r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 14h ago
Ghislaine Maxwell’s testimony says a lot about our dystopia. That the US president needs a character certificate from a convicted criminal is quite befitting.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2025/8/24/ghislaine-maxwells-testimony-says-a-lot-about-our-dystopia212
u/NorthenFreeman 13h ago
Reddit, something puzzle me. Since 2016, we always had tons of comments from our MAGA fans in this subreddit. Now, they seem totally silent. Do you think they start to realize that their dear leader is a criminal and a liar? Do you think they just feel better in the Conservatives subreddits? What happened to them?
This article title is so straight to the point and hard to deny, but where are the MAGA cult dudes?
Why they stopped to praise their fraudster felon and child rapist?
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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 13h ago
The botfarms have been redirected to flood conservative spaces to try and stop the hemorrhage of true believers. They'll be back once they've circled the wagons.
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u/FluentFreddy 9h ago
I’d like to see any of these spaces, not because I lean that way politically but because I like to understand how people can have a perspective that seems - to me - totally incorrect.
I’ve found situations where I can find a flawed basis for thought, no basis for thought, and so on and it really helps if you’re conversing with someone to understand their mindset and assumptions
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u/ShanzokeyeLin 4h ago
I downloaded truth social for a bit. It was an interesting experience to say the least lol.
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u/ihateusedusernames New York 28m ago
I've been on AskTrumpSupporters for years now. It's a shell of what it was before the 2024 election. There are still many die-hard Trump flowers there, but the activity level is a lot lower and fewer cultists take up the challenege these days
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u/tracyinge 13h ago
well a lot of them have brain fog from long covid and some of them are dead.
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u/NorthenFreeman 13h ago
I pretty sure most of them are born with brain fog. You know when you come from the inbred crust belt states and get no education, you have a different perspective.
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u/come_on_seth 10h ago
Sadly many were born with the capacity to learn and be considerate citizens but they were exposed to toxicity and magic thinking. Some can come around.
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u/NorthenFreeman 10h ago
It's kinda amazing to see some in the Bible belt think Jesus was ridding dinosaurs!!! I don't know if it's sad or outrageous.
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u/Glittering_Fox_9769 9h ago
I think it's many things.
One- the need for major botting/real people buffing them up is gone. That was long ago in the "info wars". It's still a highly relevant tactic. But in this specific context, everyone who was gonna pick a side of the fence did so.
Two- linked to the previous sentence, the need to astroturf in opposing territory is not so strong anymore. It's better to use those bots to continue generating fervour among those who are already "there". They're easy marks. Everyone else will just say "stupid bot" or waste their time arguing in comment sections.
Three- the damage was already done. So now it's about control and guiding the agendas, not generating a base to exploit. It exists, it'll wane, but it's there. And considering the shitshow going on IRL, bots are hardly necessary now.
Four- surely there's been some awakenings among mods on subs like this that have also prevented the influx of "whatabout xyz" and other nonsense spouting accounts. Old news, so to speak.
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u/po23idon 10h ago
they all think this subreddit has become to woke, and left
edit: pun not intended
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u/Werftflammen 10h ago
No, it's racism. All the fale critizing on Biden was performative bullshit. Trump is actually doing what they seemed to clutch their pearls over: crickets.
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u/NorthenFreeman 9h ago
Obviously there's an history about slavery, kkk, and racism, but my question is why they stopped to storm this sub and tell us how vile the none white are? Is it because they feel the fight is over and they won?
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u/Werftflammen 12m ago
Maybe, their guy is in charge now? It's probably a resource/budget thing as these things go?
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u/clownstastegood 6h ago
They are 100% going all in on Daily Mail comments. The top comments are the most ridiculous drivel with 300 votes agreeing with their nonsense.
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u/toonstick420 8h ago
cough bidens diary mic drop its not one sided its a bird my friend think thunk better pls
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u/NorthenFreeman 7h ago
Russia or india bots farm are the best you think?
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u/Dapperrevolutionary 12h ago
They've all been banned. This isn't exactly a subreddit that welcomes free speech and opposing opinions
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u/Setsune_W 11h ago
I've lost track of the number of times I've heard about the big Conservative subreddit going "Flaired Only", and even then regularly still kicking people to the curb that go off-message.
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u/NorthenFreeman 12h ago
I'm sorry but I saw many bans on both sides. Mods have a quick trigger finger when it's time to ban trolls, on both side.
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u/renb8 13h ago
Great point. When a person - anyone - is getting a character reference from a convicted and jailed child sex trafficker and using it to prove his ‘innocence’ knowing she’s currying favour for a pardon… oh America. Your whole country needs to go to rehab.
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u/9_to_5_till_i_die 6h ago
Yeah, what lovely pocket of the world do you live in which isn't speeding headlong into conservatism?
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u/AINonsense 14h ago
That the US president needs a character certificate from a convicted criminal is quite befitting.
Not only a criminal. A sex trafficker. A woman who procured underage girls for sex.
