r/politics • u/juansaaa California • 3d ago
Soft Paywall Judge orders Alligator Alcatraz shut down in 60 days, says no more new detainees
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article311770767.html5.9k
u/xbwtyzbchs 3d ago
This does NOT stop them from rebuilding the detention center in a different location. This was only because it was built in an environment that houses endangered species and they failed to do the proper checks when building it. They are simply going to use these 60 days to erect a new one and move everyone there.
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u/Jester-Kat-Kire 3d ago edited 2d ago
place it in full frontal view, and not in the backwoods of a Florida swamp. Let people have a clear vision of what this place is like and the people inside.
If they truly think they are doing right by the American people, that it's our biggest challenge in our nation, then place it front and center until the situation is over. If they are treating people right, then everyone can see it, clear as day.
Edit: if I am to be honest, if this is what 500 billion dollars provides, than I am so grossly disappointed in how shit the conditions are. What the fuck is that money going to if it's being spent on chainlinks and single kraft cheese sandwiches in the Florida swamplands?!
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u/_angela_lansbury_ 3d ago
Citizens of this country used to take picnics to lynchings. There’s not a small contingent of people who would view something like this with outright glee.
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u/Mirria_ Canada 3d ago
They used to send each other postcards in the "wish you were here" style with a bunch of friends in a group photo with a deceased black person hanging behind them.
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u/PauseLost2137 3d ago
that isn't the worst of racism US had to offer
people rarely talk about the ramifications of the ban on import of new slaves, but it incentivized plantation owners to essentially turn enslaved Black women's bodies into a production facility for new slaves
even nazis didn't turn humans into broodmares
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u/Tasgall Washington 3d ago
even nazis didn't turn humans into broodmares
Eh... don't give them too much credit. They didn't with prisoners because those were people they deemed inferior, but they heavily encouraged the "broodmare" aspect on "aryan" women, including giving them medals and special privileges for having more kids.
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u/Sanguinista94 2d ago
Not to give credit to the Nazis, but I wouldn’t compare the treatment of Aryan women in the Third Reich to the treatment of enslaved African women in the US (or any enslaved woman at any point in history for that matter).
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u/Cercy_Leigh Pennsylvania 3d ago
The nazi’s didn’t do that because they were trying to eradicate people, not creat more slave labor. They don’t get credit for that. Also, the confederacy was the inspiration for the nazi ideology. The confederates were actually he original nazis. What we’re seeing a resurgence of in the US is the confederacy. Most of these sick assholes are just the same lineage of people that were raised with the racism and cruelty baked in, wanting to return the US to the glorious days of their ancestors.
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u/reebokhightops 2d ago
Meanwhile, POTUS is pissed off that we portray slavery with such negativity.
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u/Garbage_Out_Of_Here 2d ago
Its worse, people took mementos from the lynched persons body and may have eaten some, particularly in the Nat Turner lynching.
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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce California 3d ago
I used to think making judicial homicide public would end judicial homicide forever in America within a week. You think all kinds of things when you're young.
What I finally came to accept is that it would simply result in a 7/24/365 Execution Channel with viewership and revenue that would make F* News look like some backwoods PEG programming.
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u/roguespectre67 California 3d ago
The problem is that making it "public" is not the same as making it compulsory viewing.
If we passed a federal law requiring that all executions be watched by every citizen, man, woman, and child, I guarantee you that every state would halt their death penalty queue. There would be massive, sustained protests if not riots in places that resisted. Forcing someone to do something against their will, especially something as psychologically damaging as being direct witness to state-sponsored homicide, will always get a bigger response than giving the public the option to do so. Sure, there are some sick fucks that would get off on it, but even most proponents of the death penalty aren't willing to put their proverbial money where their mouth is and actually be involved in the process, even as nothing more than a witness. That is to say nothing of the tens or hundreds of millions of people who are actively, adamantly opposed to the practice to begin with.
It's real easy to advocate for something like these concentration camps when you're insulated from what they are. Even putting one in the middle of Miami, open to the public, wouldn't do much to sway public opinion because there's nothing forcing people to reckon with the reality of the situation, just like there's nothing forcing holocaust deniers to travel to Europe, tour Auschwitz, and look at the piles and piles of shoes and hair and watches and whatnot, just like there is nothing forcing a Trumpist to faithfully participate in political discourse. They just don't engage with whatever would be inconvenient for their supposed convictions.
