r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

They have been all throughout American history tbh

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 16 '17

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u/kenyafeelme Dec 13 '17

Didn’t expect to see you here in the wild

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u/cuddle-tits Dec 13 '17

They got us to the moon.

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

My eight-year-old son, who is very white, is obsessed with everything about space. He knows all the astronauts, where the Mars rover is now, how many moons Jupiter has, etc. He is also obsessed with black women in NASA. He did his first biography report in school on Mae Jemison, the first black woman in space. He wanted a lego set that came out recently, "women of NASA", and he was annoyed that none of the women from Hidden Figures were in it. The point is, that anyone who is a fan of space exploration will quickly realize that black women have played a huge part... even my eight-year-old sees the trend.

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u/Galihadtdt Dec 13 '17

Reading that, even I'm proud of your son and I don't even know him

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17

I'm proud of him too. What's even more impressive to me is that my wife and I don't know hardly anything about space and have never been interested in it. He picked it up all on his own.

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u/Astrosherpa Dec 13 '17

That's amazing and makes me so happy to read. If you ever decide to purchase a telescope for him, shoot me a message or go checkout r/Telescopes to be sure you get him the right one. We need more people like him.

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17

We got him a telescope for Christmas last year, but I feel so bad because we hardly use it. We live in a small apartment in Manhattan so it takes a fair amount of effort to get out side and set it up. Not to mention all the light pollution.

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u/twisted_memories Canada Dec 13 '17

Are there any sites streaming any of the big telescopes? Might be worth looking into?

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u/SuddenlyTheBatman Dec 13 '17

Yeah, my parents didn't know shit about dinosaurs but I could tell you so many of those complicated names. I was deadset on becoming a Paleontologist too.

Then they took me to the Kennedy Space Center and now I'm an engineer. Point is, keep taking your son to cool science shit even if you don't understand it. It's so, so valuable.

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

We do! We live in NYC so there is a lot to do right at our doorstep. We went down to DC last year to go to both air and space museums. Also, last summer we told my son for his birthday we were going to drive all the way to Florida to go to the Kennedy Space Center and then we surprised them by also going to Disney World for a week after that. The whole two days in the car he and his sister thought we were going to KSC and then just turning around and driving home, and they were totally cool with it.

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u/bhaller I voted Dec 13 '17

Next up, Hunstville!

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u/Ricochet888 America Dec 13 '17

Kids are just like that. I've loved space ever since seeing a space shuttle take off as a kid, something just sets off their curious little brains to want to know as much as they can about something.

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u/veggiesama Dec 13 '17

... I need to see that movie. And your son is adorable.

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u/barryloukaitis Dec 13 '17

It's on HBO go (I think that's what it's called) if you have that. It's really good.

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u/vera214usc Washington Dec 13 '17

When I was a kid we had a biography of Mae C Jemison! I also had a trivia question last week about that Lego set. I'm black, so most of our books at home were about black historical figures, but I'm glad your son appreciates the contribution black women have made to NASA!

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u/monsterlynn Michigan Dec 13 '17

An incalculable contribution - - for the rest of us math dummies anyway. ;)

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u/BossRedRanger America Dec 13 '17

I genuinely got misty eyed after reading that.

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u/jonlucc Dec 13 '17

Were you able to get your hands on a Women of NASA set?

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17

Yeah. My wife had that locked down as soon as she could preorder it. I know it's become hard to find, which is a shame since it's an excellent educational set.

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u/jonlucc Dec 13 '17

It really is! Good job being on the ball.

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u/tcoder Dec 13 '17

In case your son was wondering why she isn't in the Lego set, she refused to be in it. Lego asked her permission to make her a minifigure since she was in the original design for the set, but she refused their request. I wish she was included since it would raise awareness and maybe inspire other girls towards STEM, but thankfully we have the other 3 minifigures in the set! When he is older, get him the Saturn V set! It is magnificent!

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17

His grandparents are getting him the Saturn V for Christmas!

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u/MattHoppe1 Dec 13 '17

That's really awesome! If he's into aviation in general I'd highly recommend the Tuskegee Airmen from World War Two- some of the most decorated American fighter/bomber crew from the war

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u/norobo132 Dec 13 '17

Your son gives me hope for this world. Good on y’all for raising what appears to be one kick ass kid!!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

This is some bullshit...