Sex they had with nobody, apparently. Oddly. But there you go. The redhat barbells take pride in believing the most absurd and preposterous things.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 10h ago
Sex they had with nobody, apparently. Oddly.
The victims were abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
Let's learn at least the very basics of the case before accusing others of believing absurd and preposterous things.
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u/ARazorbacks Minnesota 8h ago
Yeah, the globe trotting sex trafficker who hobnobbed with wealthy, influential people from all over was only trafficking for his own pleasure. Trump was just hanging out with the sex trafficker for the jalapeno poppers.
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u/Dramatic_Original_55 10h ago
Not sure where I read this, but apparently she was found to have abused and raped some of the victims, as well.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle 7h ago
In Maxwell's recent interview with Trump's lawyer, she claimed she never saw anything inappropriate by Trump or anyone else.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 13h ago
She wants a pardon. Of course she’s not going to implicate Trump. She can’t be trusted at all.
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u/pedal-force 11h ago
Not only did she not implicate Trump, she didn't implicate anyone. Not even Epstein. So who was doing all the trafficking and raping that she and Epstein are/were in jail for? Was it just happening if its own volition? Did the girls do it to themselves? It's nonsense.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 10h ago
She did implicate Epstein
I think -- I just want to say for the record, that I do believe that Epstein did a lot of, not all, but some of what he's accused of. And I'm not here to defend him in any respect whatsoever. I don't want to, and I don't think he requires, nor deserves any type of protection or -- from me in any way, to sugarcoat what he did or didn't do. So there's that.
However, the man I met and the man he became, I believe that there is a progression, and I don't think that the man I met is the man that he became. I believe he became that man over a period of time.
Now we can discuss anything you want and I'll tell you everything I know, but I think somebody who has an interest, however you define that, in underage people is obviously someone who is unwell. But I don't think that you wake up one day and you start doing what he's accused of. I think this is something that you develop or you progress to.
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u/OkayButFoRealz 14h ago
Convicted criminal helping out a fellow convicted criminal. Bandits in cahoots who'da thunk. It's like a horribly written comedy with bad outcomes.
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u/VanceKelley Washington 12h ago
Pedophile seeking pardon from convicted criminal that Americans elevated to the presidency says that convicted criminal president is an angelic human being.
Why is Maxwell's BS being broadcast all over the media why none of the media are giving air time for the victims to tell their truth about what they experienced and witnessed? Are the victims under NDAs?
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u/DigiSmackd 12h ago
Why is Maxwell's BS being broadcast all over the media why none of the media are giving air time for the victims to tell their truth about what they experienced and witnessed? Are the victims under NDAs?
Regarding why victims may not be receiving the same amount of media attention, there are several factors at play:
Victim's Rights and Privacy: Victims of sex crimes and other traumatic events often have the right to privacy. Their names and identifying details are frequently protected in legal proceedings and by media outlets to prevent re-traumatization and ensure their safety.
Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs): While not legally enforceable to cover up criminal activity, NDAs are sometimes used in civil settlements to prevent victims from speaking about their case. However, legal experts say these agreements are often more of a "scare tactic" and can be challenged, especially if they are used to conceal a crime.
The Nature of the Testimony: Maxwell's testimony was part of an official government inquiry and was released to the public by the DOJ. This gives it a formal, "newsworthy" status that can attract significant media coverage. Victims' statements, while often powerful and central to the case, may not always be released in such a public, official manner.
Media Focus: The media may be focusing on the transcripts because they are new, official documents that are part of a larger ongoing political and legal narrative. The public statements and stories of victims have already been reported on extensively during the trial and in the years leading up to it.
Legal and Procedural Reasons: Grand jury proceedings, where victims' testimony may have been given, are typically secret. The grand juries that indicted Epstein and Maxwell reportedly did not hear direct testimony from any alleged victims, but instead from law enforcement officers. While a judge in a civil case has requested the unsealing of certain grand jury transcripts to understand the full scope of the abuse, the release of these has been opposed by Maxwell's attorneys, and the courts have denied some requests to unseal them, citing grand jury secrecy rules.
- Just what I found since it seemed like a straightforward enough question to actually find an answer too.
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u/FluentFreddy 9h ago
This is very likely the answer as to why we don’t hear from the victims. I’m studying LLMs and if you used one, I don’t mind, it conveys the info just fine. I would like to ask (if it was), then was it Anthropic Claude? That would help my analysis
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u/thistimelineisweird Pennsylvania 14h ago
When a convicted sex trafficker of minors says nice things about you, you're already lost.
The only acceptable thing a convicted sex trafficker of minors should say about you are as follows:
1) I have no idea who that is, and 2) That guy helped put me in jail.
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u/AINonsense 14h ago
That guy helped put me in jail.
Well, it looks like he’s going to help her out of jail.
Does that count?
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u/BTRCguy 14h ago
Shame that doesn't go both ways, otherwise Trump saying Epstein was a great guy would have gone a long way towards clearing Epstein's name about those scurrilous accusations!
