Trump Plans Military “Reaction Force” to Use Against Americans

[u/WingComplex6771]

https://newrepublic.com/post/199008/trump-plans-military-reaction-force-use-americans

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[u/kia75]

There was a group specifically made to counteract this, the Oathkeepers. I'm certain every single Oathkeeper, formed during Obama's presidency to "keep their oath to the constitution and ignore any illegal act by the president" are ready to counteract this, right?

[u/Best-Statistician294 → u/kia75]

All the Oathkeepers work for I.C.E. now.

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/Best-Statistician294]

And the Proud Boys.

Crazy how they suddenly vanished when ICE goons started showing up

[u/codyashi_maru → u/Backwardspellcaster]

You don’t really need the Brownshirts as much anymore once you have the actual Gestapo.

[u/AntiBoATX → u/codyashi_maru]

They don’t want the night of the long knives 2.0

[u/Hawkeye3636 → u/AntiBoATX]

It is coming

[u/77NorthCambridge → u/Backwardspellcaster]

A $50k signing bonus and $130k per year salary made them "disappear." 🫠

[u/GrumpySoth09 → u/77NorthCambridge]

They think they are getting paid. LOL

[u/PinchedOffCatTurd → u/GrumpySoth09]

They are burning through money faster than Dubya did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

[u/RustToRedemption → u/PinchedOffCatTurd]

And We The People are the targets of this totally not a war

[u/br4dless → u/GrumpySoth09]

ICE has an operating budget larger than most countries entire militaries. They’re prob gettin paid, unfortunately

[u/Specialist_Set_1666 → u/br4dless]

The ICE agent subreddit seems to mainly be them whining about how they turned out not to qualify for the $50k sign on budget, how they had to pay to fly to another state to get their polygraph, and other issues that were not as advertised. The orange swindler spares no one, but they'll just keep on licking those boots...

[u/cyanescens_burn → u/Specialist_Set_1666]

The what now?

Can you share the r/ for the one you are talking about please?

[u/Specialist_Set_1666 → u/cyanescens_burn]

r/ICE_ERO

I try to just quietly observe because I don't want them to make it private and lose the ability to see what's going on.

[u/0x7FD → u/Specialist_Set_1666]

lol the current top thread is from a guy that failed the terrorism portion of the polygraph. That tells you everything you need to know about the people that are attracted to this role.

Thanks for sharing the link.

EDIT: just wanted to clarify - I know that polygraphs are not reliable and are mostly an intimidation tactic. I am just not surprised that ICE wannabes might struggle with questions related to plotting against the US government. Especially given j6 and other insurrectionist MAGA adventures

[u/RealGianath → u/Specialist_Set_1666]

r/ICE_ERO

Makes me feel kind almost bad for how clueless and pathetic they all are trying to jump through the hoops to get hired there. But I'm sure nobody will feel sorry for them once they get hired and have a little bit of power to abuse.

[u/9_to_5_till_i_die → u/br4dless]

Most countries is an understatement.

Just 2 countries have a larger military budget than ICE itself.

1. The United States
2. China

That's right, we now spend more on ICE than Russia does on its entire military and they're actively engaged in a multi-year war.

Edit: In fairness, though they don't deserve it whatsoever, the ICE budget is over 5 years. If you break that down equally over that time, ICE is still the 15th highest funded military force in the world, just over Australia and Canada.

[u/Minimum_Virus_3837 → u/br4dless]

I would agree. Dumb and greedy as Trump is, he's been in bed with organized crime and crap like that long enough to know the value of hired muscle, and unlike all his private businesses he's spending the people's money now, not his own, so there should be less incentive to screw people over.

[u/Specialist_Set_1666 → u/Minimum_Virus_3837]

The ICE agent subreddit is full of them whining how they ened up not qualifying for the $50k bonus and how they had to pay to fly to another state to take their polygraph and such. He can't help but swindle people, it and spite make up nearly all of his personality.

[u/jdelane1 → u/Minimum_Virus_3837]

Disagree. He can't help but lie, cheat and steal. It's compulsive, and it's who he is to the core. He can't change.

If anything, the government is turning into one of his private businesses, most of which were incompetently run failures.

[u/xenobit_pendragon → u/Backwardspellcaster]

“Clark, you have to see this!  Clark?  Where did Clark go?”

[u/titsngiggles69 → u/Best-Statistician294]

<pam, when they're the same picture>

[u/dformed → u/titsngiggles69]

Shaka, when the walls fell.

