Literally has all the pieces minus one element - maybe the singer pulls the wrong lyrics up on his phone and it mentions pedophilia or something like that. At some point in the skit the guy would try to hand of the mic to the woman but get boo'ed intensely until he took it back.
lmao, why did the chick even go up? I sang in church my entire adolescent life and it just really isn't that hard to put a mic between two people. What a dick.
Just want to say thanks to the Roy Moore campaign for providing video evidence of what happens to kids after years of brainwashing and molestation in a cult.
That's not necessarily true. My community church has helped feed hungry families for as long as it's been standing, and has never made the news for enforcing any ass backwards beliefs. It preaches love and acceptance, and the people from therr that I've met are the kind of people to give you the shirt off their back.
Religion, like so many other things in our society, is a tool beholden to the people that use it. The ones that use it for shithead purposes are just the ones that make the news.
A lot of churches are like that actually but won't make headline news for the scandalous act of feeding people or caring for others. My mother before she passed away from an illness was hugely helped by one of her local churches. They cooked for her, did house repairs free, even cleaned her house, provided companionship, you know a community for her. The churches we see sensationalized for their hate and Republican boot licking aren't most churches. It can depend on where you live. Evangelicals while personally worshipping the Republican party, many churches (some still do of course but not most) don't even broach the subject.
Yeah but most of them aren't like that, otherwise their political power wouldn't be nearly as big as it is now. The reality is is religiosity is highly correlated to backwards ass beliefs. This is heavily documented in polling throughout the years.
Don't think their political power is as big as we believe. As of now they do have influence but its not becuase they have huge numbers or are the majority. They have power because they participate heavily in voting. They only have power because liberals, Dems, the middle often don't turn out the vote. Especially during midterms. Their power lies in the fact they show up to vote. They ALWAYS vote. They would have little power if the middle and the left actually participated like they do. As far as their beleifs, they are outspoken because currently we have given them the power to verbally influence media & outlets.
Lol the only good southern churches I have ever seen have been the unitarians they are pretty community focused and give a lot away to help those in need
disagreed, as someone who has been around churches for their entire life (mom was a church singer for hire) most churches of both various catholic and christian traditions are filled with the most reactionary people, especially among the higher levels
I'm starting to think people are attracted to churches like they are attracted to people. You can date 10 people and looking back they're all basically the same.
My only experience with church has been churches that are very community and outreach driven. One of our pastors even had an affair and completely tore the church apart, yet they were extremely outreach driven before all of that.
No church is perfect, they're still run by people, but a ton help out more than the world gives them credit for. Also, a ton suck and make the headlines. It's just like everything else in life, you've got to find the ones that are doing it right and hope they are the ones that make it.
lol i know pretty much every major church in my area, which is a predominantly christian/catholic area, and they were all incredibly reactionary and whatever outreach they did was not very substantial.
not denying that churches cant be a force for good charity, but if you are looking for a large church that isnt reactionary youre gonna have trouble. organized religion is toxic. smaller, community churches are generally alright.
Eh maybe in some places I'm from Texas and the closest thing most of the ones i went to when I was a Christian only gave back via food pantry and even those were limited access.
It's entirely possible to feed the hungry without also feeding a movement that aims to ban abortion, persecute gay people, and end the separation of church and state.
Roy Moore believes he speaks for most Americans, because most Americans identify as Christian. Every person who identifies as one gives him power, regardless of their spin on the Bible.
Very true, the church in my small town is exactly the same, prides itself on community events, working hard and bettering oneself. Preaches about love and acceptance, and doesn't put down people that have different beliefs.
That bad ones are the ones you hear about in the news.
Lol, why do you need religion to be a good person? If sky daddy didnt tell you to be a good person would your church still do all of that? Teaching people that magic is real is not a good way to help people because “magical sky dad says to be good”, because at the end of the day you’re right, religion is a tool, a deadly and devastating one that has been used for much more harm than good, especially if you believe in a different sky dad.
I would argue that people do better if they are regularly reinforced by ideas of brotherhood and fraternity and goodness regardless of where it comes from. One way to get it is through church, but there are other ways as well.
A lot of people on the other hand don't go through this regularly, and like anything else, it becomes easy to fall out of practice. When you offer yourself no time for self reflection or on what you consider your duty to the human race, it is easy to fall into cynicism and selfishness.
Atheists who are "good people" could do well to include means in their lives to reinforce those ideas.
Brotherhood and camaraderie and community spirit are all wonderful things that have nothing to do with organized religion, as a matter of fact the cults that spawn around very religious areas are completely antithetical to those values outside of the community. I’m happy that your church group is one of the better ones but i bet it still teaches children about heaven and hell, which is 100% psychological child abuse in my opinion, teaching kids to “believe unconditionally for no reason or burn forever in hell” or almost as bad “not go to heaven with grandma and grandpa and all the good ppl”. Your church group could still do all the things that you think justify its goodness without adding in the mystical element that can be used to manipulate people and estrange the mentally ill, who often believe god talks to them and gives them specific orders.
It's not just fundamentalists though. Catholics, presbyterians, lutherans etc all preach some form of bigotry and/or don't do enough to discourage it in their members. Fundamentalists are the most extreme however.
but couldn't you say the same about government entities? It's all just a container to pour hate into - hate's the problem, not the structures hate hides inside of.
On the whole, though, believing in fairy tales as an adult is not healthy, and will cause problems. Regardless if a small segment does a bit more for charity than they would do otherwise.
(1) Learn about things. Test the validity of your beliefs and conclusions. Don't always assume you're right.
(2) Discuss things that are important to you with other people.
(3) Calmly and with integrity, challenge other people's beliefs and conclusions. And be open to the possibility that your conclusions are invalid and that their conclusion may be valid. [See Step 1].
(4) Teach others what you've learned and encourage them to test and challenge their own beliefs and conclusions.
Churches have done some good things. They are almost the sole provider of homeless care. They also sponsor immigrant workers and needy families.
Church leaders suck. Much of religion is used to advance suck. But there are some redeemable qualities from those who actually focus on the Jesus parts, who sounds like a chill dude.
I’m an atheist, so don’t think I’m just defending my own here.
Organized religion, like many institutions, has problems. It's not perfect, but it's contributed good things to society. To call it a "cancer" is unnecessarily simplistic and incorrect.
While there is a lot of problems from churches it is important to understand that they often have been on the right side of history (just not in the last 30 years). Churches/organized religion were a significant source of the Underground Railroad and the push in the North to end slavery. Churches/organized religion were a major source of support for the Civil Rights movement. Without Churches/organized religion women may not have gotten the right to vote. Churches/organized religion were also responsible for virtually all education, colleges, and scientific development in Europe for hundreds of years.
It isn’t all rosy, they also have churches that backed the KKK, led the inquisition, burned books, and aided the rise of Hitler, but faith has been both a blessing and a curse for social advancement. Unfortunately we are currently in a period where it is a curse.
This is 100% fake. The reason society started picking up again after the dark ages was largely because of the golden age of Islam. The Roman Catholic Church was essential to the creation of basic universal standards for anything. This includes our calendar, our units of measurement, our system of telling time... if not for organized religion none of that stuff would occur. Even if you aren't religious, you have to acknowledge the incentive that religion tends to provide to the vast majority of people. Of course, this morality is skewed and wielded incorrectly in the name of religion, but you have to weigh net goods. The reason we have our countries today and so many of the systems in place that we do is often because some religion, from one place in the world or another, valued it.
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u/robotevil Dec 13 '17
Do you have a link for this? This sounds awesome.