r/politics • u/Face2FaceRecs • 16h ago
‘No-holds-barred fight’: California’s governor takes off his gloves to punch back at Trump | Gavin Newsom has trolled the president mercilessly online, but he’s counting on his redistricting scheme to reclaim the House for Democrats – and boost his presidential ambitions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/24/no-holds-barred-fight-californias-governor-takes-off-his-gloves-to-punch-back-at-trump101
u/Face2FaceRecs 16h ago
“We’ve got to wake up, disabuse ourselves as Democrats,” Newsom said on a podcast last week. “I’m sick of being weak. I’m sick of being effete. I’m sick of being non-consequential. It’s not good enough to say it – it’s time to do.”
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Newsom says he’s simply holding up a mirror. “If you’ve got issues with what I’m putting out,” he told reporters last week, “you sure as hell should have concerns about what he’s putting out as president.”
The posts have gone viral – racking up millions of views, thousands of comments and driving a flood of engagement. They’ve also caught the attention of the right. Fox News hosts, Kid Rock, JD Vance and even Trump himself have all taken the bait, provoking what the governor’s staff gleefully dubbed “Maga meltdowns”.
“JESSE WATTERS KEPT CALLING ME ‘DADDY’ (VERY WEIRD, NOT INTERESTED, BUT THANK YOU!)” his office clapped back, in an 188-word tweet about Fox News’s breathless coverage of Newsom’s furious posting streak.
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The Berkley poll suggested that California voters back his gloves-off strategy with the president by a nearly two-to-one margin, with just 29% saying they’d prefer a more cooperative approach. The tougher posture lands especially well with younger voters: 71% of Californians under 30 say they approve.
In a blitz of media appearances last week, Newsom escalated his rhetoric.
“We’re fighting fire with fire,” he said on The Siren podcast. “And we’re going to punch these sons of bitches in the mouth.”
The response was telling: no Democratic moralizing, no rebuke from party leaders, no pressure on Newsom to apologize. Instead, his team promotedthe interview to his legions of new followers and supporters replied with MAGAesque AI images of the governor as a superhero.
“People are just not used to seeing this kind of rough around the edges, non-poll-tested messaging coming from Democrats,” said Olivia Julianna, a 22-year-old Democratic activist from Texas and social media influencer who interviewed Newsom for the episode. “It’s real, it’s raw, it’s authentic, and it shows that he’s a fighter.”
Democratic voters are tired of the highroad approach, it's clearly not working because there are too many brainwashed Americans.
It's long past time to give up believing people will come to their senses in supporting Trump.
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u/ShrimpieAC 13h ago
I too am in this boat. These people just won’t be happy until everyone they don’t like is dead or deported. It’s time to pull the gloves off and start throwing punches. Democrats need to stop trying to trap Republicans in these stupid little goody-two-shoes “gotcha” moments. Their base dies not care because they don’t value honesty or fairness.
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u/5510 14h ago
I think there is a good way for him to be tough while still claiming the high road.
Just do exactly what he is doing, but then also have California introduce a constitutional amendment to ban gerrymandering nationwide. Then have all the democrats go all in maximum overdrive on gerrymandering. Anytime anybody complains, just point to "we have introduced an amendment to abolish this... it only still exists because Republicans choose to keep it."
He would basically be fighting fire with fire, while still (both in optics and in reality) making it very clear who the good guys are. Then anytime anybody tries to complain, he can just say "we welcome your support for our amendment."
(Admittedly, the one complication is there there are a wide variety of specific things that could be considered "banning gerrymandering", and people could disagree on what is the best way)
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u/a8bmiles 5h ago
Seems like the idea of districts is just outdated. I think we should do a proportional representation system sort of like Britain's MPs. If a state has 10 seats and 40% vote Dem and 60% vote Rep, they get 4 and 6 seats respectively. Have some minimum percent that rounds up to 1 seat so that very first seat is easier to obtain, to allow independents in.
Obviously there would be forseeable problems and issues that would need to be addressed, but those details could be worked out.
No districts = no gerrymandering. It's not like people are really being represented by their representative the way the maps are currently drawn.
