r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

This drives me crazy. If all dems would just vote, we could overcome all the cheating the GOP has to do in order to win.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

It’s the power of a focused party vs the big tent. It’s frustrating. It yeah dems are like herding cats

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u/MainsleyDesign Massachusetts Dec 13 '17

When you close 860 polling places it makes it kind of hard, assuming you're not already emotionally exhausted by the year and change of political ads/mudslinging/blatant misinformation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Then let's get people out there to give rides to the other polling stations. We need to take our country back, even if it will be hard work. Let's just do it anyway. Once we do the hard work a couple of times, we can get decency and democracy back and open those polling stations.

Or should we just give up?

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u/bluedude119 Foreign Dec 13 '17

The dems are not entitled to peoples vote just because they are the least worst option. They need to seriously propose a real platform to change peoples lives not just expect them to vote cuz dems

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

I totally agree. However, there is a lot of voter apathy out there because many people just assume that their state or district will be red. I am saying it does not have to be red.

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u/arafella Minnesota Dec 13 '17

Ehh, on the one hand you're right that just being the lesser evil isn't really good enough. On the other hand that's a bit like saying I might as well smoke cyanide because cigarettes are bad too.

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u/bluedude119 Foreign Dec 13 '17

Wasn’t that their slogan for 2016? How’d that work out ?

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u/Nymaz Texas Dec 13 '17

They need to seriously propose a real platform to change peoples lives

So, something like this? Would you be willing to vote Democratic if they proposed this? Or are you going to fall for propaganda and nod sadly about how the Democratic party is asking you to vote "cuz dems"?

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u/MR-CAPSLOCK Dec 13 '17

Could not agree more. Can’t make the same mistake as last year.

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u/tookTHEwrongPILL Dec 13 '17

It’s not getting the DEMS out so much, I don’t think. I think there is a significant number of people who are like me in that: I line up better with dems than I do GOP, but I still don’t line up with them all that well.

So it’s usually like this: I really don’t like that republican candidate, but I’m not too excited about this democrat either. We need two more parties IMO. Having a libertarian and a green made me quite happy this last general election. I just want to see those 4 options for Congress candidates as well.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

I totally agree. I did not like Hillary Clinton at all, but I still held my nose and voted for her. The dems desperately need to modernize their platform.

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u/noott Dec 13 '17

/r/EndFPTP

Until the voting method changes, we have two parties. It's the nature of the beast.

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u/tookTHEwrongPILL Dec 13 '17

What needs to change about the voting method? Gary Johnson was on literally every ballot, Jill stein was on something like 44 state ballots.

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u/noott Dec 13 '17

Sure, they can be on ballots, but they're not viable. This is because people consider votes for third parties as wasted votes, so they choose their second preference more often.

CGP Grey's explanation.

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u/tookTHEwrongPILL Dec 13 '17

Hello there fellow Tim. That explanation is logical but also flawed imo. They aren’t viable because people don’t think they are? So, because of ignorance then. Statistically, Gary Johnson had the same chance of winning as trump or Clinton. You just check a box like the others. How is it not viable?

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u/DrunkHurricane Foreign Dec 13 '17

Because voting for a third party candidate often ends up helping the opposition. See Ralph Nader voters who ended up helping George Bush win in 2000.

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u/tookTHEwrongPILL Dec 14 '17

Yes, but what if everyone just voted for the candidate they like most? Country before party?

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u/DrunkHurricane Foreign Dec 14 '17

The spoiler effect still applies until America switches to a system that is not FPTP.

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u/tookTHEwrongPILL Dec 14 '17

I’d prefer ranked voting, but what makes so many people think: well if they don’t have a D or R by their name, they are worthless...?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Democratic Party needs to field appealing candidates and do more to energize voters, instead of relying only on the extreme odiousness of their opponents like (case in point: Moore or Trump) to boost turnout.

Running bland, non-charismatic, unlikable establishment candidates like Hillary Clinton (or John Kerry back in the day) is what gets people to stay home.

Much as I dislike the Republican agenda, at least they do a good job of running candidates that get people excited and motivated... not just enough to get out and vote, but also to overlook extremely serious flaws.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Totally agree. The dems are their own worst enemy.

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u/Ipora2 Dec 13 '17

The very worst brag in the world. "We choose to lose!!!1!"