r/politics • u/Effective_Salad_8381 • 18h ago
Soft Paywall JD Vance Mocked for Embarrassing WWII History Mistake
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-vance-mocked-for-embarrassing-wwii-history-mistake/1.4k
u/bytemage 18h ago
When a Republican robs a bank it's actually just a negotiation to transfer funds.
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u/Gurnsey_Halvah 17h ago
Every Republican crime is merely a negotiation with the law
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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree 16h ago
“Stealing someone else’s money makes me a smart businessman!”
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u/TheFyl 16h ago
You're awesome.i love your user name. I bet we'd be friends in real life.
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u/spatialflow 11h ago
I remember a time when cole slaw practically anchored a meal
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u/MourningRIF 18h ago
After sidestepping the implications of Ukraine having to make territorial concessions, Vance then suggested that finding “middle ground” was “how wars ultimately get settled.”
He outlined, “If you go back to World War Two, if you go back to World War One. If you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation.”
Unfortunately for Vance, the Second World War was not negotiated to an end, but came to a close with the unconditional surrender of Germany on May 7, 1945, and Japan on September 2, 1945.
He wants Ukraine to give up territory and negotiate away their ability to defend themselves. That's called surrender, not negotiation.
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u/citizenjones 18h ago
Eight days after the German in charge shot himself, in a ditch, covered in petrol.
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u/PatSajaksDick 17h ago
Man, don't give me hope
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u/citizenjones 17h ago
I don't touch the stuff.
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u/Dubyew 17h ago
Good. The withdrawals are brutal.
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u/hand_truck 17h ago
I don't know about your experience, but my hope withdrawl seems to take about four years to shake. And then I relaspse. And then another four years to shake. And then I relapse. Here's to hoping I can finally break the cycle in 2028. Ahhh, shit, there I go again...
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u/VanceKelley Washington 14h ago
The Nazis lost WW2 because the USA, USSR, and other countries combined to crush the German military.
Today, the USA and Russia are on Team Fascism and are working together to destroy democracy and the rule of law.
Is that fact sufficient to destroy any semblance of hope for the future?
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u/Tovrin Australia 11h ago
If it was up to Vance, the US wouldn't have been involved.
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u/Nerbil 17h ago
Dressed to Kill is infinitely quotable every day.
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u/citizenjones 17h ago
I get the feeling it always will be.
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u/Nerbil 15h ago
Although you left out the “on fire” part, which is very important in this scenario.
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u/That_Is_Satisfactory 17h ago
“That’s funny! Cuz he was a mass-murdering fuckhead!”
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u/Low-Advertising724 15h ago
That Hitler guy sounds like a real jerk!
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u/MattieShoes 10h ago
The more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him.
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u/Ttokk 16h ago
"Eva, lets marry!"
"And where shall our honeymoon be?"
"In a ditch covered in petrol, on fire. I've already arranged it upstairs."
"Ahh, that sounds lovely."
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u/callmedata1 17h ago
He didn't do that. He shot himself in the bunker and was then thrown in the ditch with his newlywed bride, then burned. Then they went to Russia for their honeymoon.
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u/mazarax Canada 17h ago
Yes, it could be a swift end, and desirable at this point.
Still, the The Hague tribunal would be denied. Best outcome is a trial for all the world to see.
I guess if Putler takes this route, The Hague could still process his lieutenants.
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u/Phog_of_War 17h ago
I'd love to see a trial or any consequences really. But a hamburder induced infarction will do just fine as well.
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u/GZSyphilis 17h ago
I hope it's at a rally or on live TV so they can't spin it as well.
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u/I_Love_To_Poop420 16h ago
“President Trump is handling his death better than any president before him and he looks forward to continuing to accomplish more than any president ever will. His doctors say he is in the best shape they have ever seen and will likely have the speediest recovery from death in history.” -Karoline Leavitt
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u/freckle_ 16h ago
I see you, you executive transvestite. 👁️👄👁️ (love a good Eddie Izzard call back)
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u/BaronVonStevie Louisiana 17h ago
to be fair, he arranged to be covered in petrol in a ditch after shooting himself but not before poisoning his dog to death.
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u/Mistrblank 15h ago
What kind of asshole kills their dog…?!? Surely those kind of psychos shouldn’t be in charge of anything.