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u/SaltyPinKY 12h ago
What kind of loaded headline is this "he's counting on his redistricting scheme". Bitch this ain't a scheme....it's a reaction to an actual Republican scheme redistrict themselves into majority forever. I hate our media, most of the citizens at this point, out education system, everything.
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u/zaxluther 12h ago
This is also in the same news ecosystem that keeps talking about Trump using troops to “crack down on crime” when it is actually an unwarranted and (I assume) illegal military takeover. Like, HE IS DOING A COUP AND DISMANTLING EVERYTHING ITS NOT ABOUT CRIME
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u/Ugh02025 Virginia 15h ago edited 4h ago
I never go on Twitter/X except to read his posts. He put himself on Mt. Rushmore, calls redistricting his big beautiful maps, talks about how handsome he is, and talks about JD Vance's eyeliner not looking as nice as CA's map lines. All caps. Now I want reporters to start asking Trump why he's trying to be like Newsom.
https://xcancel.com/govpressoffice?lang=en
Newsom is not my favorite anything but I'm loving this. Why use logic with insane idiots.
Edit: Corrected the link.
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u/mouthygoddess 16h ago
Clearly, this is the kind of behavior the American public responds to favorably. About time Dems got the memo to try and win the presidency instead of Miss Congeniality.
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u/HereForTheComments57 7h ago
The problem is nobody else is jumping in. We need someone more progressive to step up and get their presidential hopes up.
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u/ReverendWeenbone 16h ago
Never been a huge fan, even though I’ve voted for him twice, but this is exactly what we need right now
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u/purposeful-hubris 15h ago
Agreed. I don’t like Newsome, his attitude or his policies. But what the Democratic Party has been doing for the last decade isn’t working.
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u/Machiavvelli3060 13h ago
I absolutely agree with your sentiment. Taking the high road results in Democrats taking second place consistently.
- We need laser-focused messaging.
- We need laser-focused communication.
- We need to be WAY more united as a party.
- We need to adopt strategies from the Republican playbook; they use sneaky tricks, but they are effective.
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u/SurroundTiny 15h ago
Do you think the ballot measure will pass?
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u/DontGetNEBigIdeas 15h ago
Yes. It has overwhelming support.
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u/Decent_Video_1465 14h ago
Last poll was 55% in favor. That’s not overwhelming at all. Need 50% to pass so it’s just about in the margin of error. They have more work to do before November.
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u/alabasterskim 12h ago
Last poll was 57% in favor with 8% undecided. That's overwhelming. And no margin of error is 5%.
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u/Decent_Video_1465 7h ago
The margin of error is typically 3-5% on regional polls. Always has been.
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u/alabasterskim 7h ago
Rarely is it above 4, I've never seen 5, they're generally 3% or lower, and the MoE for the 55% poll is 1.5%.
You're wrong. Stop it, bro.
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u/Decent_Video_1465 6h ago
This isn’t a guess, it is a statistic. The variance among nearly all regional polls is 3-5%.
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u/TeaorTisane 14h ago
Young people don’t get polled unless it’s targeted to young voters.
But they do come out for polarized issues like this one.
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u/Face2FaceRecs 16h ago
This is how I feel about him, but someone had to step off the high road as it has gone nowhere.
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u/SurroundTiny 15h ago
Well he's got an assignment in line with his abilities. TBH I am not looking forward to him being the candidate in 2028. I hope someone else emerges.
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u/Tobimacoss 14h ago
It's between Pritzker and Newsom. Both are perfectly positioned as their terms end January 2027, they're governors of two of the three largest Blue states.
And they both know how to fight.
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u/MasterofPandas1 14h ago
I’d rather Pritzker. Newsom has catered to right policies (doing stuff against trans rights, being on Steve Bannon’s show, etc.) an overall has a slimy energy. Even if he’s currently fighting and trolling trump in a brilliant way.
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u/alabasterskim 12h ago
Pritzker's served on the board of AIPAC and only back in November got off the "it's not a genocide" train. Neither of these guys is perfect, and optimally, some other candidate will be better. Between these two, Pritzker is definitely better -- and either of them will be inspiring -- but we need better (optimally, candidates that have real, nationwide economy-rebuilding policy).
