Republican Speaker Mike Johnson said Democrats would impeach Trump a third time with majority

[u/1-randomonium]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/08/04/republican-house-speaker-mike-johnson-said-democrats-would-impeach-trump-third-time-if-win-elections/85501345007/

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[u/gentlemantroglodyte]

They probably should just for the impoundments of congressional funding alone.

[u/meteoritegallery → u/gentlemantroglodyte]

In reality, the headline should read "Republican Speaker Mike Johnson said Republicans won't hold a Senate trial to convict and remove president guilty of numerous criminal acts, even though they hold a majority."

Using headlines to shift the dialogue like this post does is...how we got here.

[u/Polar_Vortx → u/gentlemantroglodyte]

If it was a democrat, the plane crashes would have done it and half the party would have joined the republicans.

[u/THEdopealope → u/Polar_Vortx]

God damn the accuracy is soul crushing 😭😭

[u/Ill_Technician3936 → u/THEdopealope]

What's soul crushing to me is George 'Dubya' Bush couldn't get away with half this shit without the Republicans turning on him.

[u/OfficialDCShepard → u/Ill_Technician3936]

Mostly because he was smart enough to terrorize foreign brown people and had ruthless operators puppeteering him like Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. Even then Abu Ghraib and the unpopularity of the war in general almost brought him down until the Swift Boaters were astroturfed in just in time. Now it looks like a fraternity hazing ritual HW did in Skull and Bones by comparison, because the Imperial Boomerang 🪃 was going to reach us someday.

[u/Mustard_Gap → u/Polar_Vortx]

There's a problem in that if the Republicans were removed from power today, it would take a hell of a lot more than seven months to correct all the damage the GQP has done to governmental inner workings since the inauguration.

[u/Polar_Vortx → u/Mustard_Gap]

I mean yes but that wasn’t the point I was making

[u/Mustard_Gap → u/Polar_Vortx]

My apologies, it was me getting lost in the threads

[u/AVGuy42 → u/Mustard_Gap]

See this right here is what makes me know you’re a reasonable person.

[u/FloridaGirlNikki → u/AVGuy42]

So true, and pretty fucking sad that general civility and reasoning have gone by the wayside.

[u/Polar_Vortx → u/Mustard_Gap]

No worries.

[u/Eternal_Bagel → u/Mustard_Gap]

Breaking things is far simpler than building them so the Republicans have the easy task.  They just need to make the country worse to justify privatization of public services pretending that their companies will do a better job than the government they are obstructing 

[u/DigNitty → u/Polar_Vortx]

Trying to find those graphs but I’m on mobile… of democrat and republican sentiments to drone strikes, executive order abuse, drilling for oil, etc

Where democrats consistently are against those things but republicans vary based on who’s president.

[u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope → u/Polar_Vortx]

I fear that's going to be one of the major issues when (if) a Democrat ever returns to power. Everyone will be incredibly strict and watchful of their every breath, basically paralyzing them from doing anything substantive to affect change or rollback the damage that has been done by this coup.

No one lets perfection be the enemy of good like Dems do. The rhetoric is going to flip so hard in the other direction that I doubt anything will get accomplished.

[u/makemeking706 → u/gentlemantroglodyte]

That was one of the things he was impeached for the first time, so yeah. 

[u/carbonqubit → u/makemeking706]

Yet they'll never get enough votes to actually convict the Traitor in Chief. Congress is a fucking joke.

[u/EpictetanusThrow → u/gentlemantroglodyte]

Just for emoluments.

[u/Top1CmntrsAreLosers → u/EpictetanusThrow]

The absolute idiocy of them not to do that the first time. Best case they‘d have gotten to use congressional investigative powers to expose actually damaging grift and not just the parts we’ve insanely normalized, but at worst it would have forced R senators to vote against the clear text of the constitution. The accepted jet gift and crypto dinners this time around make an emoluments case much more straightforward, but who are we kidding if we say there wasn’t enough there last time.

[u/trwawy05312015 → u/gentlemantroglodyte]

Or federalizing DC on the basis of multiple lies.

[u/Ok-Brother7959 → u/gentlemantroglodyte]

Impeach then arrest!

[u/eric_ts]

That would be bad because? Maybe they could release the Epstein files. The speaker seems to be trying to distract the media from Trump’s involvement with child prostitution.

[u/AmericaRocks1776 → u/eric_ts]

He's a conservative from Louisiana, that's what they do!

[u/FirstForFun44 → u/AmericaRocks1776]

Let's not forget he adopted a young male when he was like 27 or something and then lied about when he did it and when he got married for some reason.... I wonder why he felt the need to lie...?

[u/lostintransaltions → u/FirstForFun44]

Speaker honestly looks like he likes little boys exclusively.. that man give me the creeps in a very different way than Trump does. Skin crawls just thinking about him, always has been that way, even before he became speaker..

[u/EMAW2008 → u/AmericaRocks1776]

And he has the youth pastor vibes to boot.

[u/Warm-Room-2625 → u/eric_ts]

Prostitution implies the child got paid.