[u/StarfireNebula → u/kia75]

My understanding is that the Oathkeepers were a big part of the J6 insurrectionists.

They told us that they were putting themselves on the line to protect that cattle-rancher out in Nevada (iirc) from being treated unfairly by the federal government. They tell us that this is their way of fulfilling their enlistment oath. And then they turn around and try to coup the government.

[u/Aggressive-Will-4500 → u/StarfireNebula]

The Oathkeepers were always full of shit.

[u/AntiBoATX → u/Aggressive-Will-4500]

Every dumbass online cosplaying libertarian always has been. The 4channers just co-opted the Facebook dads and the rest is history.

[u/blueblank → u/AntiBoATX]

Its all an act, a deception until they can say what they really mean, and attack those they consider lesser.

[u/2007Hokie → u/AntiBoATX]

Libertarians are just Republicans that still want to try to get laid by college girls.

[u/cdwillis → u/2007Hokie]

Libertarians are republicans that believe in legalizing weed.

[u/Nezrite → u/StarfireNebula]

Oregon, if you're referring to the Bundy fiasco.

[u/Excelius → u/Nezrite]

There have been multiple standoffs involving that family.

The 2014 incident was in Nevada, the 2016 incident in Oregon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

[u/Militantpoet → u/Excelius]

I remember when the libertarians were foaming at the mouth about this and how the government was "overreaching" or " oppressive."

[u/Nwolfe → u/kia75]

They’re now the Oafkeepers, sent out to do his bidding.

[u/Duster929 → u/Nwolfe]

Loafkeepers. They have lunch with Meal Team Six.

[u/paddy_yinzer → u/Duster929]

Gravy Seals

[u/AliciaKills → u/paddy_yinzer]

Mid-life ISIS

[u/Appropriate-Gur-6343 → u/Duster929]

101st Chairborne

[u/GalacticFartLord → u/kia75]

I think they changed their name to the PedoProtectors

[u/SmartWonderWoman → u/kia75]

<<silence ensues>>

[u/PlsSuckMyToes]

Anyone that would participates in that force is a traitor and a disgrace to their countey

[u/TimeshareMachine → u/PlsSuckMyToes]

In my neighborhood people have started spraying the addresses of (alleged) ICE agents as graffiti.

I thought "uh oh, this is a dangerous precedent; if someone were to do something with this information, how would they know for sure the address belongs to an ICE agent?"

and then I remembered "oh wait, they'd have trump flags."

[u/InfoBarf → u/TimeshareMachine]

Every trump flag belongs to someone who would be happy to join ICE.

[u/TimeshareMachine → u/InfoBarf]

yep. it's just a giant beacon saying "i'm a nazi waiting for the call to duty!"

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/TimeshareMachine]

Whoa whoa whoa, that's simply not true.

It could also mean "I like fucking kids." #notallMAGAarenazis

[u/got-trunks → u/TimeshareMachine]

They did it. They actually deployed the gravy seals.

[u/Hefty_Musician2402 → u/TimeshareMachine]

That’s essentially like the fear us minorities have. “How will anyone know that I AM a citizen and will I be targeted?” It’s up to luck.

[u/BigNapplez → u/PlsSuckMyToes]

We used to deal with these traitors more harshly in the past.

[u/Saxopwned → u/BigNapplez]

Not really, nothing bad happened to any of the Confederates, lmao.

[u/land-league-inspo → u/Saxopwned]

I mean we did one time with Benedict Arnold, and then after that treason became sexy.

I’m sure he’s cursing his poor luck for being born too early.

[u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

Before or after we find out he raped minors'?

[u/MakeADeathWish → u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

*officially found out

[u/meryl_gear → u/MakeADeathWish]

Just a minor technicality…

[u/MakeADeathWish → u/meryl_gear]

All performances for this administration are directed to be played in A minor

[u/Ok-Yam4103 → u/[deleted]]

Grand Old Predators

[u/-something_original- → u/Ok-Yam4103]

I prefer Greedy Old Pedophiles

[u/Punk_Luv → u/-something_original-]

Guild of Pedophiles, Group of Pedophiles - may they never know peace.

[u/Jabberwocky2022 → u/[deleted]]

Trump is just one of known 1400+ GOP sexual predators.

[u/TintedApostle → u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

We already know he does... we want the files.

[u/AnAcceptableUserName → u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

After, technically?