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u/Disgruntled-Cacti 15h ago
Exactly. We are over a decade past hand wringing and pearl clutching about decorum. Democrats need to act shrewdly to take power away from republicans. Tit for tat is a winning strategy in game theory.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 California 12h ago
Ive already gotten direct mail propaganda saying “vote no on redistricting, protect democracy!” This week. Both mailed from red areas.
This is how scared they are of losing power. Propaganda moves fast.
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u/Due-Egg4743 16h ago edited 15h ago
I think Newsom at least is totally aware that there's a perception Dems are soft and won't fight back. There's a complete lack of left male influencers and they tend to have "soy boy" (non-masculine) stereotypes as many on the right go for more of a hyper masculine "bro" vibe. It's unfortunately working as younger men are more conservative than recent years and are following the manosphere channels and podcasts.
Is Newsom the best we have? I have no idea, though his credentials are incredible having governed the entire state of California, being the mayor of San Francisco, and being a LT governor. Really strong resume and certainly more impressive than nearly anyone who has run for president in recent years.
But there does need to be someone who can appeal to guys and maybe not go overboard on culture war issues. Granted, much of this last point is overblown by the right such as trans issues that they try to make it seem it's all liberals/Dems/whoever cares about.
There need to be some more traditionally masculine type figures out there who don't act douche-y or act insane like Hasan or Cenk. And they need to fight, not just take the high road. And of course talk a ton about the economy. People usually vote with their monetary visions in mind.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 16h ago
I’m ok with the redistricting plan, I’m hesitant to throw in with this guy when we’ve got three years and he seems interested in centrist policies.
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u/Ok-Garcia-5605 16h ago
Name one progressive who won state wide elections in swing states, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, let's also add Iowa, Ohio, Florida, Texas. You know president won't get selected from election in Vermont
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u/plightro Massachusetts 15h ago
Any point he's gaining in those places by being a centrist he's losing because his name is always going to be associated with California before anything else.
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u/Ok-Garcia-5605 15h ago
He has already done a good job of showcasing California as a better state than a lot of red states
- 4th largest economy in the world
- #1 in manufacturing
- #1 in farming
- #1 in new business starts.
- #1 for tech and VC investments
- #1 for Fortune 500 companies
- #1 public higher education system
Either you play by narrative Maga has created for you or take them head on which Newsom is doing way better than other candidates.
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u/Elegant_Plate6640 15h ago
What would he campaign on?
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u/mlkman56 12h ago
Give him the credit for what he’s doing now, because he’s for sure doing more in the moment that whatever other option you think is better, currently. Whoever you think would be a better candidate, what actions are they doing currently to show that? Gavin is the only one stepping up, or at least the only one that is able to show his work
He hasn’t even declared a campaign run yet. Who cares about his policies right now. The primary is YEARS away
People are missing the forest for the trees
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u/Cyndakill88 16h ago
He really seems to have herd the criticism after he tried his both sides podcast run. This new strategy works! Useing trump’s communication style shows strength and points out how idiotic conservative values are. Because Newsom is actually producing results without using “emergency powers”
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u/ExZowieAgent Texas 16h ago
I really hope this is the right take.
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u/Cyndakill88 16h ago
Same. I just hope people don’t complain themselves into not caring because a presidential candidate doesn’t treat them like special chatGPT baby snowflakes
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u/ParanoidTrandroid New York 14h ago edited 14h ago
because a presidential candidate doesn’t treat them like special chatGPT baby snowflakes
Is that what you call the life-saving healthcare Newsom wants to ban for adults? Is that what you call saving the lives of people with a debilitating condition?
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u/Cyndakill88 14h ago
I want Medicare for all too. But anyone thinking politicians are gonna be their “dude bros” is looking for a cam girl, girlfriend
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u/ParanoidTrandroid New York 14h ago
It seems like that's the appeal of Gavin, is that people see him as their "dude bro." When has any Democratic politician, to this extent, ever tried to be that?