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u/thatforkingbitch 13h ago
One of his generals killed his 6-7 children with cyanide while they were sleeping. They were ruthless psycho's enough to gas and incinerate people. But killing their own children is so eerie and psychotic. Words cannot describe it.
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u/Count_Backwards 10h ago
Not a general, Minister of Propaganda Goebbels and his wife did it - their 6 kids were injected with morphine so they could then put cyanide in their mouths. They didn't want their kids to grow up humiliated, in a world where daddy was one of the worst criminals Germany had ever produced.
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u/ImLikeReallySmart Pennsylvania 18h ago
That last line was my exact thought when I read this. And the surrender was by the initial aggressors. So maybe Russia should be giving up a bunch of territory.
Someone should ask him why Trump considers the US to be the winners of WWII if it was all just some negotiation.
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u/TheGoldenDog 17h ago edited 17h ago
WWI didn't end in negotiations either, it ended with surrender, the collapse of two empires, and the imposition of incredibly punitive conditions on Germany (unless, of course, you count the negotiations between the allied powers that Germany was excluded from).
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u/ExZowieAgent Texas 17h ago
And the end of WWI guaranteed WWII would happen. They were not good “negotiations”.
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u/TheGoldenDog 17h ago
Yup, would have arguably gone better for everyone in the long run if we had taken Berlin and made sure every member of the German armed forces (and citizenry) knew it had been beaten.
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u/JessieJ577 16h ago
WWI was just a list of forced demands and WWII was basically what began the Cold War. These negotiations sucked.
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u/APeacefulWarrior 15h ago
The really sad thing is that Woodrow Wilson called it. He correctly foresaw how the Treaty of Versailles (as adopted) would cause problems down the road, and argued for more lenient measures. But got overruled because Europe wanted revenge.
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u/AvengerDr 15h ago
What? Wilson was against Italy getting all their claims. One of the reasons fascism started was to avenge the so-called "Vittoria Mutilata", mutilated victory. The idea that Italy had been betrayed at the peace conference.
We will never know what could have happened, but Wilson was certainly instrumental in giving fascists ammunition for their rise to power and everything that ensued.
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u/OldBridge87 14h ago
The negotiations were not the problem. The fact that we didn't actually humiliate and conquer Germany before we made them surrender allowed them to engage in a collective mass hysteria about how they didn't actually lose and are really the greatest and most powerful nation ever and will now prove their superiority over all others...
At the time though going in and annihilating/conquering Germany when they were already beaten seemed excessive and costly to the troops.
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u/-SHAI_HULUD 14h ago
We should’ve fucking HAMMERED the American South after the Civil War ended. It would’ve done this country so much good.
Generals, governors, high ups; all should have been tried and executed upon conviction and then go after slave owners and supporters. Our country was waaaay too soft on ignorance and hate afterwards.
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u/OrdinaryFrosting1 14h ago
Only the Eastern Front ended in negotiations and all sides (Bolsheviks, Russian Provisional government etc. and Germany) were negotiating in bad faith and never planned to honor their agreements because they envisioned the collapse of the others countries and governments anyhow
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u/11Kram 14h ago
It wasn’t a surrender, it was an armistice. However the Allies treated it as a surrender and then went on to blame Germany for the war. It has long been accepted that Germany was in fact largely responsible. Also four -not two- empires collapsed: German, Russian, Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian.
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u/Mala_Practice Canada 17h ago
The (rhetorical) question now is does this come from ignorance or something more sinister?
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u/NinjaLanternShark 17h ago
What is "both" Alex?
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u/British_Rover 15h ago
Yup remember James David Hamel or James Donald or whatever he decides to call himself next went to Yale for law school and has a B.A. from Ohio State in Poli Sci.
He isn't dumb he is manipulative and he knows his audience is dumb.
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u/MfingKing 17h ago
Something more sinister. They still think they can bully Ukraine into just giving the Donbas and Russia will be friendly during the rest of Trump's term (3 years of time to rearm) and we'll live happily ever after.
This is the US administration, the fucking United States is saying this shit. I should've known after the Iraq invasion that the US is just another form of Russia.
And at this point I'm even considering whether the US and Russia are fuelling this war to keep their economies going just like the cold war era, to the detriment of everyone around them
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u/tehFiremind 12h ago
Proxy-licious.
