Truth. Though there's also the aspect of policies that exclude them. Was listening to a story a while ago about the difference between income and wealth and how a lot of policies that came out after desegregation benefited those with wealth (i.e. property ownership, investments) which is kind of a backhanded way of targeting blacks.
Interesting take. We actually don't use black people to fuel our massive prison industry, pump up our militarized police state, and exploit their labor for the benefit of the rich. TIL.
Good luck doing that when the republicans have a supermajority in both houses of their State Legislature, a Republican Governor, and Republican judges.
They'll work hard to reject any federal ideas that come from Democrats and to ensure Democrats don't win any more federal seats.
I still think its funny how despite how often the minority vote turns out for Democrats - some blocs of the party continue to discredit minority voters if they favor the more practical candidate. Some of the stuff that was here on reddit when African American and Hispanic voters massively supported Clinton over Sanders was absolutely disgusting
Yes, reddit as a whole (it is silly to speak of something like this as a huge single organism... but then it is even more silly to talk about "the black vote" right?) has some pretty huge issues with racism. The flawed belief that racism is an old people's problem is a fun one to discredit when I talk with my elders at reunions and stuff.
Some of the stuff that was here on reddit when African American and Hispanic voters massively supported Clinton over Sanders was absolutely disgusting.
You need to go nowhere near that far if you want to see the "hive mind's" issues with race. Reddit is a pretty toxic place in a number of ways if you're not a young(ish?) white male, still, I appreciate it for what it is. With regard to "the more practical candidate" I couldn't disagree more, despite the Clinton camp's propaganda there were plenty of us young minorities who didn't then (and don't now) support her. It did suck seeing some shitbird Sanders supporters harp on minorities, but for me it didn't suck any more than a sea of other reddit is racist moments.
Side-note the biggest determinant of supporting Sanders over Clinton was then and is now age rather than race.
I guess this is my response as well. There are very big fish to fry for ALL races on the Democratic plate right now.
There also needs to be increased work done by law enforcement and community organizers to stop racial violence, especially by police. But, at the same time, that's a MASSIVE undertaking that I don't think anyone has really mapped out. People have been studying how to reform the healthcare system for decades, with countless proposals and plans that have been drafted, debated and tested and we STILL are struggling to find a system that works.
Has anyone drafted policy plans that eliminate racism or return balance to a group of people who are systemically disenfranchised? I'm not saying they don't exist... but I certainly haven't seen them. Does anyone have a draft of a "Fixing America to be Fair to Black People" act that we could review and vote on?
Raising the minimum wage increases the GDP and consumer power of the lowest paid and also gives incentive to not stay on government assistance programs by paying a wage that doesn't put them further behind than not working at all. So raising the minimum wage hurts no one.
Opposing school choice is a joke. Voucher programs are a program to defund public schools in support of private ones, often in affluent, white areas of the country. Taking money from neighborhood schools to pay for private ones hurts everyone again, particularly poor communities that don't have access to transportation that can take them to the (rich) areas of town where the private charter schools exist.
I think you may be getting confused on which race would be benefiting, my friend.
I think you need to do a little more research on these subjects. The voucher system does not transfer funding from public schools to private schools unless a student decides to transfer.
When a student transfers from a public school, the size of their "voucher" is essentially the cost of the public schooling for a single student. So public school's funding per student is hardly effected as more students transfer out.
So yes, the total funding of public schools would decrease, but the cost of operation for public schools would decrease proportionally also.
As far as minimum wage goes, there are numerous studies that support both of our viewpoints, so I certainly understand your stance. But saying that raising the minimum wage hurts no one is statistically incorrect. It is a complex issue that affects a lot of people, both negatively and positively.
Yes, the public school only loses the value of the per student amount they would receive... but the vast majority of their costs remain the same. The school building doesn't get cheaper, the cost to keep their facilities running doesn't get smaller, the overhead of administrative staff doesn't shrink... the bills of the school don't get smaller with one (or ten or one hundred) gone, except possibly reducing teacher staffing if larger numbers of students leave. They can't magically shrink their building (or the payment of it) if they lose students to private schools.
And I agree - no one was perhaps the wrong phrase to use. But it certainly doesn't hurt African Americans, especially Alabamian African Americans. It would do them a world of good, on the whole as a demographic.
Your fist point isn't entirely wrong, in that it is not a 1:1 ratio between number of students, but it is a lot closer than you think.
Most fixed costs you mentioned for public schools are not included in their own budget, but taken directly from the state budget. For example, nearly all public schools are in state owned buildings, so there is no direct cost to the school, and no property taxes that they have to deal with.
It really comes down to if you think that providing the opportunities for lower income students to go to better schools is worth the strain it will put on the public school system as a whole.
As to your last point about the minimum wage; I don't think it would be as much of a slam dunk for the African American community as you think. There are surely tons of black people in Alabama working minimum wage. If it were increased, a good portion of them will see their income increase, naturally. But a lot of them will also lose their income as the workforce is reduced. But that brings us back to the same point: it really is a mixed bag and there is no undeniably correct answer
You're of the opinion that raising the minimum wage hurts the black community? And what policy are you referring to with "opposing school choice?" Not only have I ever heard of an idea that absurd, I don't know of any democrat voter that would support it nor am I familiar with any major democratic policy that does either. I'm happy to hear the details if you'll provide them, however.
Here is a summary of school choice. The democrats vehemently oppose this policy. A lot of that might be due to the fact that DeVos supports it, but it has been their policy for quite some time.