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u/Cowicidal 3d ago
There’s not a small contingent of people who would view something like this with outright glee.
Yep, they call themselves conservatives. I call them by their proper name — sadists.
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u/Southern-Democrat25 3d ago
I live 1 county over from the current concentration camp. Believe me, the majority of the red voting population would pop a stiffy if they got to drive past brown people in cages on their morning commute.
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u/mo_Doubt5805 3d ago
And that wasn't even that long ago. Depending on your age, your parents or grandparents very well could have attended one. Till was lynched in 55. There's not a small group of people who could have seen that and this monstrosity.
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u/SwissChzMcGeez 3d ago
They won't even allow Congressional elected representatives inside to see what's happening.
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u/Tutor_Worldly 3d ago
If we ever get out of this Trump presidency, we need to take a different view to how we see violence and justice in a country.
Those of us who want standard liberal democracy (free thought, speech, debate) have confused or been misled into equating peacefulness with harmlessness - they’re very different things.
I was brought up being taught that General Sherman’s (Ulysses Grant’s right hand in the Civil War) march to the sea through Atlanta went too far in destroying homes and people - I’m starting to consider he didn’t go far enough, and neither did our country as a whole during Reconstruction.
We cannot run an even halfway decent country with genuine racist psychopaths living freely amongst us.
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u/New-Anybody-6206 3d ago
I think you already know the answer
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u/Effective_Dirt2617 3d ago
I also feel that having it front and center won’t make any difference to people who still support Trump. If anything, it’ll be a human zoo to them. They’d love the idea.
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u/Firaxyiam 3d ago
This so fucking much. I'm sure there's non negligible chunk of assholes that would wet themselves at the idea of touring a facility like this to gloat at the ones detained within and their conditions.
Bonus points if they can sponsor an alligator to maybe get a bite out of an escapee
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u/Xularick 3d ago
They will probably take all the prisoners out and force march them to the next location, even if it's 200 miles away.
You would get people setting up chairs and watching them walk past.
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u/Vicstolemylunchmoney 3d ago
Unless it's one of their workers. 'Why did you take Jose? He is a good guy that's working for me? And he has a family and goes to church!'
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u/fidelcastroruz 3d ago
I think you underestimate how shitty people can be.
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u/Ok-Assumption6517 3d ago
Yeah, people were already taking selfies and buying merch with this one. They don’t care.
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u/MethamMcPhistopheles 3d ago
Let people have a clear vision of what this place is like and the people inside.
The troubling part about this is how the people that will see the prison and inmates already have preconceived notions about the people detained.
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u/Zelcron 3d ago
Jfc.
Don't get me wrong. Any win is a win. And I do count myself as an environmentalist.
But that's what got it shut down? Not the crimes against humanity?
FFS get me off this planet.
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u/Disc-Golf-Kid Florida 3d ago
The environmental impact and legality reasons were the easiest to push a lawsuit with. This is a start.
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u/Academic-Key2 3d ago
wild animals have more rights than humans in some circumstances of america haha wild!
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u/No-Bad-2260 3d ago
The way America treats domestic prisoners should be a human rights violation. Overcrowding, using them as constatutionally legal slaves, using solitary confinment as a punishment rather than a safety measure(torture), and the list could keep going on.
That's just the stuff that's part of policy. Then There's all the widely reported stuff like CO abuse, medically unsafe food, lack of sanitation and maintenance, rampant gangs, etc. All stuff that the rest of the developed world finds unacceptable. Why would they start caring with this prison?
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u/tossit97531 3d ago
The way America treats domestic prisoners should be a human rights violation
It is.
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u/Homeless-Coward-2143 3d ago
It's not that they stopped caring, it's that they deeply care in the wrong direction
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u/nottalkinboutbutter Colorado 3d ago
Fascism eventually fails because they are always incompetent. The problem is that they cause immense amounts of damage during their time of power. Fascists pretend to be really strong and organized but they are always very dumb and incompetent - so they gain power, break shit and destroy lives, but their total incompetence does eventually ruin them.