/s
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u/NorthenFreeman 13h ago
Don't forget Trump said he wish Maxwell the best and moved her to a low security day fun camp prison.
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u/GroundbreakingCook68 13h ago
He’s a 34 time thrice impeached felon himself. It’s all just theater to me !
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u/Due-Egg4743 13h ago
A felon and perjurer lying her ass off for a pardon and Trump will say "see? Trump is always right" or some stupid bullshit and his base will fully back him. MAGA have already moved on to attacking Cracker Barrel and wanting Trump to release troops into every major blue city.
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u/QDSchro 11h ago
It’s hilarious that he can’t find a single soul that will vouch for him who isn’t a known criminal, liar, or both…..literally surrounds himself with the worst people on the planet.
People keep forgetting, “birds of a feather flock together”……he surrounded himself with thieves, swindlers/fraudsters, conmen, rapists, liars, and chomos…….think on that one…
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u/kingofshitmntt 8h ago
From release the files to -> believe the pedo who is the reason the files exist. Damn thats a tough one to swallow.
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u/BiteImmediate1806 7h ago
Always thought America's fading light was due to the politicians, not it's CITIZENS!
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u/DigiSmackd 12h ago
Yeah.
This is simple a case of an unreliable narrator.
She's a horrible human. She's been directly and indirectly involved with many, many other horrible humans who've done horrible things.
So we shouldn't really take anything she says as truth.
I think we're all open to hearing her burn down all the evil fucks she associated with.
But if we're going to believe her when she says bad things about people, how do we rationalize not believing her when she says good things?
I think the answer lies in motive and incentives. But of course - she could also legitimately start making up stories about people too - and there's plenty of incentive for that too.
It's an interesting dilemma.
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u/hdk49 12h ago
The second I found out that it was Trumps own lawyer that would be interviewing Maxwell that you just knew this was going nowhere. Time to get out the blank graphic that shows how much people believe him, you know, the chart showing the upward swing that will be the future chart he’ll be using for every negative item in his authoritarian existence
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u/kingtacticool 12h ago
I feel like im watching a plane crash in slow motion. Every time a complex system collapses people always wonder how it happened. And its never a single thing. It's a chain of fuck ups and dereliction that brings such complex things down.
When the history books are written about this the kids who read them will wonder as much as we did reading about Germany in the 30s how a nation like ours could be led by the nose to destruction
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u/toonstick420 7h ago
MAxwell is already in a half way house and about to be pardened soon as we the public lapse one second
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u/RazzmatazzSuch7459 12h ago
We’ve always thought that America’s lawyers, the DoJ, were honest and fight for us. Arguments made by them were backed by truth… Now they argue against laws using lies. They’re using freedom of speech like a serpent’s tongue. They really are evil.
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u/Glesganed 12h ago
A positive character reference from a convicted sex trafficker, isn't the flex Donald thinks it is.
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u/No_big_whoop 11h ago
Trump is the president of queefs. The only thing that comes out of his mouth is nonsense and farts
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u/Justingotgame22 11h ago
The most concerning part is in exchange for her phony testimony she was rewarded and moved to a low security and more comfortable prison. We are beyond doomed if this level of corruption is the new norm.
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u/kyreyz24 9h ago
Maxwell was rewarded for her lying. She is a sex offender who trafficked hundreds of girls and yet, my bets on a pardon. She evaded arrest and then was convicted. Trump is a despot who only has really bad characters to work or bootlick for him. Disgusting.
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u/JohnStamosAsABear 9h ago edited 7h ago
Conservatives:
Maxwell might accuse Trump: "She can't be trusted!"
Maxwell might exonerate Trump: "Suck it libz!"
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u/toonstick420 7h ago
Welp we found out he sold the girls from his spa directly contracted to epstien hes no longer a frisky guy on a plane no more doing bad things hes now the marketer and the pipeline no rhetoric plain and simple Mara lago Spa work ---- EPSTIEN underage worker
he admits this btw on video go watch it this is um not good like at all
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u/Galactic-Guardian404 4h ago
Correction; “…that the CONVICTED CRIMINAL US President needs a character certificate from a convicted criminal…”
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u/heckfyre 3h ago
Getting a character endorsement from Ghislaine Maxwell would be like getting a singing lesson from Jon Stewart.
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u/VoiceOfRealson 3h ago
If Maxwell was interviewed about the people on Epsteins "list", why did she only talk about Trump?
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u/TackyPoints 23m ago
Not a reasonable and informed person on the planet thinks Trump isn’t a kid diddler.
Nobody the planet after meeting him for five minutes would leave any child in his care. NOT ONE MOTHER ON THE PLANET.
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u/TackyPoints 20m ago
NOT ONE DECENT PARENT ON THE PLANET Would ever leave their child under the care of such a person. Your president. FFS.
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u/RoundTableMaker 9h ago
Yawn, if she said something horrible about him dems would be up in arms. If she says something nice dems are up in arms. Sometimes it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks.
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