[u/SteamyCuckold → u/Warm-Room-2625]

Internships pay in experience

[u/idiotdave → u/Warm-Room-2625]

Epstein's victims say they were paid

[u/razz-boy → u/idiotdave]

I think they were asked if they wanted to be paid to give "massages". I don't think they were asked if they wanted to get paid to be raped by a pedophile.

Let's say someone paid you to fix their sink, and then while you were bent over fixing the sink they pulled your pants down and raped you. Would you consider yourself to be a prostitute in that scenario?

[u/SentrySappinMahSpy → u/eric_ts]

It would be bad because there's no way Trump will be removed. Not because of impeachment, anyway. It would be a useless symbolic gesture that would just make his base love him even more because "evil Democrats are persecuting him."

[u/Pimpicane → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

"evil Democrats are persecuting him."

They already believe that. Why try to placate them?

[u/Jabberwocky2022 → u/Pimpicane]

Exactly, if we placate them, then we fail to persecute prosecute him when he needs to be. They use this rhetorical tactic to deflect accountability.

(edit, I did mean prosecute, but blindly used the same language above)

[u/Main-Algae-1064 → u/Jabberwocky2022]

This is why we are losing!!! We placate and don’t strike the jugular for blood. Time to stop playing nice. Well, actually they won and nothing to do now because of weak democrats trying to play both sides…. Thanks for ruining our country. It’s gone.

[u/PeopleareWatchingMe → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

I don't care what they think. We should still impeach him.

[u/yourrealfather696969 → u/PeopleareWatchingMe]

Not only that, but every minute spent on impeachment is time they can't work on enacting more of their fascist agenda.

[u/AtticaBlue → u/PeopleareWatchingMe]

Exactly. It is entirely irrelevant what they think. When they’re in power they use it to the fullest extent possible and without any hesitation whatsoever, such as demonstrated most recently in Texas where the Republicans have immediately moved to arrest Democrats for holding up the former’s gerrymandering attempt. Where was the Dems’ alacrity when they were completely within their legal rights to arrest people like Jim Jordan for defying legal subpoenas? Where was the determination when they should have moved to investigate and bar Trump from office for election interference and an attempted coup instead of sitting on their hands waiting until it was too late?

[u/UnquestionabIe → u/PeopleareWatchingMe]

I agree but he's simply the figurehead. The worst most long lasting of all this has been the work of an intersection of terrorist groups such as the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society. Getting Trump out of office is a start but we need to purge all the traitors who those groups have installed before the country has a shot at actually healing.

[u/Polantaris → u/UnquestionabIe]

If they actually somehow get the numbers to impeach, then impeach his replacement. And that replacement. And the next. Until we get to an adult in the succession line.

[u/UnquestionabIe → u/Polantaris]

While I strongly agree I also think something that needs to, and can be done is arresting the goons they send to enforce this shit. People preemptively cry "but they'll get a pardon anyway!" So what? You might beat the rap but you won't beat the ride. Make it extremely unattractive to work for fascists, knowing even with some sort of immunity you'll be wasting at least some time and your reputation being caught up in a legal mess.

But no judges seems to have that sort of courage. They like the perks and power but none of the responsibility.

[u/No_Credibility → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

Has he tried not breaking the law? I hear that helps someone not get impeached.

[u/CraigKostelecky → u/No_Credibility]

He can't break the law since the law doesn't apply to him.

So sayeth John Roberts.

[u/GeekoHog → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

So don’t try to uphold the law because a bunch of Senators are chicken?

[u/razz-boy → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

Yea, let’s just roll over and give up and not set a precedent that these actions deserve impeachment. That’s a much better strategy.

Surely the republicans will not call the democrats evil, and the most important thing right now is what republicans think of democrats. Right?

[u/TBANON_NSFW → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

I mean american voters could turn up and give democrats the needed seats to remove him... Its not like its a impossible goal.

In 2020 just 800k more democrat votes over 3 states where a total of 25m eligible voters who didnt vote, would have given democrats 5 more senators right there.

Multiple states have million+ registered democrats sitting at home when republicans win by margins less than 50k-100k vote difference.

100m never vote, 150m never vote during midterms and over 200m never vote in primaries and special elections.

You just need people to give a shit and do their basic civic duty. Republican favor amongst independents is at an all-time low.

If young people and democrats and liberals turn up in the required 80%+ numbers over the next 2 elections, they could have the needed 68 senate votes to remove supreme court justices and arrest and imprison Trump.

But Ive lost faith in america after 2024 election. The people wont do anything to save themselves until its faar too late and then they will just blame someone else.

[u/jrf_1973 → u/TBANON_NSFW]

The people wont do anything to save themselves until its faar too late and then they will just blame someone else.

Same with climate change. Wait until the scientists get the blame for not warning us all...

[u/Pennsylvania6-5000 → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

Impeachment comes in two stages. The House needs to vote to impeach. The Senate needs to vote to trial for impeachment. If two thirds of the Senate vote to convict, then the official can be removed from office.