Everyone knows* Trump raped children. There's no believable reason this doddering old narcissist would go to such lengths to bury the Epstein files issue otherwise. He'd throw anyone but himself under the bus to make this go away. Guilty AF

[u/Mall_of_slime → u/AnAcceptableUserName]

He’s such a malignant narcissist that if he had the decision to bomb America in order to protect his shit name, he’ll do it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lost or willfully ignorant.

[u/DevonGr → u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

[u/pinewise → u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

Don't worry he's working on lowering the age of consent to 14 so it'll all be "legal" he diddled those kids.

[u/MimeGod → u/pinewise]

One of his known (alleged) victims was 13 at the time, and according to witnesses, told him that while he was violently raping her.

So 14 isn't enough.

[u/brokenringlands → u/Human_Cheesecake4337]

What is he even afraid of regarding his association with Epstein at this time? His cult members aren't taking the offramp. They'll defend him no matter what .

[u/ImoteKhan → u/brokenringlands]

They don’t have the manpower or the doctrine to manage an uprising in every major city. They need this ramp up to train, prepare, and eliminate the opposition in metropolitan areas one city at a time.

[u/titsngiggles69 → u/brokenringlands]

Do you remember when the coverup was supposed to be worse than the crime? Pepperidge farm rmemebers

[u/SuperTaster3 → u/brokenringlands]

As sad as it is, I don't think that's what he's scared of. He didn't just rape kids, he enabled OTHERS to rape kids. People in places of power and wealth, people he actually considers in that little head of his. They are Not happy with where this is going. He told them he could make it all quiet, and now look.

When there's talk about "people might get hurt by this", consider there are very few that these losers consider to actually be People worthy of notice. I think the main issue of the files is that they will show just how fucking widespread the rot was, touching a lot of power bases that would become toxic.

Kids don't fight back. Oligarchs do.

[u/notamermaidanymore]

This is fascism.

[u/Huwbacca → u/notamermaidanymore]

I'll never stop being fucked off at all the crooked spine pricks who responded to anyone going "this is a descent to fascism" but just equivocating or using the entirely false claim of "you're diminishing the power of the word"

At worst, theyre supporters of it, but at best they're just so weak willed and pathetic that they chose to defend it rather than experience the cognitive discomfort of knowing things are getting worse

[u/gergek]

Fuck this nazi

[u/JimmyRamone17_ → u/gergek]

Metaphorically of course, no one wants to actually touch him.

[u/throwawaylol666666 → u/JimmyRamone17_]

KKKaroline definitely wants to.

[u/JimmyRamone17_ → u/throwawaylol666666]

She's just getting closer to change his overloaded diaper.

[u/bbqsox → u/JimmyRamone17_]

Loomer has entered the chat.

[u/code_archeologist → u/gergek]

And any soldier who followed these orders. When Trump is gone and his cult falls apart the backlash is going to be swift, unforgiving, and merciless.

[u/pfannkuchen89 → u/code_archeologist]

if we ever have a dem administration again and they trot out the “we need to work together and heal as a nation” shit. That shit is why we keep getting further into this shit. There are never consequences for republicans.

[u/code_archeologist → u/pfannkuchen89]

Yeah, failure to bring Trump, his enablers, and his agents to justice will be a spark that ignites the powderkeg. Liberals want justice... But an increasing number of them want blood.

[u/zenchow → u/code_archeologist]

Needs to start now

[u/UncontrolledInfo]

If the Guard is as enthusiastic as they were in LA, I'm not sure it will have the effect Trump intends ... aside from distracting from the Epstein files. It's worked a little here. Epstein shit is the second top Trump story.

That said. He raped Katie Johnson when she was 13 and there is an archived link of the entire lawsuit if you search "katie johnson trump rape archive". I'd post the link here, but I don't think that's allowed. I keep having my comments pulled when I do that.

[u/Imeatbag → u/UncontrolledInfo]

Already videos of the Fed milling around listlessly in neighborhoods last night. They don’t know what they are doing, they are not beat cops, and the shit they have trained to do they more likely than not would be reluctant to do it against innocent civilians

[u/MiklaneTrane → u/Imeatbag]

The problem is that it only takes one jumpy idiot or MAGA sycophant to do something violent towards civilians and escalate. The public responds in defense of their rights. Then the rest of the Feds/National Guard/whoever get more anxious and reactive, and the cycle repeats until the “good cops” have sleepwalked right into becoming brownshirts. 

