r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/Anghellik Dec 13 '17

In more extreme scenarios, they've also studied which forms of ID black people use more than white people, and decided that those aren't acceptable forms of ID.

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u/yeti77 Ohio Dec 13 '17

Also, young people. College IDs are banned in a lot of states whereas AARP cards are fine.

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u/jeffmooo Dec 13 '17

Gun licenses are accepted over college IDs as well in Texas.

Source: http://progresstexas.org/blog/stricken-texas-voter-id-law-allowed-gun-licenses-not-student-id

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u/RollCakeTroll Dec 13 '17

I mean, a gun license is a government-issued ID. College IDs can be issued by private institutions to non-citizens.

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u/PraiseBeToScience Dec 13 '17

Utility bills and leases are often used to get the IDS which are privately issued as well. College IDs provide a proof of residence, in the same way utility bills do. There's no good reason to deny College IDs, but there are plenty of bad ones.

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u/curien Dec 13 '17

The purpose of the ID check isn't to establish proof of residency. (Passports and military IDs, for example, in no way establish residency.) The point is to establish citizenship, which all IDs issued by the TX DPS (DLs, state IDs, voter ID cards, and LTCs) do via a standardized mechanism, but student IDs do not.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

The purpose of the ID check is to provide visual identification - it's a photo ID that is required, not a proof of citizenship nor proof of residency. The time to check for citizenship is when the voter registers, not at the polling location when already registered voters are trying to cast their ballot. Student IDs can serve as a visual identification just as well as a driver's license.

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u/curien Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

The time to check for citizenship is when the voter registers

But that isn't currently done, and it would just mean the same complications, but at registration time instead. So you'd need to provide ID twice (when you register, proving citizenship), and then (possibly different) ID again when you vote. That's not any better and arguably worse than Texas' desired solution which requires you to provide ID only at voting time.

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u/EdwardOfGreene Illinois Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

Generally I agree on all things making it easier for ALL people to vote. However the other side might be right about college IDs. Many students are from out of state. Maybe things have changed since I went to school in the 80's but my college IDs said nothing of my home address or where I was a citizen.

I was (and am) a citizen of Illinois. I went to school in Iowa for two years then transferred closer to home, but in Missouri - still an "out of state" student.

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u/mwenechanga Dec 13 '17

College IDs can be issued by private institutions to non-citizens.

Sure, but where's the recognition for state college IDs? There isn't one, because college students tend to vote blue.

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u/RollCakeTroll Dec 13 '17

I really think you're jumping to conclusions. There's over 100 public colleges in Texas and no centralized database that the state government has on these IDs, causing a lot of toil for poll workers to ensure the ID checks out. Plus, the only authentication tends to be either a social security number or student ID number on the magnetic stripe that could easily be faked with a $100 magstripe reader.

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u/mwenechanga Dec 13 '17

It's just a weird coincidence how IDs held by mostly democrats are unusable while IDs held by mostly republicans are all fine, that's all.

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u/FenPhen Dec 13 '17

a gun license is a government-issued ID.

But does it establish citizenship? It looks like permanent residents and generally being able to be around lawfully for 90 days is enough.

You can submit your own photo for a passport (source: did it myself), so I'm not sure the photo is that strong for ID purposes.

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u/RollCakeTroll Dec 13 '17

Yes, because only US citizens are allowed to own firearms.

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u/koleye America Dec 13 '17

It's this kind of shit that makes it so obvious it's about voter suppression.

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u/JonSolo1 Dec 13 '17

Voter suppression is awful and indefensible, but isn't a gun license state issued while a college ID has no real weight and no guarantee of validity when it's from a private institution?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

It's like there was a goal to make the most cartoonishly redneck rule with that one...

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17 edited Oct 02 '18

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Can you fly with a gun license?

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u/maverickps Dec 13 '17

no, and its dumb

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u/RayseApex Dec 13 '17

No but you could provide a gun license in place of a drivers license in many cases that a college ID wouldn't be accepted..

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Interesting.

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u/TehSavior America Dec 13 '17

non citizens can get student IDs though.

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u/curien Dec 13 '17

Non-citizens can get DLs in Texas too.

The difference is that the TX DL identifies non-citizens as such, and they verify proof of citizenship through a DHS liaison before issuing the DL.

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u/snufalufalgus Dec 13 '17

I don't agree with college ID's not being accepted, but gun licenses are issued by the state so I can see why they would be.

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u/savvyxxl Dec 13 '17

young educated people are likely to vote democrat even in red states so this fits with their agenda to make it harder for them

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u/philaenopsis Dec 13 '17

I live in the Deep South and when I voted for the first time (2016 primary) I had lost my drivers license and used my university ID and it was fine. Not saying this is categorically true, just a little anecdote

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u/curien Dec 13 '17

I don't think that's true. Can you provide an example of a state where an AARP card is suitable voter ID but a college ID is not?

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u/yeti77 Ohio Dec 13 '17

Someone else pointed out that it was actually gun licenses. Just remembered it wrong. https://newrepublic.com/article/119900/texas-voter-id-allows-handgun-licenses-not-student-ids

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u/curien Dec 13 '17

In Texas those permits are managed by the same agency that manages driver's licenses and state photo IDs. That's why they're allowed. Meanwhile student IDs are not controlled by the state, and many don't even have an expiration date. (My wife's student ID issued by a Texas public university has no expiration date listed.) That's not unreasonable.

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u/IrishLion Dec 13 '17

Could college IDs be unacceptable because it doesn't prove that you're a state resident?

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u/Arthur___Dent Dec 13 '17

It makes sense to not use college IDs though, since there are plenty of non Americans in our colleges.

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u/ilovetoeatpie Dec 13 '17

No it doesn’t, because if they are non-American, then they won’t even be registered to vote.

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u/eclectique Dec 13 '17

Adding on to this, I've not seen a college ID card since 2005 that doesn't have a photo ID.

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u/curien Dec 13 '17

Registration in Texas doesn't require proof of citizenship. It doesn't even require proof of state residency.