We missed the second part last time. I’m really hoping for a second part this time.

[u/HudasEscapeGoat → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

so you don't want to do things bc his base might love him more? you just said they are irrational so why would we act rationally towards them?

[u/random-50 → u/SentrySappinMahSpy]

Symbolic, sure. Useless? Are protests useless symbolic gestures?

[u/absolutelynotagoblin]

Oh no! They might successfully impeach the worst, most corrupt president to ever exist? clutches pearls

[u/bbqsox → u/absolutelynotagoblin]

But he’s God’s chosen king! God has a habit of picking people in direct opposition to every single thing he calls good.

Why wouldn’t he pick a serial fraud, multiple adulterer, pedophile, and constant liar?

[u/BleachedUnicornBHole → u/bbqsox]

God is testing Trump’s faith by putting so much temptation to be utterly corrupt in his way.

[u/TheVirginVibes → u/BleachedUnicornBHole]

Mike Johnson legitimately compared himself to Noah, which is batshit crazy in its own right.

[u/PhoenixTineldyer → u/TheVirginVibes]

Noah famously had an app on his phone that allowed him to share his porn history with his son

[u/bbqsox → u/TheVirginVibes]

I think it was Moses. Which is actually worse. Very traditional Jewish scholars and some conservative Christians believe that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. So by comparing himself to Moses, he is comparing himself to one of the most significant religious figures for billions of people around the world.

And that’s on top of all the connotations of how humble and reverent he is reported to have been by the scriptural narrative.

[u/rogerryan22 → u/bbqsox]

To teach his followers that their imperfections don't prevent them from being useful servants. Modern christians use the story of king David as their fallback justification for how god would use an imperfect vessel. David broke lots of gods rules, including having a friend murdered so he could sleep with his wife, and not only did this not result in god abandoning him, it actually meant god decided his own son should come to earth one day as one of this king david's descendants. 

David was a very flawed character but his supposed redeeming quality was his heart. He was always full of remorse and felt bad after doing bad things, and he looked to god when he felt bad. Trump does not experience remorse or anything close to it. The only thing he has in common with king david is a proclivity to do bad things, but that's good enough for a lot of them.

[u/PresidentTroyAikman → u/rogerryan22]

The Bible is all bullshit. Religion is bullshit. It’s nonsense mythology for brainless dorks.

[u/Agile_Singer → u/PresidentTroyAikman]

Hey, it lets you make money and not be taxed. So not completely brainless, just super corrupt!

[u/imposterstatus → u/PresidentTroyAikman]

Yeah I'm kind of sick of placating people about their imaginary friends. You'd think technology and knowledge would have moved a more significant portion of humanity away from superstition, but somehow, I feel it's had the opposite effect.

[u/Cospo → u/absolutelynotagoblin]

As a non-American, I don't really understand what Impeachment even does because Trump was impeached twice during his first term and literally nothing changed. So what exactly is the point?

[u/MantaRayDonovan1 → u/Cospo]

Impeachment is like being brought up on charges (by the House of the Representatives), then the jury still has to convict you (the Senate by a 2/3rds majority). The point is Trump broke an incredible number of laws and under a Republican party that had any belief at all in law & order, the constitution, basic decorum, not raping children, etc, they should have voted in the senate to remove him from office. But Republicans are universally scum with no morals so despite the Dems/House doing their part Trump's multiple impeachments can't remove him from office without Republican senate votes.

[u/imposterstatus → u/MantaRayDonovan1]

But Republicans are universally scum with no morals

Nothing to add, I just thought this was worth repeating.

[u/WontThinkStraight]

Don't threaten me with a good time!

[u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547 → u/WontThinkStraight]

That’s it? That better just be the tip of the iceberg. I want the unredacted Epstein files released, his entire administration investigated and held accountable, and the billions in ill-gotten gains during Trump’s time in office seized and redistributed to the public as restitution. Also, fuck his idiotic tariffs. 

[u/Mediocre_Degree3460 → u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547]

Thats it?

Hague

[u/bickering_fool → u/Mediocre_Degree3460]

US ain't signed up...now we know why.

[u/thisislieven → u/bickering_fool]

As a sidenote: people should start pushing for the US to join international courts - the ICC in The Hague and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights in San José. That could lead to actual accountability and as a bonus a way to bypass SCOTUS if needed in some cases.
On top of that - fix the Appellate Body of the WTO. Appointments have been frozen basically disabling the body to enforce its rules.

The US is party to the ICJ (International Court of Justice) as it is a requirement of UN membership, but they only handle cases between nations. There are a few nations that may have valid cases against the US though (but it won't help US citizens, at least not directly).

Also: the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child should be ratified - the US stands alone in its decline to do so.

^{edit: phrasing}

[u/USCanuck → u/thisislieven]

We are barely hanging on over here.

[u/PhoenixTineldyer → u/thisislieven]

That could lead to actual accountability and as a bonus a way to bypass SCOTUS if needed in some cases.

Nobody in the United States is going to accept the Hague overruling the Supreme Court.