Trump might not be smart enough to even know he’s doing it, but that’s exactly what putting people with authority but no clear objective out on the streets will do.

[u/YouDontKnowJackCade → u/MiklaneTrane]

Before the inaugration the military wargamed trumps Presidency. Their prediction was overzealous MAGA self-appointed border guards would gun down a couple migrants and that would put the brakes on things.

[u/Eternal_Bagel → u/YouDontKnowJackCade]

I’d be genuinely surprised if that hasn’t already happened and they just blamed it on cartel violence or tossed the bodies in a ditch somewhere to pretend it never hapoened

[u/marketingguy420 → u/Imeatbag]

Already videos of the Fed milling around listlessly in neighborhoods last night. They don’t know what they are doing,

Sounds exactly like your average cop

[u/HappyLittleGreenDuck → u/marketingguy420]

Military tends to have way more training and restraint than american cops

[u/thermiteunderpants → u/UncontrolledInfo]

Here's the lawsuit in case anyone wants to read about the current US president violently raping a 13 year old girl and threatening to murder her family.

[u/SarcasticCowbell → u/thermiteunderpants]

Surprised the mods haven't taken this down yet. Some of them have been quite overzealous about banning any mention of the pedophile President's pedophilia.

[u/kstar79 → u/UncontrolledInfo]

It is going to be even more ridiculous and lazy than LA. LA actually had some protests going into their occupation, which DC did not. Also, he's "flooding" the streets with a combination of FBI desk agents, who are probably happy not to see Kash Patel and Dan Bongino in the morning right now, combined with the DC national guard, who are made up of DC residents. Unlike the CA national guard, who could be coming from red areas of the state to LA, if the DC national guard reflects the city, it's what, like 90% democrats/democratic leaning? Just don't throw a sandwich at them and nothing will happen.

[u/ertri → u/kstar79]

92% Harris voters, yeah. 

The guard might skew a little more conservative but they all still live here 

[u/Wand_Cloak_Stone → u/ertri]

I know it’s not the exact same demographic, but I remember a capitol policeman on J6 being like “it was my pleasure to beat the crap out of nazis; if it wasn’t my job I’d do it for free.”

Many of them certainly weren’t happy with Trump’s shit.

[u/sg92i → u/UncontrolledInfo]

If the Guard is as enthusiastic as they were in LA, I'm not sure it will have the effect Trump intends

There is a reason Trump's plan uses Nat Guard bases in Alabama and Arizona. The idea is to bring in rural southern MAGA types into blue urban environments so they'll not be sympathetic to the civilians. This is the same tactic China used in Tienanmen Square. To make sure the military would do anything they wanted against young student protesters, they brought in rural local military units from far away and had them be the ones doing the beating & killing.

I am surprised he went with Arizona and not a state with a worse racial record like Louisiana. Then again that risks pulling from New Orleans, while Arizona has been more of a front line of the immigration enforcement.

[u/[deleted]]

I am retired military, and they are not to be used for law enforcement, and it's ILLEGAL. I personally will not obey the military as they are the ones breaking the law, and in this respect, they will be the criminal.

[u/The_Poster_Nutbag → u/[deleted]]

Legality only matters when there are people to enforce the law. Otherwise it's simply a suggestion.

[u/another-altaccount → u/The_Poster_Nutbag]

Yup. Now whether or not something is illegal is merely a matter of who’s got the bigger gun(s).

[u/FyreHotSupa → u/another-altaccount]

Always was

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/[deleted]]

You'd think we'd have an amendment against quartering soldiers or something.

[u/littlehobbit1313 → u/[deleted]]

Yep, super illegal, so.....active Service members, we've finally reached that moment where you're going to need to make a choice on not following illegal orders.

[u/Troll_in_the_Knoll]

It seems like Trump is getting very paranoid that someone may be out to get him.

[u/cheerful_cynic → u/Troll_in_the_Knoll]

Besides his own cankles?

Clots n prayers 

The Simpsons where Lisa was president, had him eating it on Aug 20, 2025

[u/shocked-clam → u/cheerful_cynic]

📣 Two, four, six, eight! Come on, blood, coagulate!

[u/timsoconnor → u/cheerful_cynic]

There really is a Simpsons episode for everything.

[u/myooser → u/timsoconnor]

If this one comes true it will be my new favorite episode

[u/radioben → u/cheerful_cynic]

Parks and Rec accurately predicted the 2016 Cubs World Series. Fingers crossed lightning strikes twice.