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u/vikingwif 3d ago
I am unconvinced by this sweeping generalization which essentially tells people to just sit back and wait. NO. It may have been the pattern of fascism until now, but circumstances and chances of mass survival change as society changes. We have extremely advanced technology now which makes it relatively easy to destroy all human life in a minute or two. Partnered with that is the element of giant egomaniacs in political power who do not have humanity's interest at heart. So we must- every single one of us- do what we can to slow the destruction and creep that could take us toward the full-blown end of civilization. It's on all of us to do it.
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u/nottalkinboutbutter Colorado 2d ago
I never intended to imply that fascism shouldn't be fought. Anyone saying to just try to wait it out of even advocating accelerationism is usually doing so from a really privileged position, thinking it probably won't hurt them too much, at the expense of all the marginalized people who will die first. I absolutely agree that fascism should be fought against, and it needs to be a constant effort at working on the conditions that fester and allow it to build back up.
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u/Ill_Technician3936 3d ago
Yes and no... She did something in July to stop the expansion of it and since then the amount of detainees dropped from 1400 to 400 now. Basically a tribe got it stopped and damage to the everglades did play a role. This is just the coupe de grace that'll take it out. With a pretty damn long list of people that would oppose it being there.
A new location is likely already setup somewhere outside the Everglades away from anything protected and honestly might as well just be put in regular jails.
But yeah 60 days to restore it completely. Sanitation removal and all.
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u/Cloudhiddentao 3d ago
Want to guess which country hasn’t bothered ratifying a number of human rights treaties precisely so they can do shit like this?
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u/abime_blanc 3d ago
Are they? Or are they just going to ignore the judge.
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u/EventAccomplished976 3d ago
Article says they‘re appealing the decision so likely this will go to the supreme court if needed. Apparently they‘re also already starting to build a new facility.
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u/Shadowfox898 3d ago
This doesn't even stop them from running it.
Laws only matter when they're enforced.
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u/Glassworth 3d ago
Exactly! Didn’t the big beautiful hill give the president legal rights to ignore court orders??? Why does anyone think they’ll listen in the first place?
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u/Bballer220 3d ago edited 3d ago
Here I thought it would be a human rights or due process kinda thing
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u/ShamelessCatDude 3d ago
The optimistic part of me is extremely relieved. Anything to stall this admin massacring immigrants is good in my eyes
The pessimistic part wonders what they’re going to do with people already there. I doubt they’ll be safely returned to their homes
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u/snowlion000 3d ago
Trump will appeal. He always does.
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u/myownzen 3d ago
And the appeal judge will put a stay on the order until the case can be heard and suddenly it will take many months to get his case in front of the judge. Instead of 3 days for the supreme court to take up and hear anything that will benefit him. So sick of this shit.
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u/DarkeyeMat 3d ago
This guy fascists's ^
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u/doddyoldtinyhands 3d ago
My immediate cynicism went to: “nah they’re just gonna challenge native rights as a whole up to the SC on appeal, and not only over turn this ruling, but take away native sovereignty too.
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u/dryad_fucker 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm about half native, I get mistaken as Mexican, and my white mom had seen enough shit to teach me to be afraid of exactly what's happening.
ICE will not ask if you're native or Mestizo, aka the stereotypical Mexican that the fascists imagine when thinking of illegals.
They will round us all up a la Bosque Redondo reservation.
Edit to add, upon further thoughts, a very important lesson that I hope most people reading this have already realized: The current administration is mirroring the Nazi regime's Holocaust, which mirrored the US's treatment and genocide of the indigenous people of this continent, which is part of a constant cycle of oppression and genocide going back thousands of years. However we also are in the unique position, in the age of information, to apply the brakes to the grinding wheel that we call genocide.
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u/pres465 3d ago
You... someone taught you history well. Maybe Mom. Maybe a teacher back there. Maybe yourself. But, Bosque Redondo needs more awareness. Kudos to your history teacher.
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u/dryad_fucker 3d ago edited 3d ago
That was thanks to my mom, a Navajo uncle I knew, and recently jogged into my memory by watching this excellent video
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u/OldnDepressed 3d ago
Native rights might get you Gorsuch but he and the three liberals won’t be enough
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u/EmEffArrr1003 3d ago
Maybe roberts if gorsech goes for it?