Muddling things this time 'round are the ambitions of the far Right extemists from Israel. USA is being torn from different directions, iver-stret hing itself as usual, as it crumbles from within.
As Bernie reminds us- them ultra-wealthy though... cushy on both sides.
GL USA
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u/Xivannn 17h ago
To add, I don't know if any country ever has ceded land for a ceasefire.
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u/Alive_kiwi_7001 17h ago
South Korea is one example. SK has de facto ceded territory though it still claims the rest of Korea (with little prospect of it happening while the Kim dynasty stays in power).
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u/Xivannn 17h ago
That was for where the lines were, as far as I know, whereas Ukraine is asked to recognize land as Russian that Russia has never controlled and fall back to the new recognized line - for just a ceasefire.
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u/East_Loan7876 16h ago
I always push back when people say, "Yeah but he's smart." He isn't smart. He had a PR job in the Army which helped him get into Yale Law. At some combo of the two he mastered enough corpo-speak to spew obvious bullshit at reporters who aren't allowed to "fact-check" him.
He never took the bar, he's failed at every job he ever had other than the ones that were the direct result of Peter Thiel wanting to fuck him (Thiel's boyfriends all pretty much look like JD). I've never heard him say one thing that was the least bit thoughtful, interesting, or impressive. He's just an empty suit saying things with the right inflection of confidence while being completely dead behind the eyes.
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u/East_Loan7876 16h ago
Also when asked a direct question, he characteristically, does the most annoying thing of all time and always straw man's the fuck and of the opposing argument and then answers his own question.
I heard him do this on Ross Douthat's show (Douthat did a decent job challenging him compared to most reporters). "Vice President Vance, are we being invaded by Venezuela?" "Are there 10 million Venezuelan soldiers in uniform storming across the southern border as we speak? No. But-" And then he said some racist horseshit about how if we add up the extended family in Venezuela of every Venezuelan here now and said THEY were all invading (and why the fuck would you do this?) the number was actually concerning blah blah blah. He's such a fucking sociopathic asshole.
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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 11h ago
I always push back when people say, "Yeah but he's smart."
Same here. He's an empty-headed, shapeshifting, Manchurian Candidate who less than a decade ago compared Trump to Hitler and now works with the guy.
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u/ZoiloVersalles 12h ago
I think we should’ve learned by now that attendance at a prestigious university does not guarantee a person won’t be a moron.
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u/subhavoc42 17h ago
famously The Casablanca Conference where allies required unconditional surrender of Germany was required and The Potsdam Declaration requiring unconditional surrender of Japan right after Germany fell.
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u/Mouselope 17h ago
WW1 negotiation kind of to blame for WW2.
WW2 finished after the enemy was severely stomped into the floor.
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u/MASSochists 17h ago
Sure but the rest of the world could have rolled on Germany as soon as they started to break the conditions of the treaty.
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u/Mouselope 16h ago
Notice I said ‘kind of’ don’t have the time to type up about every geo political stance of the time. However, giving up land does not work.
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u/KinkyPaddling 17h ago
Everyone knows that Roosevelt’s speech declaring war on Japan didn’t say that, “The American people, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory.” He actually said, “In our insipid state, devoid of a moral backbone, will win through to an absolutely negotiated peace that favors the Empire of Japan.”
And the War in the Pacific famously didn’t drag on because the US demanded an unconditional surrender, and FDR’s political opponents famously didn’t exploit that in the 1944 election.
(All of that is sarcasm, for people not well versed in WW2 history)
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 15h ago
Thank you for adding the qualifying statement as it no doubt prevented me from reading a post proving half of America is dimmer than a dog eating out of a cat-box.
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u/SharpCookie232 17h ago
You could make an analogy to the Munich Agreement, in which Germany was allowed to annex parts of Czechoslovakia, but this policy encouraged Hitler, and ultimately led to the War. Maybe this was what he was thinking of, only he's either got it backwards or he's rooting for the other side. I'm not sure which.
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 15h ago
Exactly. JD is simply saying that the west successfully ended WWII through negotiations, and they did it repeatedly, over and over right up to Hitler changing his mailing address to Paris.
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u/qwaai 13h ago
Despite this being the textbook example of appeasement, Vance has argued in the past that there simply isn't a lesson to be learned from Hitler's rise to power or first steps in conquest.