And this article discusses the minimum wage increase in Seattle and the negative effect it has had on low-wage workers (which is disproportionally comprised of African Americans).
I made sure to pick a left wing news source to show that the negative effects of minimum wage increases on the lower class is beginning to be acknowledged by both sides of the aisle. This is not just my opinion.
Source on democrats opposing this and DeVos supporting it?
Also, the fact that you're saying WP is leftist makes me highly suspicious.
Also, raising the minimum wage absolutely benefits the economy, notwithstanding the people who are forced to pay it. Anyone can google and find countless studies that don't "cast doubt" on the obvious advantages it has been proven to have throughout history.
And the fact that you view WaPo as a neutral source is even more suspicious... that is pretty much universally acknowledged at this point. There is a very short list of sources considered to be "neutral" at this day in age.
Ok, so I have sourced and supported every point I have made. Maybe you could do the same?
You're defending the idea that democrats are the party that's causing black community strife... that's so far beyond shill-like it's hard to wrap my head around ESPECIALLY after you've just insisted WP is leftist. Literally every right-shill tries to discredit news that is actually legitimate. And the overall implication that the democratic party is on the wrong side of the fence with the black community is so utterly ridiculous that you'll have to forgive me if I'm asking you to actually provide some context. Which, by the way, you haven't despite your claim; I asked for proof that democrats are against the policy you were originally describing.
Now I haven't dug into the depths of this education policy, but I will if we're actually going to have a serious conversation here and you're willing to describe it. So let's take a moment to address the liberal side of this conversation.
Republicans are literally being complicit with a president that is advocating the KKK, neo-nazis, bigotry, every anti-minority out there really... That alone should be making anyone vomit, but this apparently is standard practice in the GOP. Meanwhile, the protestors to all of those things are... get this... democrats. Because they have been vocally advocating against all this nonsense, desperate to get our society on the right track.
And now education. DeVos, a republican (and republican appointee) that has no experience as a teacher but who is a billionaire that has contributed greatly to the republican party. The republican party has successfully diminished educational salaries, diminished the unions that could do anything about it, made it harder to get loans, and overall just really seem to make educator's lives worse. Which is no surprise, really, because higher education correlates with voting liberal and the GOP can't have that, can they.
Now remember, the burden of proof is on you. Your making a claim that is so completely oppositional to standard reasoning that you're going to have to pull out some serious effort to convince anyone. I'll listen, but you'd better start explaining yourself thoroughly. Help me understand, in your perspective, why this educational topic matters to the black community, how it affects the black community, and why republicans support the right choice here.
Lol. There it is. The moment you have to talk specifics rather than post a link without providing any substance as to how it relates to your argument, you realize you can't actually participate in a debate.
Don't worry, it happens to literally every republican. Usually they take the approach of "I have better things to do," or "why would I waste time arguing with a liberal," but your approach is the third most common.
A lot of that might be due to the fact that DeVos supports it, but it has been their policy for quite some time.
In one sentence you suggest it's a kneejerk reaction to DeVos. In the very next sentence you say it's been Democratic policy for "quite some time."
You can't even keep your incorrect cheapshots consistent. Congratulations on being completely ideologically bankrupt.
As for why Democrats have been against school choice? Because that's not what you're really after. "School choice" is a codeword for tearing down public schools. Always has been. The Right likes to play this word game and it tends to work on the dumber elements of the American public, hence the Republican floor of 45% vote nationally no matter how idiotic their policies. "Forced busing" is another great one. How about Paul Ryan's "keep more of your own money" as a justification for tax cuts, conveniently leaving out the fact that those tax cuts largely go to the top 1% and gets rid of the subsidies for the middle class and would leave them far worse off?
I made sure to pick a left wing news source
You know that WaPo accepts opinion pieces from across the spectrum and that it merely being in the WaPo does not make 100% of all submissions a "left" opinion, right? And calling WaPo a "left wing news source" just shows was a moron you are.
And how thoroughly did you read the piece you linked anyway? I'm guessing you just glossed over it and missed the parts that said this.
There could be another explanation for the results, however: the fact that large employers are not included.
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The paper's conclusions contradict years of research on the minimum wage.
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Their results from the University of California accorded with past research.The minimum wage increased wages for workers in the restaurant industry, without reducing employment overall -- in contrast to the findings from the University of Washington.
The other "half" is not even close to being accurate.
Democrats don't support policies that benefit Democrats. Just look at a map of federal support spending versus how much is actually gained in federal taxes - red states consume far more federal dollars than they pay in taxes for programs like SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. Blue states pay in far more than they consume.
The reasons why are that red states are usually more rural and have poor economic strength indicators (poor education, bad health, small middle class numbers) while blue states are usually more urbanized and have strong economic strength indicators (high education scores + funding, more health conscious, more affluent + larger middle class).
This is because blue state/Democratic policies are focused on being equitable and fair, that helping out the poorest individuals winds up making for more growth, more investment and more opportunity, while continuously giving advantages and taxes to the rich creates little opportunity outside of "big boom" investments like building a factory or opening a new office complex... which is very susceptible to being outsourced years later and leaving the economy wrecked instead of self-sustaining.
Oh shut the fuck up. Please find me one time trump said something racist.
Roy Moore is a pedo, I'll give you that, but feminists are calling for full term abortions. Like, 40 week abortions. Please youtube some videos. That's not right considering these dumbasses can take a morning after pill but they're too stupid.
How did this "40 week abortions" meme become a thing? There's never been such a thing as people a day from giving birth deciding "I'd rather abort now, let's do that instead."
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Now it's time to enact policy that actually benefits them!