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u/Fine-Sherbert-141 3d ago edited 2d ago
Not historically, but Roberts sided with Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson today in the NIH grants case, so... fingers crossed.
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u/Hippideedoodah 3d ago
probs for his own image knowing the votes proportion
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 3d ago
Bingo. SCOTUS now has the freedom to have a rotating “good guy” so they can claim they’re not just there to do the bidding of the fascists.
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u/CrownGhoul 3d ago edited 3d ago
The Trump administration did actually roll back Biden’s 2023 executive order that granted “federally-recognized tribes” greater sovereignty, self-governance, and land stewardship back in March
It just didn’t get any air time whatsoever, which is par for the course when the United States government fucks over Indigenous people
Edit: source
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u/iruleatants 3d ago
The supreme court already ruled that there is no such thing as native rights, the government can suspend your rights at will.
Korematsu v. United States
It was fine to send Japanese American Citizens to a concentration camp just because. then there is no such thing a native right. The only thing different is that at least back then we had a world war happening, now we are just kidnapping people on the street and saying "Trust me bro, that were totz bad so we need to pay a million dollars to get them out."
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u/th3r3dp3n 3d ago
In that time you empty the prisoners, locate them somewhere else, no identification, no due process, and thry fade away because it all goes unrecorded.
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u/eeyore134 3d ago
Seriously. They went from, "We want to build a prison surrounded by alligators." to having it "built" a week later. They can move fast as hell if they want to.
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u/-GenghisJohn- 3d ago
It’s a tarp with a cyclone fence.
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u/RuairiQ 3d ago
That cost $200 million!
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u/-GenghisJohn- 3d ago
At this point, if anyone doesn’t understand that Donald Trump and his supporters are corrupt and funnel taxpayer money to their friends, I don’t think any amount of simple visual aids, charts and invoices are going to help.
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u/eeyore134 3d ago
Yup, but if they didn't want to build it that would have still taken 3 years. They fast-tracked being able to throw prisoners into the swamp.
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u/Known_Ratio5478 3d ago
It’s not really built. It’s a chain link fence around a cartel airstrip with tents inside it. Part of the problem is they didn’t build anything.
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u/im_joe Washington 3d ago
Cannon will be given the case.
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u/kingtacticool 3d ago
I saw on NPR tonight that he has 334 active court cases against him and his administration gping on right now.
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u/ShamelessCatDude 3d ago
True, but this case is actually against DeSantis. That’s a different story.
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u/Pleiadesfollower 3d ago
If we manage to wrestle the remnants of America from the nazis, there will be lawsuits and court cases working themselves out against the perpetrators of all this for decades.
Or at least until idiot voters who want immediate easy answers to complex solutions put the same fascists back into power.
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u/kingtacticool 3d ago
And unfortunately the type of catastrophic climate change we are about to face is tailor made for the fash's "only i can fix this" bullshit.
This is going to be a long uphill climb.
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u/asdjk482 3d ago
I recommend the book "Climate Leviathan" which considers that possibility, and "The Coming of the American Behemoth" for the history of US fascism.
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u/Thebraincellisorange 3d ago
that is how he has operated his entire life: weaponising the legal system.
he sues and appeals until the other party runs out of money.
and it has been successful for him for 50 years.
It shows how the wealthy use the 'justice' system to get what they want.
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u/kingtacticool 3d ago
And he just got those law firms to "donate" $500 million in fees.
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u/Oleg101 3d ago
Real life South Park episode going on now at the White House. R voters can go fuck themselves.
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u/LNMagic 3d ago
And actually not enough attorneys to handle it, plus one of their to attorneys was deemed unfit for the post. They're not winning everything.
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u/FloridaGirlNikki America 3d ago
Yep. It'll go all the way up to SCOTUS and then they'll give him carte blanche.
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u/whatproblems 3d ago
after like 2 years of delay
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u/needlestack 3d ago
No, they only delay cases that could possibly hurt him. Anything that helps him gets in the shadow docket overnight.
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u/roastbeeftacohat 3d ago
the doctrine of irreparable harm would say that the prison should stay closed until the appeal is complete; so it will be kept open.
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u/Jaded-Moose983 3d ago
I guess this is the purpose of the "cornfield clink". They will just keep opening new centers around the country taking advantage of the fact district courts can no long affect policy nationwide.