He is utterly valueless and views his current role as no more than a cheerleader for the president.
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u/iamnosuperman123 17h ago
What does he honestly think happened to all those Nazis?
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u/Duster929 17h ago
These people don't know what they're doing.
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u/MourningRIF 17h ago
They are cosplaying being the leader of a country. As bad as it is, their complete incompetence is our only hope.
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u/NinjaLanternShark 17h ago
This is what happens when people think an "outsider" is better than someone who's studied and dedicated their whole career to public service.
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u/mcampo84 17h ago
Not to mention it was “negotiation” that allowed Hitler to take and hold territory he would later use to invade other parts of Europe.
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u/GrumpyGiant Maryland 15h ago
He added, “If Ukrainians are willing to say something on territory that brings the conflict to a close, we’re not going to stop them. We’re also not going to force them, because it’s not our country.”
No, you spineless, couch-humping weasel, it’s not our country. It is, however, an ally against one of our most ruthless adversaries. You know, the Voldemort-looking guy with his hand stuffed up your child-raping, treacherous, truth-allergic boss’s ass, using him like a giant, fleshy, shit-filled sock-puppet to try to pressure our ally into rolling over and giving Putin the victory he so desperately needs and which, prior to your incest-obsessed, child-trafficker pardoning, imbecilic boss’s utter betrayal of Ukraine, was becoming more and more unlikely.
So why don’t we scrub off the cheap fool’s gold paint you tried to gild that absolute turd of a statement in and tell everyone what you really meant:
“If Ukrainians want the war to end, they should surrender. The US policy on the war, under Trump’s administration, is no longer to support our former ally. Instead, our national policy is to get on our knees and go to town on Putin’s dick like a washed-up, meth-addicted prostitute and act grateful for the privilege. MAGA, woo.”
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u/Lucar_Bane 17h ago
One can argue that most of theses war started with negotiation and apaisement but war end it up.
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u/herodotus69 16h ago
However, the negotiations between the Allies had massive consequences. Eastern Europe was given to the Russians. Much as they speak of giving eastern Ukraine to Russia now. Obviously the Allies didn't negotiate with Germany or Japan but that doesn't mean they didn't negotiate. And many people lost from those deals.
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u/ImLikeReallySmart Pennsylvania 17h ago
Can we stop calling these things "mistakes" and also stop assuming they ever get "embarrassed" by them?
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u/NinjaLanternShark 17h ago
It's an embarrassing mistake whether he feels embarrassed or not.
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u/mikeholczer 14h ago
I’d say a mistake is when someone accidentally performs below their capabilities. If you don’t have the ability to do something correctly you can make a mistake, you simply are not capable.
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u/Keenalie Washington 12h ago
Seriously, it is insane that the media still pretends they're operating in good faith.
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u/Human_Cheesecake4337 18h ago
Dropping two atomic bombs was one hell of a negotiation...
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u/-jp- 17h ago
Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
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u/cosmicjunkbot Foreign 17h ago
Classic Gandhi
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u/sonic10158 Mississippi 17h ago
“You were right about one thing, the negotiations were short”
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u/Any_Cardiologist6972 17h ago
Remember when Vance compared Trump to Hitler? Now he needs to justify mistakes of his boss.
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u/nedlum Maryland 17h ago
Trump isn’t Hitler, silly. Putin is Hitler. Trump is Chamberlin.
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u/Migrant-With-MK47 17h ago
Fucking idiot.
WW2 had no concessions.
We bombed two of Japans cities with nukes. And Russia raped its way to Berlin AND Germany was split up for a few decades.
Dumb fucking idiot.
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u/Fenris_uy 16h ago
Didn't we also hang most of the leadership of Germany that survived the war?
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u/Healter-Skelter 13h ago
as I understand we didn’t do quite enough, as many government officials were kept around to run West Germany. They were the only jobless germans around who knew how to run a government and the West decided to keep them around as a bulwark against USSR
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u/agk23 16h ago
I’m all fairness, he could mean how US negotiated with Russia over German land. It’s not like Ukraine is being invited to these negotiations either
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u/Angstrom_Wither 18h ago
Even giving Vance all the credit in the world (which I will only do this once), the negotiations he's alluding to at the end of the second World War are exactly why Putin is parking tanks in Ukraine right now.
