lawyers, David Oscar Markus, confirmed the discussions and said, “We are grateful to President Trump for his commitment to uncovering the truth in this case.” Maxwell has been seeking to have her conviction overturned, contending she didn’t receive a fair trial.”
Maxwell is about to be offered a deal she can’t refuse
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u/Face2FaceRecs Jul 23 '25
Maxwell likely have her sentenced commuted or receive a pardon for lying that Trump wasn't involved.
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u/The102935thMatt Jul 23 '25
I think a pardon would only bring more blowback. My guess is its a "keep your mother shut, or we keel you. We keel you deed."
They owe her nothing. Shits already blowing up and if she calls out trump its just more denial and she goes to sleep forever.
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u/seeking_horizon Missouri Jul 23 '25
Democrats need to get ahead of whatever they've got planned with Maxwell. Start talking about quid pro quos involved in offering Maxwell a pardon or a commutation. Start talking about subpoenaing her, let's get her talking in front of Congress under oath.
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u/Cheetah6 Jul 23 '25
She’s already in jail. She’s got nothing to lose expect bucking the demands of this admin. Lying under oath to Congress would be peanuts compared to what she’s serving for.
Agreed the Dems should be raising suspicions though.
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u/Bohottie Michigan Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
I am really hoping this is the beginning of the end of Trump. It feels like it.
I am not one of those people who always says that’s the end of Trump. We have seen him survive many scandals that would end anyone else’s political career, but it feels different this time. There is no way he’s making it to the end of his term, and with the way things are looking now, I doubt he’ll make it to the end of 2025.
I am not looking forward to President Vance, but he doesn’t have the cult of personality like Trump. The MAGA movement will die with Trump, and maybe we can finally experience some normality…
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u/formicary California Jul 23 '25
I've been feeling the same, but not willing to type it out loud. Each day this shit is still being talked about, I'm getting more hopeful.
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u/seeking_horizon Missouri Jul 23 '25
Starting to think the theories about Murdoch/Thiel wanting to get Trump out of the picture in favor of Vance might have something to them.
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u/Waco_Room_Throwaway Jul 23 '25
The conservative sub is deleting any mention of this article being posted, lol.
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u/GoodtimesSans Jul 23 '25
They really need to just drop the pretense of any sort of conservatism and rename the server MAGA or MAGA Cult to be more precise.
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u/Waco_Room_Throwaway Jul 23 '25
Is this the first time it's been confirmed that Trump's name was listed in the files?
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u/VegasGamer75 Minnesota Jul 23 '25
Hold the fucking phone here. Are you telling me that the man who was such good friends with Jeffrey Epstein he attends his weddings and sends birthday cards, and also talked about wanting to date his own daughter who told him not to date anyone younger than her when she was 17, and judged young teen beauty pageants and admitted he would walk back and stare at girls 13-14 naked, and seems to support a massive number of pedophiles... IS A PEDOPHILE?!
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u/Some-Day-6845 Jul 23 '25
I don’t get how anyone would be surprised by that. The surprise would have been if he hadn’t been on it. I’m sure somehow/someway his name will miraculously be deleted.
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u/Face2FaceRecs Jul 23 '25
That's what all of this delaying is for, to give them time to scrub and fabricate new files.
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u/the11thdoubledoc Jul 23 '25
These morons will just ask an AI to do it so I don't think time is the limiting element here
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u/Justify-my-buy Jul 23 '25
Um, why doesn’t anyone just believe the 100’s of victims? Oh, and that part where Trump was convicted of 34 felonies? Uh hem…oh yeah and that recording where he justifies grabbing women’s vaginas?
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u/MiserableDucky Jul 23 '25
Because rich, white conservative men weren’t speaking.
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u/Quirky_Mobile_4958 Jul 23 '25
I suspect Speaker Mike Johnson also has skeletons in his closet. Why would a self anointed angel of God protect pedophiles to the extent that he refuses to acknowledge the possibility that perhaps something is wrong. Apparently Johnson is a bird of a feather that flock together.
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u/Artistic-Mango-7399 Jul 23 '25
Mike Johnson admitted that he and his teenage son monitor each other's porn usage for "accountability". He absolutely has skeletons.
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u/Grand_Sprinkles6131 Jul 23 '25
No shit lmao that explains why he’s doctoring up fake democratic scandals and running from the issue like the terrified rat he is. What an absolute, utter piece of shit. At this point, anyone left supporting him is a piece of garbage too. I’m sorry. That’s just how it works. You clowns cried about women in men’s sports and the random jail in California that gave gender affirming care to a trans person but somehow now don’t give a shit that the scumbag you voted for is a literal rapist pedofile? It’s hard to be cordial anymore when you realize this many Americans are just blatant pieces of shit
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u/Goosedukee New York Jul 23 '25
"They told the president at the meeting that the files contained what officials felt was unverified hearsay about many people, including Trump, who had socialized with Epstein in the past, some of the officials said. One of the officials familiar with the documents said they contain hundreds of other names."
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u/NoSwimmers45 Jul 23 '25
Or…hear me out here…hundreds of pedophiles exist and were correctly named in the files.
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u/Terrible_turtle_ Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Likely both. That is to say, there are likely a non-zero number of ignorant numbskulls who just thought it was cool to hang out with a billionaire and were unaware of the rest.
Then there is also a number of those that knew who Epstein was and that is why they hung out with him.
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u/Pockydo Jul 23 '25
My favorite thing about this whole shit show is the cult defense
"why didn't democrats release it?!"
Who cares why is pedo don hiding
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u/AlienInTexas Texas Jul 23 '25
Cause if they did, they would immediately deny it is true. They would say it's a hoax manufactured against their god.
But Trump himself not releasing it makes the document credible and him implicated.
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u/MrKillaMidnight Jul 23 '25
So if there’s files, SURELY there’s a client list right?
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u/TintedApostle Jul 23 '25
I want the treasury files. These have the money trails and Trump is in them.
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u/DubTeeDub America Jul 23 '25
Archive Link - https://archive.is/h4YNX
When Justice Department officials reviewed what Attorney General Pam Bondi called a “truckload” of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein earlier this year, they discovered that Donald Trump’s name appeared multiple times, according to senior administration officials.
In May, Bondi and her deputy informed the president at a meeting in the White House that his name was in the Epstein files, the officials said. Many other high-profile figures were also named, Trump was told. Being mentioned in the records isn’t a sign of wrongdoing.
ohh boy
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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle New York Jul 23 '25
And there’s your answer why the Tulsi Gabbard press conference was today
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u/flux_of_grey_kittens California Jul 23 '25
Where are all the 2A people that have been screaming about the pedo ring and Nazi takeover of the government?
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u/GreyFoxNinjaFan Jul 23 '25
First they wanted to open the files.
Now they want to protect the philes.
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u/ClicketyClackity Jul 23 '25
Now it’s time for the pivot… “just because he’s on the list doesn’t mean he’s guilty of anything”
—later—
“Just because the documents said he raped kids doesn’t mean he raped kids. There’s no photographic evidence.”
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“That’s AI.”
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u/Terrible_turtle_ Jul 23 '25
Of course the WSJ has more in the barrel. And of course all lawyered to the teeth.
Don't forget, Murdoch had an unscheduled meeting with Vance right before the last article.
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u/hyborians Jul 23 '25
The American people deserve to know if their president is a pedophile!
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u/zenG-pig Jul 23 '25
That letter about “beautiful secrets” Trump sent Epstein on his birthday was plenty proof for any serious person.
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