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u/Cyndakill88 14h ago
You might be correct, Gavin could be the “I wanna have a TACO with that guy” that democrats have needed
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u/ParanoidTrandroid New York 14h ago
It seems you're working backwards from the conclusion "Gavin is the guy we need", and adopting wildly contradictory premises in the process
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u/Cyndakill88 11h ago
I’m working with the options available. If you wanna wait for your perfect fairy president candidate go ahead. Right now Newsom is actually doing something
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u/ParanoidTrandroid New York 9h ago edited 9h ago
I'll honestly settle for someone to the left of Ronald Reagan. That shouldn't be too much to ask. I'm certainly never voting for someone who's going to ban adults from transitioning. That's monstrous. No such law has ever existed on a national level in my 40 years alive in this country. He's going out of his way to kill young trans people when no one even asked him to.
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u/cucumberhorse 15h ago
Lol, more like he’s a shitty leader beholden to special interests, if elected he’ll do the status quo and we’d get another trump
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u/Cyndakill88 15h ago
Status quo of yesterday sounds amazing compared to the current rapid decent into pure fascism. You have to clean the wound before sowing stitches
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u/cucumberhorse 11h ago
A mediocre politician didnt stop Trump from coming back to begin with, why would it stop him again? If a democrat actually ran on free healthcare childcare economic reforms that showed they weren’t equally beholden to corporations I bet there would be a swelling of voters for them.
Just because someone performatively Trolls trump, doesnt mean they would be a good president nor bring voters to polls. People just want anyone to “stand up” to Trump and Newsom is doing that more symbolically than anything, just to posture for the election.
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u/rainbowshummingbird 15h ago
The same as Trump? Really? Do you think Newsom abuses children? Idolizes Putin? Sends troops to police US cities?
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u/cucumberhorse 11h ago
I meant long term, the inability of center right democratic politicians like Biden to acknowledge how difficult the economy is for most people and not pushing for material changes is what lead to trump being elected again. Ofcourse there were other metrics, but if the democratic politicians actually gave a fuck we wouldnt be hwre
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u/ParanoidTrandroid New York 14h ago edited 14h ago
He really seems to have herd the criticism after he tried his both sides podcast run.
He's still doing that. Just yesterday he volunteered on a right-wing podcast that trans people shouldn't be allowed to transition before 26. Just out of nowhere, without prompting, suggested a dark age far-right policy to the right of Ronald Reagan, without the right-wing shithead interviewing him even bringing it up.
This is a guy who dated a 19-year-old when he was 39. So he thinks young adults are old enough to consent to sex with a middle-aged man, but not to get life-saving healthcare.
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u/schwanzweissfoto 5h ago
Just yesterday he volunteered on a right-wing podcast that trans people shouldn't be allowed to transition before 26. Just out of nowhere, without prompting, suggested a dark age far-right policy to the right of Ronald Reagan, without the right-wing shithead interviewing him even bringing it up.
Please give me a source so I can quote it properly.
So he thinks young adults are old enough to consent to sex with a middle-aged man, but not to get life-saving healthcare.
We both know this is not about consent, but about making trans people suffer.
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u/SurroundTiny 15h ago
The cynical part of me thinks he's just trying to find the best formula to position himself in the primary.
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u/pasterhatt 9h ago
One of the few who is treating this as the existential crisis to our democracy that it is.
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u/stackens 15h ago
I feel like they're pulling their punches trying to make sure the CA redistricting only gets Dems 5 seats. They should make this effort in Texas *hurt* for Republicans, not just try to negate it. They could easily up that 5 to 7 or more if they really wanted to
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u/___YesNoOther California 13h ago
Redistricting won't touch his election chances.
However, allllllll the stuff that will happen because our redistricting will give him (and CA) attention, will.
This is a target to get the attention of the GOP to show how he's going to fight them. We need a fighter right now.
Churchill was an ass, but he was the right leader at the right time. Newsom is looking like he might be what we need to get out of this.
If he can keep this up (and one would have to be a huge narcissist to have the energy to keep this up, so it's a good chance he'll be able to), and he keeps poking the bear into a fight he knows he'll win again and again, he's got a good chance at 2028.
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u/dying_at55 9h ago
5 wont be enough… Newsom will regret not turning all districts.. still fighting with one hand behind his back…
we are in the endgame for this nation and the nazis have lots of power and mechanisms at their disposal
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u/Ok-Bunch2258 16h ago
Trump is a bully.