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u/LeftRichardsValley 3d ago
Yes. And these nicknames are so grotesque. I can’t believe these stupid bros …. do they think they’re funny calling our new torturer internment camps cute names? Ugh.
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u/Jaded-Moose983 3d ago
Unfortunately, I think it's just playing to the base. Crude has become socially acceptable in those circles.
I'm failing to see how we return the nation to civility after the events of the last 15 years.
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u/LumpySpaceGunter 3d ago
- They won't shut it down, they'll find a way to delay or appeal or and tie this up so that it never happens. 2. In the world they DO shut it down the majority (if not all) people will be transferred to other detention centers.
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u/AusToddles 3d ago
"We have nowhere to put these dangerous criminals so we'll put them to use on all the farms that are struggling due to Biden era policies"
I've been saying since the start that this all ends up with slave labour
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u/batmessiah 3d ago
Oh, they aren’t planning on killing them. Why do you think Trump has been trying brand slavery as “not so bad” lately? They are going to be slave camps, and they’re going to lease the workers out to the ag industry. So the same people will be working the fields, but now they won’t get paid and have absolutely no rights. They also want to do the same with the homeless.
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u/CpnStumpy Colorado 3d ago
Buddy, you realize he's just going to ignore the judge right? There's zero reason for him to do anything else
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u/ShamelessCatDude 3d ago
Well, a judge ruled it’s not supposed to be there, meaning anyone who chooses to investigate is likelier to get a warrant. If anyone has a spine
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u/drunkcowofdeath 3d ago
Fucking who? The federal law enforcement run by trump or the state law enforcement run by desnatis?
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u/counterweight7 3d ago
He who?? This isn’t a federal building. This isn’t trumps building . This is on desantis. And he doesn’t have god powers.
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u/Ill_Technician3936 3d ago
They're apparently down to ~400 people there now according to the article. With 1000 people being moved elsewhere because an earlier blow to it. It's seemingly dead but that's because of it's location.
I'm willing to bet there's another one already up where the 1000 people were transferred to just not on at a national park and probably with some distance from places that could be considered a part of the Everglades. Which is more of Florida than I would have guessed
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u/MaloneChiliService 3d ago
Half a billion dollars well spent. No waste or fraud in this administration.
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u/Environmental-Arm365 3d ago
Yeah man. It’s all performative bullshit for racist xenophobes.
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u/jonathanrdt 3d ago
And lucrative contracts for a few close friends.
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u/induslol 3d ago
Beyond lucrative that place is trailers, chainlink, tarps, and cots.
If they gave half a billion dollars for that project that has to be record setting theft from the public coffers.
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u/IThinkItsAverage 3d ago
I’ve become pretty desensitized by how deplorable MAGA is, but seeing those fucking monsters taking pictures there as if it were a tourist attraction made me want to vomit with rage.
MAGA can never be allowed to forget how fucking terrible they are, disgusting scum, lowest pieces of filth imaginable. History won’t be kind to them, but I’d really prefer the present not be kind either.
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u/Ill_Technician3936 3d ago
Sadly they'll disappear back into their small groups again once it falls.
A documentary called Nazi Town USA seems to be what MAGA is today.
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u/grr5000 3d ago
Yes it is but honestly if people didn’t speak up they would keep doing their shit. It’s protests and awareness and people not forgetting about shit that is keeping the pressure on these wastes of money. We can’t do anything now they control the money, but we can not forget these things to keep them in the public eye. Otherwise they would just become open indefinitely and be money sinkholes
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u/Rocketsponge 3d ago
It's not even half a billion from the Feds. Florida put this whole thing together with an expectation that the Feds would reimburse them. But guess which state is about to figure out that a Trump never pays his debts.
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u/cornnndoggg_ Michigan 3d ago
It really is unbelievable how low this is as an issue amongst everything else going on. This is literally fraud at a level that any other political office holder would be in prison over, and with everything else going on, it won't even get attention because he does wildly illegal shit multiple times a day. $450 million dollars to build this thing. I saw footage of it... labor, materials, transport to a remote location... maybe an extremely generous 5-10 million? It reminds me of the company that got that giant reconstruction contract after a hurricane in his first term. It was some like tiny company in Wisconsin, handed a contract for hundreds of millions of dollars. He literally laundered tax payer money away to his friends, and a fucking ton of it at that.