[u/greyhound1211 → u/cheerful_cynic]

God I hope so. My mother's birthday is around then and it would be the greatest gift the universe could give her/us.

[u/GenghisConnieChung → u/cheerful_cynic]

Oh man that would be a sweet slightly early birthday present for me.

[u/IcyTransportation961 → u/Troll_in_the_Knoll]

No.

All the people thinking this is reactionary have not been paying attention.

There have been EOs about doing this since his first week, they've been planning to put the military on the streets since before this term.

They've just been creating reasons to justify it.

[u/IJustLoggedInToSay- → u/IcyTransportation961]

It's all laid out in Project 2025, you just need to read it in the form of euphemisms like "restoring order" and such. The EOs were written by the same people who wrote Project 2025. Trump just signed them.

^{With autopen.}

[u/Comfortable-Pause279]

Yeah... if I were a "One weekend a month, two weeks a year" national guard guy I don't think I would be super-duper thrilled to sign up for the shitty "special" companies where they're immediately talking about putting you on a 90 day rotation to go be a full-time riot goon and tear gas protestors domestically.

That doesn't sound like something that builds skills for your civilian career, and I don't think it sounds super-rad for your military career. Everyone else in the National Guard and the reserves are all off training to fight and survive in, like, actual shooting wars and shit.

[u/aravarth → u/Comfortable-Pause279]

putting you on a 90-day rotation

Don't fool yourself, they'd put you on a 28-day rotation so they wouldn't have to pay you BAH.

Or, alternatively, it's be a 12-month tour, and the admin would expect you to do it on your own dime.

[u/IrritableGourmet → u/Comfortable-Pause279]

There is something so far-fetched and so extravagant in the idea of danger to liberty from the militia, that one is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or with raillery; whether to consider it as a mere trial of skill, like the paradoxes of rhetoricians; as a disingenuous artifice to instil prejudices at any price; or as the serious offspring of political fanaticism. Where in the name of common-sense, are our fears to end if we may not trust our sons, our brothers, our neighbors, our fellow-citizens? What shadow of danger can there be from men who are daily mingling with the rest of their countrymen and who participate with them in the same feelings, sentiments, habits and interests? (Federalist 29)

I hope the Framers were right. If they use National Guard, they're going to have to deal with soldiers who spend the majority of their time as civilians.

[u/Lilswingingdick212 → u/IrritableGourmet]

This is delusional. They’re already our family and neighbors and they want to kill us for not blindly following Trump.

[u/thydarkknight]

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people," ~Commander William Adama

[u/Realistic_Volume_927]

This is the tyranny all those 2a people are waiting for.

[u/dudeimgreg → u/Realistic_Volume_927]

They were never worried about a tyrannical government, it was equality they were worried about.

[u/relevantelephant00 → u/dudeimgreg]

For these people, equality = oppression.

[u/Responsible_Meal]

Brown Shirts.

[u/rodsteel2005 → u/Responsible_Meal]

No, the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are the street fighting Brownshirt goons. ICE is the Gestapo. This “Reaction Force” is closer to the SS (Schutzstaffel).

[u/Garbage_Zone]

Where my Operation Jade Helm freedom patriots at?

[u/Tricky-Gemstone]

I hate Nazis.

[u/BoringThePerson]

Official declaration of a dictatorship and the nullification of the U.S. Consitution coming soon and there will be tanks in the streets to prevent you from protesting about it. But at least we don't have a qualified black women in the White House. Well done America.

[u/alueron → u/BoringThePerson]

The moment he nullifys the constitution I hope the US military turns on him. They swore an oath to protect the constitution, anything less is treason.

[u/LawlessLumberLord → u/alueron]

Hence getting rid of anyone but loyalists. They are doing this because they already got rid of any dissenters America has been dead for about a year now. We are just watching the corpse deteriorate at this point.

[u/cogman10 → u/LawlessLumberLord]

And beefing up ICE.  ICE will be the enforcers to keep them military and it's leaders in line.

[u/The_FriendliestGiant → u/cogman10]

There's a reason ICE now has a bigger budget than the US Marine Corps, yup.

[u/DrGonzo14 → u/The_FriendliestGiant]

I mean to be fair I’d back ten marines against 100 Snack Ops ICE agents

[u/asomebodyelse → u/LawlessLumberLord]

I mean, they can remove them from the military, but they can't take back those skills...