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u/Kraz_I Dec 13 '17

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Johnson

Katherine Johnson, a black woman who worked for NASA starting in the 50s was the person who calculated the trajectory of Apollo 11 for the 1969 moon mission, in addition to many other early space missions.

In the 1950s, NASA had an entire department of black female computers.

Nobody's bullshitting you.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

I didn't say she didn't exist, I said "They got is to the moon" was bullshit, which it was.

Without any hyperbole at all, Nazi's had more to do with Americans getting to the moon than Black women did.

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u/jonsconspiracy New York Dec 13 '17

Oh, be quiet.

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u/CirqueDuFuder Dec 14 '17

Don't like hearing facts?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

No. Veritas curat.

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u/TheGameJerk Dec 14 '17

It's that episode where a Redditor saw a hollywood movie and stupidly assumed it was accurate

Oh I love this one. It's hilarious.

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u/eisvos Dec 13 '17

Katherine Johnson

Lol what is she, 1/4 African? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Katherine_Johnson_1985.jpg

Was her small amount of African genetics critical in getting us towards the moon? Yeah, that must be why black women score so well on standardized math tests...

In the 1950s, NASA had an entire department of black female computers.

Yes, because it was menial number-crunching back then.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

German rocket scientists poached from the Nazi's post WW2 were 'Critical' to Americans making it to the moon. Black women? I'm not trying to diminish anyone's individual contribution, everyone should get the credit to which they due, but... 'critical'?

This is diversity-as-religion. It's not true and on some level you must know it isn't true.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 14 '17

No, their role has been overemphasized by progressive historians to try and retroactively inject diversity into the space race (something which was for the most part overwhelming white and male).

If no-one of African decent had ever worked on the Apollo program Americans still would have gotten to the Moon, probably in roughly the same time-frame.

Contra to what you're saying I really do not want to diminish anyone's contribution. I'm sure they were remarkable ladies. But "They got us to the moon" is not factually correct, and tbh.. a bit cringe-worthy. There's something slightly patronizing about white liberals gushing over the (real or imagined) accomplishments of black people.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

You’re acting on feeling. I’m acting on recorded history and fact.

No you... really aren't. "Don't you know how terrible it was to be Black in 1960! How all the incredible accomplishments of Black people were suppressed by racist whites!" - this is pure emotion, 'Diversity as a religion' as I said.

America is a country where MLK might as well be Jesus Christ. We are not a country where the accomplishments of Black people go unacknowledged. Actually marginally pathetic how far we stretch to credit Black people, e.g. when I was at school I learned "a black man invented the personal computer" - Dr. Mark Dean. Later on I learned that that wasn't actually true, that he was only one person of a team of over 16 people (of which every other member was a white man). He got singled out for special attention basically because of the color of his skin.

As I've said multiple times, everyone should get the credit they are due for their own accomplishments. But "Black women got us to the moon" is not a true statement. "Some Black women helped us get to the moon, but we would have likely got their anyway" is the far more accurate interpretation of the Apollo program.

As a guess - how many Black women do you think were involved in putting Yuri Gagarin into space?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

No, their role has been overemphasized by progressive historians to try and retroactively inject diversity into the space race (something which was for the most part overwhelming white and male).

lol you're so offended by facts that you're going to insist that you know more about history than historians? classic.

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u/tree_hugging_hippie Dec 13 '17

Try reading a book.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

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u/GalileoRules Dec 13 '17

Can’t wait for that movie they’re going to make about your remarkable accomplishments.

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u/tree_hugging_hippie Dec 13 '17

Never seen the movie actually, but I do occasionally read.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Good for you? Though what you read is as important as how often you read.

Without any hyperbole at all, Nazi's had more to do with Americans getting to the moon than Black women did.

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u/The_DJSeahorse Dec 14 '17

Lolololol you are out of your goddamn mind

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u/shlurmmp Dec 15 '17

Pretty sure the moon landing was a group effort from people of different backgrounds, so no, black people alone didn't get us to the moon

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u/cuddle-tits Dec 15 '17

Ha. Yeah. I didn’t say they did it alone... obviously. I’m amazed at how many stupid responses this statement elicited.