I still am at a loss on how the dude ran not one, but two crypto pump and dump schemes, at the same time, 4 days before inauguration, opening himself to untraceable quid-pro-quo foreign bribes... and literally nothing happened.
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u/Kabbooooooom 3d ago
How the fuck could it possibly have cost that much? It’s literally a parking lot and a handful of tents in shithole Florida.
It probably cost 50k and these corrupt shitbags pocketed the rest.
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u/shoobe01 3d ago
They opened it in like a week. So why not 72 hours to shut it down, overseen by some wholly different agency the judge deputized to do that?
60?! Days?!
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u/SocranX 3d ago
The point of this order is to minimize the damage done to the Everglades, which came in large part from how rushed the construction was. Rushing the deconstruction would defeat the point.
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u/WilliamLermer 3d ago
Apart from all the ethical, human rights, legal, etc issues, as well as the corruption on full display, I'm quite upset to see how quickly they can build something and just push through it , but imagine building homes or schools or any kind of infrastructure that would benefit society in a constructive and productive way, it wouldn't be as simple.
Just shows how quickly they can do something if they really want to, which makes it even worse when you realize they are tripping over themselves when it's about hurting people.
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u/kingtacticool 3d ago
Half a billion dollars of Florida taxpayer money well spent.....
No fed money. Ol Desantis footed the bill on the promise that he'd be paid back. lol
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u/IJourden 3d ago
Let's be real: Trump will say "no, fuck you," and carry on without consequence.
It's worked his entire life and there's no sign of it failing now.
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u/Stargazer1919 Illinois 3d ago
His name being Trump is both ironic and fitting for this very reason. He's gone his entire life being free from consequences.
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u/haruame 3d ago
Good, the site was chosen just for the sake of cruelty. Right wing lowlifes on social media are gloating about mosquitoes and alligators. Disgusting.
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u/Nwolfe 3d ago
“The deportations will continue until morale improves”
Wow, what a fucking piece of shit.
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u/MoonBatsRule America 3d ago
People like this guy deserve to be tried, sentenced, and thrown in prison.
For those not familiar, this is a play on "the beatings will continue until morale improves".
He's not even trying to hide his fascism.
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u/Doctor_YOOOU South Dakota 3d ago
We should hand them over to international justice - a new Congress should join the ICC and the deporters should be the first to see the Hague
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u/LordSiravant 3d ago
Watch as Trump thumbs his nose at said judge and openly ignores his ruling.
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u/myownzen 3d ago
If it doesnt get a stay from an appeal then he will just have the supreme court speed run it on the shadow docket and withing a week they will hear it and over rule it.
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u/LordSiravant 3d ago
Either way, Trump is all but immune to the judiciary's authority now.
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u/rustyphish 3d ago
I don't think he's immune so much as he is enabled by it
they could end this right now if they wanted to, they just dont
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u/LordSiravant 3d ago
But that's why he's immune; they've ceded control over to him because he's filled it with loyalists. He's basically doing what Palpatine did to the Galactic Republic, controlling both the Senate and the Courts and using emergency powers/executive orders to become Emperor in all but name. He's being enabled because this dictatorship is exactly what his enablers have wanted all along.
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u/Gliese_667_Cc 3d ago edited 3d ago
Or what happens?
Nothing.
I won’t hold my breath that the rule of law still exists.
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u/independent_observe 3d ago
So, billions of dollars wasted. Well, America, you elected a convicted felon rapist who is on a pedophile pimp's list of customers.
Speaking of which, where is the unredacted Epstein list?
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u/BoredCrusader1899 3d ago
Let’s just release all the people there and put Trump, his collaborators, and all his brain dead supporters instead
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u/KironD63 3d ago
It will eventually go to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court will allow the Trump administration to keep going.
However, this will bring a national spotlight in a more glaring way, which is probably beneficial for the Democrats in 2026.
Republicans are alienating so many demographics that were key to swinging Trump’s 2024 win that I’m not sure how they expect to get votes next year.
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u/mrmet69999 3d ago edited 2d ago
Believe me, they’re working on that, so they won’t need all that many votes. That’s why they are redistricting Texas in a non census year, to steal at least five seats in the house. They are presently cheating out in the open now, and I guarantee you this is just a tip of the iceberg for them.