[u/Xiraken → u/PhoenixTineldyer]

Well, in the case of THIS supreme court.. I think PLENTY of Americans would be on board with it being overruled.

[u/scuppasteve → u/Xiraken]

Ill put my name on the list. I think everyone should be held accountable and the US and its trash Supreme Court should be one of the first in line.

[u/imposterstatus → u/scuppasteve]

Yeah, like, what other options are there if the positions are compromised? Expect the Supreme Court to hold themselves accountable for their complicity?

[u/Extinction-Entity → u/imposterstatus]

Exactly. “Checks and balances” was just an honor system all along and there is no honor among…well, whatever you wanna call them.

[u/terdferguson → u/PhoenixTineldyer]

At this point, I'm willing to consider it.

[u/thisislieven → u/PhoenixTineldyer]

It's so absurd to me that some people immediately choose to shoot it down.

Nothing is perfect, if only. But this is a way beyond the US self, and even if ignored there would be a sense of validation and inspiration for the American people. It would also limit the US' ability on the global stage which actually could inspire at least some national reform.

If the US would be a signatory to the courts, then that's how it works. I am not saying the US would do this, especially not under the current regime. But maybe it's a good idea to add it to the conversation, to get people used to the idea and explore it?

[u/BananaPalmer → u/[deleted]]

I mean personally I just try to avoid committing crimes against humanity, but you do you

[u/SilentLennie → u/bickering_fool]

No, it's far worse:

all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

Also known by it's nick name:

The Hague Invasion Act

Notice how it said allies, which could include a certain Israeli PM

You can thank Bush for that after 9/11, but based on the actions of the leaders of the US after, probably their opinion isn't that different on the topic.

[u/Merusk → u/bickering_fool]

US ain't signed up...now we know why.

We've known why for decades. Yes, this has always been the reason, along with giving us the ability to act unilaterally without being answerable to war crimes charges that are often justified.

[u/hoffman4 → u/Mediocre_Degree3460]

Crimes against humanity.

[u/giraloco → u/Mediocre_Degree3460]

Pardons don't apply to The Hague. We will put them all in the luxury airplane on a free vacation trip to Europe.

[u/aaron1860 → u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547]

They would have to impeach Vance too

[u/Illustrious-Driver19 → u/aaron1860]

Mighty mouse JD is as guilty as Trump.

[u/aaron1860 → u/Illustrious-Driver19]

Agreed but It would be a lot harder to convict him and find direct proof of his crimes. He could also pardon Trump while his impeachment trials were taking place

[u/Hardass_McBadCop → u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547]

Also, basically the whole government workforce needs to be re-vetted for foreign entanglements or because they were hired based on loyalty to Trump.

[u/onlyPornstuffs → u/Hardass_McBadCop]

Trump literally showed everyone that everything is fake and we don’t have to do what they tell us anymore.

[u/Vincent__Vega → u/onlyPornstuffs]

Just wait and see how "constitutionalists" the Supreme Court becomes if Dems take back any power.

[u/bluenosesutherland → u/Hardass_McBadCop]

Disband ICE

[u/Adventurer_By_Trade → u/bluenosesutherland]

On Day 1

[u/SilentLennie → u/Hardass_McBadCop]

Also, please get money out of politics.

[u/Mr_Bristles → u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547]

you missed where every ICE agent that broke the law serves their time in Alligator Alcatraz, with the rest of the administration found guilty.

[u/Bigface_McBigz → u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547]

Who said that was it? I'm sure they'll do more, within their power. We're not getting a redacted Epstein list, let alone an unredacted one, while Trump is President. Doesn't matter if Dems win a majority.

[u/Sharp_Blueberry_6547 → u/Bigface_McBigz]

It’s important to give people a dream, a goal, an idealized outcome, don’t you think? Fix their focus towards his most egregious sins. Trump has always willed things his way. He threw out the rule book for himself, but expects everyone else to still play along. 

[u/kenman345 → u/WontThinkStraight]

Honestly, it only matters if we can actually stop the Project 2025 agenda and remove Trump from power. But I don’t think removing him from power would make a difference at this point. If removed, he would need to also be barred from running again formally and not just say he’s served two terms he can’t run, because obviously if he doesn’t fill out the second term he has more “justification” for another run. And he’ll be running with political retribution which will engage his base dramatically. He needs to be cast out by his own, through the Epstein files or going too far some other way.

[u/MagicAl6244225 → u/kenman345]

He is already ineligible to run again because he's been elected twice. And this term is the retribution term. I hate to say it but we actually might be better off if he'd been reelected in 2020, Pence had still been VP and there was more carryover from his first term. He'd be out and done now.

[u/StorminNorman → u/kenman345]

He needs to be cast out by his own, through the Epstein files or going too far some other way.

You pointed out earlier in your comment that this doesn't matter anymore. He's a puppet at best.

[u/Constantinople2020]

Trump has arrested people for thought crime.

Trump has interfered with judicial investigations in Israel and Brazil. In the case of Brazil, he's imposed tariffs because its government is charging a former President for trying to overthrow a lawfully elected government.