[u/smashinjin10 → u/alueron]

I know there are a lot of service members that are genuinely patriotic and care about the constitution. Unfortunately there are also a lot who are just 19 year olds that want to shoot someone, and shooting a brown person or blue haired liberal woman would make it that much sweeter. I fear Trump has more than enough of the latter to get the job done.

[u/TheLastLarvitar → u/smashinjin10]

True.

That being said, take a look at the military subreddit. Really soak in their opinions on the current administration. They are not happy.

[u/Critical-Snow-7000 → u/TheLastLarvitar]

It’s Reddit though

[u/code_archeologist → u/alueron]

Military morale was already low as Trump took office, and it has only declined further as he has become more and more authoritarian.

[u/alueron → u/code_archeologist]

That i can confirm

[u/code_archeologist → u/alueron]

Yeah... I have friends who retired from the service in Trump's first term because of him, that have started practicing at the range a lot more.

[u/Maxamillion-X72 → u/alueron]

He won't nullify the constitution in it's entirety. Just the parts he doesn't like. We already got a sneak preview when the Library of Congress had a "coding error" and parts went missing, like due process and the emoluments clause. The coding error was probably that it wasn't supposed to be put online until August of 2026 after he issues a EO removing those parts and Congress does nothing to stop him.

Gotta get those mass protests going so he can declare a national emergency and cancel the elections.

[u/acraswell → u/alueron]

This is why Trump replaced the generals early on, and then put Hegseth in charge.

[u/kong210 → u/BoringThePerson]

I dont see them nullifying the constitution. They dont need to and I think it is too blatant for them.

The reason that they have so much success to date is because they break the norms, rules and laws without there being adequate enforcement to counter them.

Why do they need to take the formal step of nullifying constitution, which is clearly against the constitution, when they can just continue to ignore it and not galvanise support against them.

[u/flower_mouth → u/kong210]

Yeah this is right. The Nazis never formally nullified the Weimar constitution either, they just passed new laws when necessary and ignored others when convenient. There’s really no reason to say “America is over, now we’re Trumpistan” when you can just do whatever you want and call that America.

[u/J-the-Kidder]

Huh, are we allowed to use the "fascist" word now? Or is the media still going to be complicit in the death of democracy?

[u/Tundrok337 → u/J-the-Kidder]

The 'media' is never going to save democracy.

[u/[deleted] → u/J-the-Kidder]

tub thumb nail cows bake innate attraction rainstorm steep cautious

[u/dlgsdad78 → u/JimBob-Joe]

Your acronym is good but the two words in P sorta didn’t track. Thought I’d add to it.

GOP

Gaslight Americans, Obstruct Justice, Protect Pedophiles.

[u/SurrealHallucination]

Buy guns. Buy ammo. Organize. Prepare.

[u/Flimsy_Sun4003 → u/SurrealHallucination]

Send Lawyers, Guns and Money.

Warren Zevon, 1978, great tune

[u/Thirty_Helens_Agree → u/Flimsy_Sun4003]

The shit has hit the fan.

[u/boofing_evangelist → u/Flimsy_Sun4003]

I'm off to Havana for a spot of gambling

[u/Stillill1187 → u/Flimsy_Sun4003]

Now that’s gonna be in my head all day…

[u/notableradish → u/Stillill1187]

How was I to kno-ooooh-oooow...

He was with the Russians too!

[u/sjbennett85 → u/Flimsy_Sun4003]

Great tune, I don't see too many of these in the wild... I see a Zevon reference, I upvote.

[u/WillOfTheDeep → u/Flimsy_Sun4003]

Excellent track

[u/Str0nglyW0rded → u/SurrealHallucination]

Ironic, the nightmare Republicans always said the liberals would bring manifested all by themselves..

[u/IcyTransportation961 → u/Str0nglyW0rded]

He literally said in his first term "take guns first, due process second"

And banned bump stocks

They don't care about reality

[u/Duster929 → u/SurrealHallucination]

What's the actual Rubicon here though? What is the point at which this administration officially becomes a fascist authoritarian regime? Is there a red line that we can't come back from or explain away?

As far as I'm concerned, they crossed that line a long time ago. But I still know lots of people who aren't prepared to admit that. I ask them what their line is, and they can't quite answer.