The Democrats are basically saying in response, "use your words. m'kay? Don't stoop to his level."
Newsom is just going, 'Fuck that!" and letting Trump have it.
It's obvious to me that the average American voter responds to that and it's a winning strategy.
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u/dough_eating_squid 15h ago edited 15h ago
It's like the popular kid who is kind of a jerk is the only one confident enough to stand up to the school's biggest bully. Everyone else was just threatening to tell the teacher, and that wasn't stopping the bullying.
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u/StreetwalkinCheetah 11h ago
I think the CA action is necessary and I'm enjoying the mockery of Trump and watching MAGA spinning circles trying to defend Trump while blowing a gasket about how untowards Newsom is. They are the party that has spent the last 30+ years throwing all decorum out the window starting with Rush Limbaugh.
But I am never voting Gavin for President in a Dem primary, and he's definitely a hold your nose guy from my currently very-blue state in a general. Like more of the empty suit stuff that has helped destroy the Democratic party over the same time period as they have grown more corporate and less worker friendly. It's a bit interesting that he has decided to push back on progressive social issues without adopting anything resembling left leaning economics or left populism.
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u/Anon3580 15h ago
His “scheme” is a counter measure to the REPUBLICAN cheating. Don’t frame it like this is all democrats doing. It’s because republicans have no shame anymore and are actively subverting democracy and this is how we keep democracy.
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u/Decent_Video_1465 14h ago
I think this will work for a little while. But eventually the established dems are going to grow tired of his Trump-like style.
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u/XeroZero0000 13h ago
There is no one stupid enough to not understand that he's mocking him, not taking any style. They all know that as Soon as Trumpism falls out of the general favor, he goes back to normal boring ass politics.
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u/CrimsonHeretic 8h ago
"Redistricting scheme"
Did the fascist-complicit media refer to the Republicans' gerrymandering this way?
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u/dwt77 5h ago
It is a necessary tactic with the present situation. But it all feels so damn hollow and vapid. What are we showing our kids? I just think this whole experiment of America is drawing to a close. Maybe it needs to honestly. The world doesn’t need a modern Roman Empire like super power. We are out of balance and crashing fast. This whole system needs to be restructured to eliminate all corporate lobbyists from being allowed to have influence. Government needs to be run by educated people who are genuinely qualified. Not cults of personality or rich fake assholes.
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u/ExtensionServe6904 2h ago
Newsom sucks and it’s blatantly obvious that he’s being pushed down our throats because the dnc wants yet another establishment democrat (controlled opposition) candidate. If they select him as their nominee they are guaranteed to lose again. It will signal to voters that the DNC either is incapable of learning their lesson or is purposely sabotaging themselves.
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u/Evil_phd 1h ago
Unless he gives an endorsement for Mamdani it will be very difficult to view anything he's doing as anything other than performative resistance that was signed off on by the billionaire ruling class.
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u/Fartenstein65 12h ago
While I appreciate what he is doing I don’t think he is the right guy for the Dems to run for president.
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u/CommercialRemote3325 16h ago
He wont win because he went to a restaurant during covid.... and dared to Have a right winger on his podcast ... that's 2 two many purity test violations. 🙄
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u/TimeToBond 16h ago
Exactly. That’s what has hurt the DEMs forever. Purity tests. GOP has no issue voting for absolute scumbag monsters. But if our candidates aren’t perfect some voters and the media will pounce.
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u/BStone1824 15h ago
This exactly and when they had a candidate as pure as possible with Bernie the powers at be dismantled his ability to be the Democrat candidate despite it. Just contradiction everywhere.
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u/CommercialRemote3325 9h ago
Well bernie is not a democrat, so there is that. Also, he has never as far as I know had a single bill passed. So he is kind of like MTG in that respect.
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u/plightro Massachusetts 15h ago
If you'd like to be a part of a party that falls in line with someone even though they're an absolute scumbag monster you could always switch sides!
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u/CommercialRemote3325 9h ago
Your take on Newsom is "an absolute scumbag monster" ...this is why dems lose.
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u/plightro Massachusetts 9h ago
Mirroring the language of the comment I was responding to, mostly.
But a Newsom nomination will definitely be "why Dems lose" so you're onto something there.