Trump has accepted bribes from foreign governments such as the the 747 from Qatar.

Trump refuses to release the Epstein files.

Among other reasons.

[u/NoKingsInAmerica → u/Constantinople2020]

He literally tried to steal the 2020 election, and no one ever fucking talks about it.

Everyone hyperfixated on the shit going on at the Capitol and completely ignored the treasonous conspiracy going on in the background that actually fucking mattered.

[u/ElliotsBuggyEyes → u/NoKingsInAmerica]

Every person I have ever talked to about why I believe J6 was an insurrection is founded in the fake elector plot. J6 was the last attempt in a line of actions that were all illegal and anti-democratic.

The amount of people who have never heard of this, including dems, Dems, and liberals it astounding. Never mind how many Republicans and right wingers.

[u/TrueNorth2881 → u/ElliotsBuggyEyes]

Plus Trump trying to intimidate the election officials in Georgia and Arizona to illegitimately flip the election in those states for him.

"I just need you to find 11,871 votes, ok? Biden got 11,780, so that's one more than we need. Count the ballots again. I just need you to find the votes for me, Brad" -Trump, 2020.

It really doesn't get any clearer than that. It's so goddamn obvious that Trump attempted to steal the election in 2020, and perhaps succeeded in stealing the election in 2024. But it seems like nothing will ever be done about it. It's maddening

[u/ElliotsBuggyEyes → u/TrueNorth2881]

There were 7 total states where his lawyers tried to pull the fake electors plot by his direction. Many of the lawyers that worked for him on the fraud have been disbarred or are in the process of being disbarred.

This man will use up the people around him and then throw them under the bus when their usefulness has expired.

[u/SolveAndResolve → u/ElliotsBuggyEyes]

You are exactly right, the insurrection is a messaging problem.

Trump's insurrection began well before January 6th with the fake elector schemes and still continues today because no legal remedy has been found to hold inciters of the insurrection accountable. Trump is a constitutionally disqualified insurrectionist who is unconstitutionally occupying the office of President. Period. BOTH the House and Senate have to take separate two third majority votes to remove Trump's insurrectionist status. The certification of a dubious 2024 election wrought with statistical anomalies does nothing to remove Trump's disqualifying insurrectionist status. All of these facts should be repeated ad nauseam.

[u/korben2600 → u/ElliotsBuggyEyes]

It was John Eastman's brainchild to stage a coup with fake electors. Some of pedoguy's own officials pled guilty in Georgia to aiding the conspiracy. Yet far too many of us are still acting like this guy didn't conspire with his officials, electors across key swing states, and Republicans in Congress to attempt a coup on American democracy.

[u/EpicForevr → u/NoKingsInAmerica]

absolutely insane read. wish this was more popularized. some of the quotes are really out there and feel more like over the top examples from a history book

[u/we_are_sex_bobomb → u/Constantinople2020]

Don’t forget pardoning the Jan 6 terrorists! He did that on day one and it’s grounds for impeachment.

Seriously if there had been a Democrat majority in Congress he could have been impeached several times over at this point.

[u/FancyPantsDancer → u/we_are_sex_bobomb]

He should never been allowed to get away with an attempted coup. I find it disturbing we as a country didn't take this more seriously.

[u/-something_original- → u/Constantinople2020]

This whole “trade war” is a way to accept bribes. Companies and countries are paying millions to him. Not the US. No we just pay all the extra tariffs.

[u/SwimmingPirate9070]

Bro! If you are impeachable that many fucking times there is a MAJOR problem

[u/thehalfwit → u/SwimmingPirate9070]

"No. It's not me. It's the American public that is wrong."

[u/Designer-Contract852 → u/SwimmingPirate9070]

My maga parents think everyone is out to get poor old trump. He's just a good guy everyone wants gone because he knows how to fix everything , according to them. It's a cult.

[u/metalcowhorse → u/SwimmingPirate9070]

I think the real problem is that impeachment does absolutely fuck all

[u/Quitbeingobtuse → u/metalcowhorse]

No, it's corrupt Republicans like Mitch McConnell and the rest of the GOP Senate, and the corrupt conservative Court ignoring the U.S. Constitution... shitting on the U.S. Constitution.

[u/dookle14 → u/metalcowhorse]

This. It’s a partisan vote in the houses, one that would be hard to ever get the number of votes needed to remove a president.

If a president knew they were going to lose an impeachment vote, they’d just pull a Nixon and resign.

[u/TacoIncoming → u/SwimmingPirate9070]

"Impeachment is just a political tool"

Have you forgotten the mental gymnastics from last time?

[u/DaaaahWhoosh → u/SwimmingPirate9070]

The issue is that nothing matters. You can get impeached simply because congress doesn't like you, so even if you did actual crimes and failed to uphold your oaths, people can think that you're only getting impeached because congress doesn't like you. And then when you survive the impeachment it's like you were declared not guilty, when really it's just that, again, enough people in congress liked you. Too many Americans think it's all a popularity contest and, in some ways, it is, because if the laws aren't upheld when it's your party breaking them, then there might as well be no laws.