[u/QbertsRube → u/Duster929]

I think the mid-terms will be that line. I think a lot of people believe we can vote our way out of this by removing his Congressional majority in 2026 and then having a free and fair election for his replacement in 2028. It's obvious they're going to rig things in 2026 through the usual trickery like gerrymandering and last-minute voter roll purges, but will they take it a step further now that they're feeling bold? Will ICE be at blue-leaning voting locations to imply violence against "anyone who votes for communism"? Will any election where a Democrat wins be deemed illegitimate? Will we go full Russia and have a wave of Democratic candidates jailed or shoved out of windows?

I think people will remain complacent if the usual rigging occurs, but the more Trump uses violence and the power of the federal government to stifle political opposition, the greater the chance that people say Fuck It and take to the streets.

[u/wamj → u/Duster929]

Look at how many gun owners stood up when alligator Auschwitz went up and you’ll get your answer.

[u/dadkisser → u/Duster929]

They have crossed it. What no one expected was so many Americans supporting it.

[u/ScrollingInTheEnd → u/SurrealHallucination]

r/liberalgunowners and r/socialistra can help get you started on your responsible gun ownership journey. Always remember that an armed populace is harder to oppress.

[u/limbodog]

This is the literal definition of treason. Raising an army to fight against Americans.

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/limbodog]

18 U.S.C. § 2381 says, “Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or imprisoned and fined, and incapable of holding any U.S. office.”

Yep. Looks like treason to me.

[u/Emergency_Property_2]

We are coming to a point where the military brass is going to have to decide if their oath to defend the constitution is just pillow talk or if they’re will protect the country against the domestic enemy ordering them to break the law.

[u/JakeTravel27]

fascism. pure fascism. We are at the Germany in the 1930's state. Anyone still supporting traitor trump and his fellow fascist are anti american and anti democracy traitors.

[u/heckfyre]

Maybe he should just release the Epstein files

[u/[deleted]]

He must’ve raped like a ton of kids

[u/Grand-Try-3772]

Now does everyone understand why a felon can never be the president?

[u/DoctorCybil → u/Grand-Try-3772]

Don't lump all felons in with the orange antichrist. I've known plenty of felons who did something stupid and are genuinely remorseful. Some of the nicest and most caring people I've met were felons. When our "justice" system will jail mothers stealing food for their children, but let the bankers who caused the 2008 financial collapse go free, we can't just trust that the justice system actually gets things right. I live in Idaho, and possession of over 3 ounces of weed is a felony. Like yeah that's a shit load of weed but it's fucking weed. Felony weed charges shouldn't be lumped in with the Pedophile Of The United States. He's a genuinely evil person.

[u/BoredCrusader1899]

All of this because he raped kids btw

[u/the_good_time_mouse → u/BoredCrusader1899]

He's a symptom, not the disease. This was planned years ago by Yarvin & Theil, right down to starting in DC, apparently.

[u/Cattywompus-thirdeye]

And ain’t no one doing shit. Fuck these Nazi kiddie diddlers.

[u/TWVer → u/Cattywompus-thirdeye]

The ones having the majority in the House, Senate and Supreme Court enable this.

the minority parties in all those 3 bodies have no real power. You need majorities in all three bodies at once to effect change.

[u/Legal-Cry1270]

He must be dying or something, right? Rushing to dictatorship to avoid dying in prison. Trying to imitate Kim Jong and “clean up” D.C. to make it more like North Korea.

[u/xTheMaster99x → u/Legal-Cry1270]

It's because he is desperate to do anything that will get people to stop talking about how he rapes children.

Speaking of which, release the fucking Epstein files.

[u/drizzrizz]

Reaction Force is the perfect name for the conservative machine in this moment.

It’s all reaction. No new ideas. No solutions. Blaming, name-calling, whining and grandstanding.

[u/Smokeythemagickamodo]

Y’all Queda

[u/theromingnome]

It's like the child rapist is daring us to revolt.

[u/ctguy54]

Here we go.

Tump doesn’t like NYC - send in the reaction force.

Tump doesn’t like Chicago-send in the reaction forces.

Tump doesn’t like how a town hall meeting went for a loyal rubelican - send the reaction forces to that town.

[u/Conscious-Trust4547]

Where are the republicans and their “keep government out of our lives” attitude they professed for decades.

[u/xixoxixa]

20+ year army guy here, 2 tours to the sandbox, now retired from the service. Fuck everything about this and this administration, and anyone who supports it.

I said when he was elected the first time, i would see a civil war here in my lifetime, and every day that looks more and more like a reality.

[u/RedBMWZ2]

Let this sink in. Trump is planning on using the US military against it citizens. What the fuck is wrong with MAGA? If you voted for this, fuck you.