So, J(erk)D(oofus), even if we forget that America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians, the negotiations are not something to be excited about, historically.
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u/afriendincanada 17h ago
Yeah. It was negotiation on dividing up the land among the victorious allies. Not negotiations with the axis.
I don’t give him credit because I doubt he knew that.
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u/Angstrom_Wither 17h ago
I don't know, I'm sure Peter Thiel gave him a tremendous rundown on Nazi history...and a sensual back rub.
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u/afriendincanada 17h ago
In which case he’s just making up facts to support what he wants to do. Yeah that’s even worse.
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u/mishma2005 17h ago
It wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional. He’s banking on a majority of Americans not knowing or caring because the US education system is shit
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u/LetMeThinkAMinute 15h ago
Eh, this is a dumb man. He probably thought he was spitting facts.
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u/Cthulusuppe 15h ago
If the person interviewing you never says "hey, wait a second..." you can say anything to justify everything. It'll get you through to the next day and you can continue on your merry way.
You notice the media stopped counting Trump's lies? Fact checking is a faux pas now. They can and do say whatever comes to mind.
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u/Downtown_Category163 18h ago
BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain
Yeah WWII negotiation with nazis famously worked like gangbusters
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u/KnotSoSalty 17h ago
WW2 began with a negotiation where the large Western powers asked an Eastern European nation to cede much of its territory and most of its defensive infrastructure to its aggressive fascist neighbor.
6 months later Germany took the rest of now defenseless Czechoslovakia. 6 months after that WW2 officially began with the invasion of Poland, where German troops rode in captured Czech tanks.
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u/Starboard_Pete 17h ago
We’re in a post-truth society. These people can’t be shamed for either making shit up about important historical facts, or deliberately bending context. He doesn’t care. He’s in power and you’re not, that’s what matters to them. And because he’s in power, he feels justified to say/do whatever.
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u/Dry-Interaction-1246 17h ago
Boss, would you like me to apply more lube to Satan's asshole?
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u/Jackpot777 I voted 17h ago
Do you remember when Republicans tried really hard to make people believe they weren’t for appeasement like Neville Chamberlain in WW2?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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u/Larry-Man 14h ago
You’re the first person besides me that I’ve seen in this thread who even brought up appeasement
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u/Jackpot777 I voted 13h ago
The Dems really need to start tapping into their natural resource of people that used to post a shit-ton on Fark back in the day and have 10,001 screenshots and memes saved on old image hosting sites and boxed-away computers. Because if we were in their command center we’d have been pulling up links within the minute.
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u/rounder55 17h ago
People should be embarrassed that they voted for a couple of dukbasses
Unfortunately self awareness is not a strong point among many Americans
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u/wjean 15h ago
Just 30 years ago, a VPs career was derailed my misspelling potato. https://youtu.be/oYNGCNtDb-w?feature=shared
And here we are
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u/Acrobatic-Tomato-128 17h ago
Every single time this moron speaks he embarrasses himself
Its kind of insane how stupid this baby faced douchebag is
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u/gsj996 14h ago
My wife and I just had a conversation about politicians not knowing history at all. I'm not here to debate whether or not this administration are a bunch of nazis but if you really look at WWII there a lot of comparisons to Nazi Germany just saying. People need to read some history books (or listen to some history podcasts)
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u/solaramalgama 17h ago
I'm sure he actually does know, guys like that are always weird about WW2, he just wishes the Axis hadn't shit the bed.
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u/ProgressBartender 17h ago
Technically World War I was also not negotiated, Germany lost and reparations were imposed on them by the British, French and U.S. The negotiations were between the victors.
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16h ago edited 16h ago
Something that irks me about Vance is his bullshit machismo energy. He forces toughness and masculinity, but deep down is a total dork. The furrowed brows, awkward profanity, etc are all so embarassing and I don’t understand how more right wingers don’t see through it. Dude is a total dweeb.
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u/sandrakarr North Carolina 12h ago
I mean, he looks like the type that would give the "When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" speech seriously and mean it.
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u/Drewsif1980 11h ago
Is no one commenting that this is what started WWII? The German government started "reclaiming" lands, and the other governments said just give it to them, and they'll settle down.