[u/1-randomonium]

I am fairly sure that the US Supreme Court, with two-thirds of its justices being Republicans with proven loyalty to Trump, are unlikely to lift a finger to halt any of his excesses.

The only thing that will stop all this corruption, power grabs, economic and diplomatic chaos is Trump dying of natural causes(and President Vance sacking most of his advisors) or Trump being impeached and forced to spend all his energies battling for personal survival rather than going after everyone else.

[u/iyamwhatiyam8000 → u/1-randomonium]

I doubt that Vance could make much of a difference to the roll-out of the Project 2025 agenda after its objectives have been reached in the next year or two.

[u/1-randomonium → u/iyamwhatiyam8000]

The trouble with Trump is that he's prepared to keep up this onslaught every day, every week for the remainder of his natural life. He'll double down on any pushback with even more authoritarianism and illegal/unconstitutional means, from using federal agencies to harass any people in his way to actually rigging the entire political system so that his yes men are permanently running America.

And this is largely because he knows that without all of this, he and his family businesses are doomed the moment he leaves office. He is essentially bullying the entire world into submission, and all the powerful people currently forced to play nice while he's ordering them around won't be so forgiving when he no longer has the ability to back up his threats.

Vance doesn't have the same baggage or motivation, and more importantly he gets his advice from a different group of slightly less nasty people(The tech oligarchs like Musk aren't fans of the tariffs or the White House interfering in the day-to-day functioning of businesses and universities).

[u/Grace_of_Talamh → u/1-randomonium]

Not sure I'd classify Thiel as less nasty. I'm also convinced in some ways he'd be worse due to being just as evil but less stupid. I think the plus of Vance is his lack of charisma. I don't think he could hold the cult together or market hate like Trump can.

[u/RowAwayJim71 → u/1-randomonium]

Unfortunately none of this stops with Trump. People still don’t get it. Trump is THE useful idiot. Emphasis on idiot! The Heritage Foundation is the actual head of this administration, which was the goal the whole time.

Trump can literally do whatever the fuck, say whatever the fuck, and act as horrible as he wants because all it does is distract from what his administration is actually doing. Trump is the Talking Head; the puppet.

[u/Galactapuss → u/RowAwayJim71]

Stalking horse is more apt. Trump is a fucking moron, but he's a live wire, not being controlled by anyone imo. He presents a danger to them too, given his variable attitudes

[u/Icy-Lobster-203 → u/Galactapuss]

My bold prediction is that after the midterms, Republicans finally decide Epstein is actually a problem and impeach him, so that Vance can become President and run twice more.

Edit to add; they will of course right the elections first, to guarantee Vance will win despite being a wet noodle.

I think that has a pretty low chance of actually happening. But if it does I want to feel smart.

[u/nasorrty346tfrgser → u/1-randomonium]

Agree. Trump is taking over DC, and honestly who would believe that Trump would step down?

I would say even with an election loss in 2028 or impeachment, Trump won't step down and would stay in the president seat until he died of natural causes.

[u/Calcutec_1]

So he’s admitting that he’s guilty of crimes

[u/G34RY → u/Calcutec_1]

They boast about it all the time. Their supporters embrace it.

[u/SaltyPinKY]

Who cares at this point ...what does impeachment even mean currently.   It didn't prevent him frim running again, it didn't prevent him from pardoning Jan 6th traitors.

It's just a word at this point....carries no weight or value 

[u/BigBangAssBanger_3D → u/SaltyPinKY]

Their last chance was back in 2021. If anyone had any common sense, it would have been done then and we'd be finished with the nightmare for good.

But no one bothered to go through with it because the US legal system is beyond fucked, so we ended up with the racist Pedophile in power again.

[u/StingerAE → u/BigBangAssBanger_3D]

He should never have made it to Jan 8th.  Of all the many times his run should have been over, jan 6th was biggest by far.  Even the worst toe-the-party-line hacks were visibly shaken.  Summarily impeached, convicted and booted out of office and barred from ever running again within 24 hours.  Any thing less is and was a utter failure of the US democratic systems amd institutions.

[u/bbqsox → u/StingerAE]

Yeah but Mitch was afraid he wouldn’t be able to get reelected one last time!

[u/Mediocre_Scott → u/bbqsox]

Glitch McConnell really made the most of that final term

[u/StingerAE → u/bbqsox]

He'd already won his last election by then.  

[u/SmarmyThatGuy → u/StingerAE]

After blue screening a few times, I’m sure he’s in peak cognitive performance to recognize that fact.

[u/UnquestionabIe → u/StingerAE]

That him and all the various collaborators didn't end up behind bars awaiting trial before the day was over is when it became blindly obvious how deep the rot is. Before that we could pretend there was line him and his goons could cross that would end the madness.

[u/Big-Rule5269 → u/StingerAE]

But...but...he said "peacefully!" They ignore months of accusations, stirring the pot, lies that are completely specific in nature and point at this one word as evidence.