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u/KironD63 3d ago
If I’m a Republican I’d honestly be worried that their redistricting efforts may completely backfire in a ‘blue wave’ year. If dissatisfaction with Trump hits high enough attempts to create enough narrowly conservative districts with high percentages of Democratic constituents could backfire.
To me, what’s more concerning will be Republican attempts to limit voter participation.
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u/shittyaltpornaccount 3d ago
They have gamed it out. Projections show that Republicans stand to gain more as dark money has planned this out for decades by funneling hundreds of millions of dollars into local races to ensure state legislatures are dominated by republicans who in turn pass partisan maps favoring themselves.
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u/Stargazer1919 Illinois 3d ago
If dissatisfaction with Trump hits high enough
That's a big IF.
Never forget how brainwashed and ignorant a large portion of the population is.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 3d ago
Though her order does not prohibit the state from making repairs to the site, the most striking aspect of the order is her demand that the state begin removing all generators, gas, sewage, and other waste items that have transformed the airstrip into a detention center within 60 days, rendering the site uninhabitable. Williams said she expects attrition to make the stripping of the site safe.
What's going to happen is MAGA is going to go "cool, sounds good to me" and take away all of those things. Then when 60 days is up they'll continue with the prison.
They don't give a fuck how these people are living. MAGA will just paint a narrative that this judge made the living conditions worse and their version of the internment camp was like a fun beach spa.
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u/serger989 Canada 3d ago
So, who's going to enforce this? Especially if Trump and/or the Governor refuses? Because we're at a point where they do and will refuse to obey any laws. That's just the realist in me speaking, not the pessimist or defeatist. Because it's a serious concern to be asking, who will enforce this and how can they do it if they are openly challenged?
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u/The_bruce42 3d ago
It seems like a pretty clear 8th and 4th amendment violation. But, the 2nd amendment is the only one that counts to these monsters.
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u/EnterpriseGate 3d ago
They dont care all trumps friends got paid already. They profited at least 200 million dollars.
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u/WrexyBalls 3d ago
The guy who puts people into an alligator prison wants to go to heaven. It's deranged.
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u/Homeless-Coward-2143 3d ago
So, do they:
Just move it
Remove the Florida Panther from the endangered species list
Ignore the order
Choose you're adventure!
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u/BicycleOfLife 3d ago
We need very detailed logs of everyone that went in and everyone who is coming out and what happened there.
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u/xibeno9261 3d ago
So who is going to prison if the facility is still open after 60 days? Otherwise, all of this is just a bunch of big talk.
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u/retailguy_again 3d ago
Who, exactly, expects this administration to obey a court order? So far, that hasn't been the trend.
I hope they do. A tent encampment in South Florida during hurricane season is a SPECTACULARLY bad idea.
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u/invalidpassword California 3d ago
As much as I'd like to do it now, I"m going to save my Snoopy Dance for when it actually happens. We desperately need to end this barbaric part of America's history.
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u/SwimmingTall5092 3d ago
Let me guess. They will say the judge is a liberal corrupt judge, and they will refuse the judges order and nothing will happen as a result.
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u/SoundSageWisdom 3d ago
Uh-oh you better get the cleaning crew out, there’s going to be a lot of ketchup on that wall
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u/freexanarchy 3d ago
They’ll probably request hearing after hearing and getting extension after extension.
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u/Charming-Report1669 3d ago
This ruling won't stop anything - and the judge will be getting death threats
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u/possumdal 3d ago
And who exactly is the judge going to jail for contempt when they just, keep going? And what marshals will this judge send to make that arrest?
Because if there aren't clear and serious answers to those questions, the judge may as well write his orders on toilet paper
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u/euclid0472 South Carolina 3d ago
60 days? Ffs, now. Close it now. Don't give them a fucking inch because they will take a mile.
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u/queuedUp 3d ago
I suspect that in 60 days it will not be shut down and we'll learn about detainees who have died there
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u/Itchy_Artichoke_5247 3d ago
This will be ignored and the judge will get death threats. I guarantee it!
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u/Chronocook 3d ago
Hopefully they'll be happy with the $300 million dollar grift and stop torturing those poor people.
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