[u/Various_Patient6583]

I am a fairly conservative dude… the descent into dictatorship is accelerating and skipping the autocratic phase. 

This is deeply troubling. 

Once upon a time, I swore an oath to the Constitution, same as millions of others. What we are seeing is deeply deeply worrisome. And the speed at which it is happening is very scary. We are 7 months into a 4 year (48 months) term. How much more will there be?

When will it become normal for citizens to be disappeared for disloyal statements in pulpits, private and so on? What will we be when we awaken from the stupor? What will the cost to our national soul be?

[u/Stranger-Sun]

This is all because Trump rapes kids. He's trying to deflect attention

[u/bunkscudda]

this is the boogyman scenario that 2A activists have been screeching about for decades. Suddenly they have become less vocal on the issue.

[u/Case116]

Sure seems like he’s gearing up for a civil war. Are we?

[u/kevendo]

He is doing this because he's WEAK, not strong. Yes, it's an authoritarian action. Yes it should be resisted with every fiber of our being.

But Trump is a weak-ass chump. He's drowning in Epstein and we just have to keep up the pressure.

[u/l3gion666]

To my fellow lefty/liberals/and blech, democrats, r/liberalgunowners is a sub you should check out. Trump seems to be signaling some really not great things and all his followers are incapable of shutting up about how much they want to shoot us.

[u/Sablestein]

Soooo where are the Epstein files, little buddy?

[u/WillOfTheDeep]

I cannot wait until someone does the thing.

[u/BigMax]

Russia and Fox News really are fired up right now.

They spent the last 30 years convincing the United States that it's biggest enemy on the planet is it's own people, and they really have succeeded.

We're going to literally mobilize our troops against ourselves.

Imagine how excited Russia is? (As well as China, Iran, etc) They literally got us to hate ourselves and now fight ourselves.

[u/No-Tomatillo-7566]

Would have been handy on Jan. 6.

[u/F-Cloud]

It's amazing how quickly trust in the military is eroding. If they are used to put down protests, they will come to be hated as much as cops. If they accept that the domestic enemies they are sworn to protect us against are citizens resisting fascism, what does it make the military if not the enemy of the people? I haven't entirely lost trust in the military yet. I understand they're in a difficult position and many never thought they'd be asked to do something like this. I truly hate to see it. The absurdity of it all is breathtaking. The military will be enforcing the agenda of a senile, pedophile, fascist, draft-dodging felon who called them "suckers and losers." What a farce.

Edit: a word

[u/Dyrogitory]

At what point does our military support their oath of protecting the citizens from threats whether external or from within? The threat isn’t coming from the citizens, the president is threatening the citizens and we need the military to protect us.

[u/Particular-Dingo6489]

I see we are in the creation of the Waffen SS now. I hope all of the ICE "brown shirts" can figure out what happens to them in the future by their own leader's decision.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/13-key-moments-history-ss.html

They have already begun their version of Kristallnacht

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/20/nx-s1-5434354/trump-immigration-ice-raids-los-angeles

[u/SwimmingPirate9070]

Rise up America, before you aren't allowed to leave your house!

[u/rgvtim]

Always the plan and Hegseths primary job qualification was his willingness to go along with this.

[u/S31Ender]

Dear Military members, these are unlawful orders. Now is the time to remember who you are here to protect. Your family, your friends, your neighbors. We do not have a king. Your duty is to the citizens and the constitution. Not to Donald Trump.

Remember this when you shooting your friends and neighbors, this is an illegal act.

[u/nudistclub]

Preparing to defend against rebellion. They know something the rest of us don’t. IMO I think we’re closer to civil war than the general public knows. The Trump Administration is insulting itself, creating a fortress thinking their small police force and undereducated/overweight military will protect them. This reeks of fear.

[u/HazyDavey68]

The thing about this is, why haven't they released the Epstein files?

[u/MyCatIsAnActualNinja]

I wonder how far this goes before shit hits the fan. I'm not actually someone who thinks people aren't doing enough. There are so many factors in play that can't be reduced to a simple, "Stop letting this happen." That said, it's going to get worse and worse, and at some point, shit will hit the fan.

[u/randomnighmare]

Trump's war on America, everyone.

[u/Haunting_Weather9248]

It seems like Epstein finally broke whatever sanity he had left.

I've been waiting since the election to see the fascism openly displayed. This is it. Trump is officially taking over.

Democrats MUST win the midterms now and force Trump from office, or there will be Civil War.