[u/insertwittynamethere → u/BigBangAssBanger_3D]

You can thank Mitch McConnell for that in 2021. He was impeached again, then McConnell punted it until after inauguration, then said a former President couldn't/shouldn't be brought up, as he's no longer part of government, and that the courts can handle it.

Incredible move, and one I do think McConnell actually regrets. I seriously dislike McConnell and all the hypocrisy he's espoused to lead the country to this destructive moment, but I think he ironically believed Trump would have been disqualified moving forward in the eyes of the people and within the courts as a result of Jan. 6, 2021 to have made that bullshit argument at the time.

[u/Mega-Eclipse → u/insertwittynamethere]

Incredible move, and one I do think McConnell actually regrets.

Not even a little. Republicans do not care about any of us. he got to spend the last (whatever it was) 50 years in congress doing whatever the he wanted as one of the most powerful people in the washington, amasssing a small fortune. He's 80+ years old. Even if he lives to be 100, he's not going to have deal with this mess.

[u/-reddit_is_terrible- → u/insertwittynamethere]

that the courts can handle it

Congress is the court dammit. Congress has the constitutional responsibility for oversight of the president. But it has given away its authority time and again. Spineless

[u/BVoLatte → u/SaltyPinKY]

Plus without a 67 seat majority in the Senate... impeachment is useless besides forcing them to hold a trial publicly before the Republicans vote Not Guilty yet again.

Edit: 67 seats is what I meant

[u/notmyworkaccount5 → u/SaltyPinKY]

That's been wild finding out, all our laws are just words without people to uphold them. It's also why I'm in a constant state of anger about Biden and Garland failing to uphold the law when they had the power to do so.

They could have prevented this but Biden was blinded by this imaginary version of the republicans who could be reasoned with, Garland dragging his heels to investigate an attempted coup should become synonymous with cowardice.

[u/Mediocre_Scott → u/notmyworkaccount5]

Garland was a bad pick Biden needed a lion. And should have removed garland when he found out he wasn’t. Everything should have gone through the justice department though. Apart from replacing garland I think there wasn’t much else he should have done. I still think you have to follow the rules when you are in power if you are trying to protect those rules

[u/notmyworkaccount5 → u/Mediocre_Scott]

Yeah he should have replaced him day 2 when he didn't immediately start investigating the attempted coup.

I'm of the opinion that Garland dragging his heels is part of why so many republicans think it is political persecution, he didn't appoint Jack Smith until November 18, 2022, 3 days after trump announced his reelection.

I've had so many arguments with republicans when I try to get them to realize trump attempted a coup and they ask "If that's true then why didn't they start investigating right away instead of after he announced reelection years later?" and I genuinely don't have an answer because yeah they should have investigated right away.

[u/CAM6913]

Trump should have been in prison decades ago, and never been allowed to run for president but since he was he should have been thrown out of office the first time and charged convicted and jailed

[u/Quiet_Property2460]

I mean the question is, why doesn't Johnson?

[u/we_are_sex_bobomb → u/Quiet_Property2460]

Because he’s either a friend of pedophiles or a pedophile himself.

[u/jason082]

Fuck, the difficult piece would be deciding which charges to bring. There are so many options.

I’d probably start with his corrupt crypto investments as that would be the easiest to prove.

[u/1-randomonium → u/jason082]

Prove in what sense and to what effect? Trump had already committed so many crimes during and before his first term that I was sure he'd be serving jail time within a year of leaving office, but the Biden administration ended up unable to bring any of the investigations to a conclusion even after four years.

[u/Cannibal_Soup → u/1-randomonium]

And the Senate refused to convict on both impeachments. Unfortunately, it would take several Rs crossing the aisle picket line to make good on any future impeachment efforts with the fat bastard still in office.

[u/dreaganusaf]

Maybe a Democrat Congress would actually do their jobs as the 3rd branch of government and call out the bullshit when the Executive branch is usurping every other branch of government. There is only 1 branch of government right now and that's not how our government is supposed to work.

[u/Foodspec]

HE’S SAYING AS LONG AS REPUBLICANS ARE IN POWER, LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM

Pathetic. MAGA, you’re fucking pathetic

[u/OmegaMountain]

Mike Johnson should be impeaching Trump a third time, but he has zero integrity, so RELEASE THE GODDAMN EPSTEIN FILES.

[u/PuffPuffFayeFaye]

Don’t impeach him. Neuter the office with clear, legislated reforms and make sure this doesn’t happen again.

[u/cowghost]

Mike johnson says "congress will do its job to uphold the constitution" if democrats are elected

[u/kromel]

As any sane group would.

[u/StingerAE]

Pretty dramatic admission that if Dems had a majority, the system of government might actually stand a chance of working.

[u/thatEMSguy]

If republicans weren’t spineless power hungry cucks, they’d do the same

[u/NotOK1955]

No, Mike.

We want him in prison.

[u/N0S0UP_4U]

What do you expect? He commits a new “high crime and misdemeanor” every damn day.