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u/TimeToBond 12h ago
When the DEMs nominate a scumbag like Trump I will switch sides. Let me know when that ever happens.
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u/BrusqueBiscuit America 14h ago
I do think there's a bit of a shift in the zeitgeist. If Trump has done the sludgiest, foulest things a human can do and is protecting other monsters, we can't really shame nun tertiary character flaws from an effective politician or fellow voters.
The world is becoming a more complicated place, and we are constantly externalizing blame. We have to communicate past our discomfort about the flaws in "others."
I'm not saying that's always being nice about it or compromising beyond our boundaries, but the people living in our reality are reachable, so we should reach out. We need to keep our reservations, but let go of our assumptions about people who kind of suck but show up at the right time to get things done.
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u/ShrimpieAC 15h ago
I don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks anymore. Gavin 2028.
Twitter has apparently started censoring the Trump trolling images because Trump is so upset. Keep getting under his skin.
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u/ExtremeModerate2024 14h ago
I was thinking Pritkzer, because he was an actual successful business man, but Gavin might be the better choice because he has the ability to troll the fuck out of idiots, which is what our nation needs more desperately than anything.
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u/ShrimpieAC 13h ago
Exactly my thought. I like Pritzker, he just doesn’t seem to have the fight down yet. I think he is an effective orator though. He just needs to find his spark.
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u/ExtremeModerate2024 13h ago
it would be good to have both in the race. pritkzer has that chicago mob strong man charisma. newsom has good looks and quick wit for charisma. who connects with key demographics is another issue.
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u/praisethefallen 14h ago
I will support his fight against Trump but oh man does he give me a gross feeling.
He strikes me as the kind of guy who’d win 2028 and then take over the fascist frame work instead of dismantling it. Lesser of two evils though, I guess.
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u/shuriken36 12h ago
I don’t think any Californian would be excited about Newsom for president. He makes a solid governor because, while he’s a corporate shill, he tends to stand up for his (non homeless) people for the most part. He’s got a lot of issues going after/not supporting the little guy and Californians just kind of accept that as the cost of having a high gdp.
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u/YakiVegas Washington 11h ago
Stop with the presidential ambitions shit! Can't we just focus on this slimy asshole doing the right thing in fighting back against Trump without making it all about a theoretical 2028 race which won't even happen at this point? The media in this country is a fucking disaster and this and this one isn't even American!
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u/baxterstate 15h ago
Here’s the problem.
Trump’s not going for a third term.
I really think it’s going to be JD Vance, who in many ways is a level headed, less likely to fall for trolling and baiting version of Trump.
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u/AngryBlackNerd 14h ago
I really think it’s going to be JD Vance, who in many ways is a level headed, less likely to fall for trolling and baiting version of Trump.
Look for the life of me I cannot understand why people gravitate towards Trump, but JD Vance has absolutely none of whatever that is.
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u/Sensitive_Welcome637 15h ago
Gavin wouldn’t be my first choice, but he will eat JD alive, and I will vote for that.
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u/ExtremeModerate2024 14h ago edited 14h ago
Thank you, California, for funding the US government.
Thank you, Ukraine, for defending freedom for the free world.
California is the 4th largest economy in the world and pays significantly more taxes than every other state, double what Texas pays, and contributes significantly more in federal funds than it receives.
Over 100,000 Ukrainians have given their lives to defend freedom. Over 400,000 have been wounded to defend freedom.
We need to give thanks to both California and Ukraine for being so great.
FDT
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u/ParanoidTrandroid New York 14h ago
There are more Republican states than Democratic ones, and analysts are already predicting Republicans will pick up more from this fight.
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 13h ago
Anyone know what Gavin will do after his two terms are over? Correct answer is leave. He will leave.
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u/Charger525 16h ago
Im not a huge fan of his all his policies but this is what Dems need right now, and I would vote for him in the primaries and general if meant reducing or eliminating MAGAs foothold in the federal government. Enough with taking the high ground. Get in the dirt and fight at their level.
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u/Ok-Garcia-5605 15h ago
I hope Newsom and his team starts working on their Midwest campaign strategy soon. The California tag will hurt him at first but he's someone who can crack it with the right strategy.
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