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u/topgun966 Nevada 5h ago
Ah, at what point in the negotiations with Hitler involved him taking a cyanide pill and then blowing his head off. I must have missed that part in history class.
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u/MonkeyFlowerFace 17h ago
It's only "embarrassing" for him if people actually know history, which apparently a lot of us don't.
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u/wahinilover2 16h ago
Japan, “We won’t surrender and will fight to the last man, woman, and child.”
USA, “Here is exhibit # 1” ……….. Hiroshima
Japan, “We still won’t quit”
USA, “Here is exhibit # 2” ………….Nagasaki
Japan, “End of negotiations, We quit.”
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u/peskyghost 14h ago
He always thinks he’s talked his way into an ePiC oWn that always spectacularly backfires on him because he is a huge idiot. Books will be written
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u/slightlyused Washington 13h ago
Utter moron. His dumb squinty eyes and trying to look smart and tough... he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
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u/Blevin78 13h ago
Well this guy thinks he is above everyone. He questions others service considering he was in the rear. And he fully believes in the “agenda.” So it is not surprising he doesn’t know his “history.”
Not knowing is part of “their” agenda.
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u/BitchesGetStitches 12h ago
I guess carpet bombing Berlin and 2 nuclear bombs is kinda like a negotiation.
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u/Scottydog2 10h ago
Then he certainly would want Russia to respect the Budapest memorandum that was negotiated and signed in 1994 whereby Ukraine gave back to Russia its nuclear weapons (that the USSR kept there) in return for security assurances to respect Ukraine’s existing borders. It is this simple.
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u/CcryMeARiver Australia 10h ago
This is not a mistake - it's Hitler & Goering's deliberate "Big Lie" repolished. Trump is renowned for it.
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u/OnionPit 10h ago
Wasn’t a mistake. Just trying to get people that don’t fact check to sympathize with nazi germany.
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u/MusicFilmandGameguy 5h ago
WW2:
Germany:
Utter desolation of several German cities by constant bombing including the capital, suicide of the German leader and dissolution of the government, little boys and old men pressed into service, the rape of tons of German women as the allied armies closed in….and then an unconditional surrender.
Japan:
invasion of Okinawa with threat of invasion of the mainland by the US, Australia, AND the Soviets, loss of gasoline and oil logistics, dwindling ammunition supplies. famine wracking the countryside, constant firebombing of most major cities and two novel nuclear bombs resulting in, you guessed it—unconditional surrender and having the new Japanese constitution ghost written by the US.
Both countries hosting either a massive US military presence, or Soviet, or both, completely defanged and soft-occupied as glorified as forward airstrips/army bases for the next 50+ years….
….a negotiation does not make.
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u/HazyGuyPA 14h ago
Vance is a smart guy, he knows what he’s saying isn’t true. He’s just an asshole.
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u/amped-up-ramped-up 18h ago
I’m trying to find the quote elsewhere because the paywall won’t let me in… isn’t it standard practice to copy/paste the relevant part of paywalled shit?
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u/Faroutman1234 Washington 17h ago
Genghis Khan enters the chat. "They said they wanted to negotiate. BwhaBwhaHa".
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u/algorithmic_fetters 17h ago
It’s not an embarrassing mistake.
It’s pandering to the feeble minds that think someone like Darryl Cooper is a “historian”. These folks are willfully ignorant and will stare at you gaumlessly with slack jaws as you explain appeasement laid part of the foundation for WW2. These are not the best nor brightest, but Vance and his elite education know this. He is simply taking advantage of their disadvantaged minds.
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u/eckoelab 17h ago
Lately it just has been "JD Vance Mocked"
I am so damn embarrassed for our country
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor America 16h ago
The Treaty of Versailles led directly to WW2. Some classic writer said bad peace is worse than war.
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u/PennysWorthOfTea 16h ago
Ohio State University & Yale should both revoke his degrees after such a grotesque display of ignorance (or insidious, bad-faith attempt at misinformation).
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u/Niceguy955 16h ago
People, people! Why are you laughing at that poor couchf--ker? The history books he read has WW2 ending in a kumbaya hug, WW 1 ending in a successful land trade, slavery never happened, and the Confederacy winning the civil war.
And if those idiots stay in power, your children will be learning from these history books as well.
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