[u/Depressed-Industry]

Hey Mikey, watched any good porn with your teenage son lately?

[u/Migleemo]

For raping kids, accepting bribes, deploying troops on US citizens?

[u/ceojp]

As soon as fucking possible. There is a growing backlog of impeachable offenses.

[u/EphEwe2]

Mike Johnson adopted a teenage boy while in his 20s. Mike Johnson went through conversion therapy. Mike Johnson is a self loathing homosexual.

[u/jtan212]

So Trump is afraid of Democrats coming to power ?

[u/TheMancersDilema]

I sure hope they would.

[u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

Impeach? Try slinging the rapist in a jail cell and throwing away the key. 

[u/inhaledcorn]

Oh, that's just going to be the start of what Democrats should do...

[u/Jackpot777]

Hey, America. Want to see us prosecute rich and powerful pedophiles?

Vote Democrat. 

[u/the_brunster]

r/NoShitSherlock

[u/JoeHio]

Ok Mike, what crime do you think they would impeach him for? And if you are aware that there is a crime or the perception of a crime, then why are you bending over and screaming gentle please! Instead of corralling the GOp lemmings into doing the right thing.but I guess it's what's expected from a Christian Zealot Capitalist

[u/Harbinger2001]

They better impeach him. He’s breaking the law out in the open.

[u/pattyG80]

Imagine an out of control asshole President having to deal with consequences.

[u/MidLifeCrysis75]

Correct 👍

[u/LifeofRiley72]

Anyone who thinks having a pedophile as president is ok needs their head examined

[u/h0tel-rome0]

Impeachment has no teeth. It’s worthless

[u/osirus35]

Of course he will get impeached. If it was not already clear that he has been literally the worst most corrupt US president in history we need to make sure no one else can come close. 3 impeachments will be hard to top in the history books. I hope they use the most unflattering pictures as well when kids read about it in their history books

[u/snowbirdnerd]

Yes, that is what you should do when a president is commiting crimes. 

[u/rodsteel2005]

He’s goddamn right we would. High crimes and misdemeanors must not be ignored and condoned.

[u/yingyanghomie]

Checks and balance is inconvenient to the crooks

[u/EMAW2008]

They fucking better. And better remove his ass from office/force a resignation. He and his cohorts have caused irreparable damage to this country.

[u/EFreethought]

The Republicans should be impeaching him as well.

[u/BigGrooveBox]

Y…yeah? Obviously.

[u/camdeb]

So Johnson just admitted he knows Trump has committed impeachable offenses but chooses to do nothing. Got it.

[u/OpportunityDismal917]

I mean, if I kept doing crimes, I wouldn't keep my job.

[u/Frisbeeperth]

Actually the next elections (mid term) will either highlight how intelligent Americans are - or, how stupid.

[u/No_Foundation16]

No shit Johnson and where the hell are the Epstein files?

[u/Sumoop]

I mean he is wiping his ass with the constitution while the SC and congress help him.

[u/DistractedPhoenix]

Howabout we release the Epstein files, review them for potential crimes, and then make the call?

[u/Darkmerosier]

Republicans should also be impeaching him with a majority.

[u/TheF0CTOR]

If raping kids and covering up the pedophile ring you supplied victims for isn't a high crime or misdemeanor, I don't know what is.

[u/SteveL_VA]

Yeah - AND HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

He's an imbecile who just does things on a whim. No planning, no evaluation of whether the impetus is real, no analysis of whether the action will even have the desired affect. He then lies about it to the public, and we suffer as the ship sinks another few inches. Rinse and repeat, every fucking week.

[u/Party-Meeting-6266]

Well, clearly impeaching a president doesn’t fucking do anything. He still led an insurrection, regained power, and his breaking the law constantly in office

[u/TheDarkHelmet1985]

Unless he can be removed in the Senate, this is a waste of time and money.

[u/Gonstackk]

Please don't threaten me with a good time.

Secondly I bet the Epstein files would get released then because the GoP (Guardians of pedophiles) sure don't seem to want to release them. Gee i wonder why.....

[u/DogMilkBB]

Have they consider doing less crime?

[u/Recent-Ad-5493]

As they fucking should. If the republicans did their fucking job at all, it would not have made it through the first or second

[u/mokti]

I mean... duh. The man is wiping his ass with the Constitution.

[u/[deleted]]

His actions already impeached himself no one made him do this, he did this to the USA. The only way an authoritarian can stay in power is rigging elections like Russia, his favorite buddy.

[u/LivingDracula]

As far as im concerned, anyone who voted to confirm a registered foreign agent as our AG committed espionage and should be impeached and convicted.

Once again, this is your reminder reddit that the reason Trump is getting a bribe plane is because he appointed a registered foreign agent by the name of Pam Bondi. This isn't a conspiracy, it's FARA documentation. She filed the paperwork b3fore becoming Trump lawyer and defended him after he solicited information from Ukraines' intelligence

[u/ConOregon]

Trump is a rapist.

[u/Duke_AllStar]

Is he trying to talk people into voting Blue…..