“Everyone automatically thinks that with a Democratic candidate that you’re just going to get the African American vote, and I really believe that Doug Jones did not just take that for granted.”
This right here. This speak truth. Don't take it for granted. Reach out to the voters.
Programs like planned parenthood and chip really help the African American community. But I can't help but fell that the democratic party does take them for granted. They just bank on them coming out to vote but not make massive policy changes that will bennefit African Americans. I'm a natural born Hispanic/Latino and I feel the party is really fighting for my community with the DACA/funding bill fight. I don't see that with other ethnic communities.
If you can't be bothered to reach out to your voters and make the vote matter to them, then you can't be mad when voting doesn't matter to them in their minds.
Could not agree more. The civic responsibility is on the voter, but the onus to gain that vote is always on the candidate. Bernie was able to get his message out, and it was one that was tailored to the needs of the people hearing it. It got people excited, it was a national wave.
And then the DNC decided to abandon that tremendous amount of groundswell and momentum for a candidate who never made the same impact as Bernie.
Yeah they definitely won't vote republican but they may just not go out and vote at all. A politicians job should be to encourage voter turn out not necessarily to get voters to switch parties.
Hillary list for 2 reasons: the DNC basically handed her the nomination (which has been admitted to by Wasserman-Schultz) and once crowned as the DNC candidate, they really didn't campaign FOR her, it was always AGAINST Trump. They drove opponent voters to the polls, but didn't really give people who weren't fans of Hillary a reason to show up at the polls.
We lost 2016 because we gave Republicans an enemy to vote against, but failed to give Democrat and progressive voters a reason to vote FOR her.
Hillary Clinton lost due to a perfect storm of a dozen different factors, any one of which would have changed the results if they had went differently. You've named some of the reasons, but they are not THE reasons.
To be fair, Republicans had made Hillary their enemy for nearly 30 years. Every misstep was magnified, every questionable choice was amplified, every mistake was blown to the largest proportions.
Hillary was a flawed candidate, yes. But most of her flaws were due to an unending campaign against her that began before her husband even began his first term. It was hubris to place her front and center during the primaries because, while she had paid her dues and fought for her time, the polling logistics were insanely against her.
I don't want to make excuses, but Dems seem to want to fight for universal causes first.
Universal/Single Payer Healthcare. Protecting the environment. Investing in education. Raising the minimum wage to a living one.
DACA is a great program that I do hope is continued, but I don't think the Democratic Party said "hey, let's find a program that helps Latinx voters and back it." I think it was a matter of the program being a really good program that helps people who are as close to American citizens as you can get not live their lives like outcasts on the fringe of the law.
Democrats should want African Americans to succeed, to thrive, to feel welcome in a country they have built and forged. And there is tons of work to do on those fronts... but, by the same token, there isn't an easy fix, there isn't a smart bill or an effective program that can fix everything wrong with how black America is treated.
If we get universal healthcare, make sure people in the lowest fringes of the economy can get paid enough to not just survive but grow, create an education system that has an abundance of resources at all levels of the geographic and demographic spectrum, this will help the Black community just like it will help everyone else. And I think those programs are what Dems are focusing on (while also fighting against any more backpedaling from the GOP on all of these fronts).
But I think Dems are at a loss on how to help or support African Americans beyond that. Defending Affirmative Action at every turn and building the systems that provide a social safety net for the worst off is a monumental task that doesn't leave much room for "oh, and also undo centuries of racial bias and inequity."
I don't know the answer... but I hate that one of the most fundamental demographics in the party feels left out and neglected.
They do. That goes without saying. But there is a health disparity that is drawn along racial lines. African Americans are disproportionately affected by majority of health issues in this country. So the inportance of those programs is far greater. But yes. Everyone benefits from chip.
Planned Parenthood receives payments for services rendered to customers who have medicare/medicaid. In addition, Planned Parenthood is forbidden to provide abortion to patients who use medicare/medicaid. They are really no difference to other medical providers who accept medicare/medicaid in term of government funding.
In the fiscal year ending June 30, 2014, total revenue was US$1.3 billion: non-government health services revenue was US$305 million, government revenue (such as Medicaid reimbursements) was US$528 million, private contributions totaled US$392 million, and US$78 million came from other operating revenue.[77] According to Planned Parenthood, 59% of the group's revenue is put towards the provision of health services, while non-medical services such as sex education and public policy work make up another 15%; management expenses, fundraising, and international family planning programs account for about 16%, and 10% of the revenue in 2013–2014 was not spent.
No one likes the term African American. Theyre all born here. Theyre American
There are those that do use the term African American because it reminds them that black people didn't exist on the two wentern continents until the Atlantic Slave Trade. It ties them to deep roots of Western Africa. There are those who prefer black because they are more in touch with their immediate ancestors during the era of slavery/Jim crow/civil rights moment. Large portions of people have put it in time and effort to greatly trace their family trees. To say no-one says that or associates with that term... I'm sorry that's a gross generalization. One I can't also make.
Well I dunno what to say. Black seems I dunno, not PC enough. I just call them African Americans, really as a sign of respect. But maybe they like being called Blacks, I dunno, sometimes I use Blacks, but in public verbal discourse I call them African American.
I find it odd that society uses colors to refer to caucasian and dark-skinned people (white and black) but at the same time doesn't do the same to Hispanic (brown), Asian (yellow) or any other ethnicity.
0_o. Not really sure where are you going with that, but in 2016 black women continued to come out and vote for Democrats in the large number they are known for. If anyone switched or didn't show up it was black men. Additionally, you have the first ever black president who is young and energetic and follow it up with someone who..... is the opposite of that. There is not going to be the same level of enthusiasm to come out and vote.
I have no idea what you think I said but I was saying the DNC assumed all democrats would vote for their candidate in the 2016 election. Democrats by and large vote on principle not just for their party like republicans do. MANY people disliked Hillary and instead of voting for a candidate they did not like and disagreed with they just abstained and did not vote at all.
Where you got commentary about racial voting out of that I have no idea.
Well as it turns out, even without eugenics, people really like to choose if and when they become a parent. While eugenics is dead, planning out your parenthood is still really popular.
Not entirely sure what point you are trying to make here but, killing the baby isn't the best choice. Birth control exists but I've seen some things about increased cancer risk unsure if true tho, condoms exist, and not having sex exists. You shouldn't fuck the baby because ur pullout game is weak.
Unfortunately you live in a society where people like having sex for recreation. Your views on this topic aren't very attuned to this national past time. Maybe you should consider moving to a different society.
Having sex isn't the issue if you use protection or plan out when you wanna get it on with the women's "cycle" and boom no kids. And if you do have a kid its not ok to kill it
Yea? So Colorado had a public health program that reduced abortion rates in the state by 40%. It gave free IUDs to the demographics of women most at risk for having an unwanted pregnancy. When it needed more funding, why did the Pro-Life Republicans kill it's funding?
Because their concern is not reducing abortions. It's punishing women for having recreational sex.
Wait, so you only want to reduce abortion for women who can afford birth control then. You don't want to reduce abortion rates for women who can't afford birth control. You know poor people have sex right? And if they can't afford the baby, it gets aborted. Hmm this again feeds the idea that your concern is punishing women for having sex, low income women in this case, rather than a deep selfless care about American children.
Programs like planned parenthood and chip really help the African American community.
Killing their babies and selling the parts helps them?
Allowing them to have choice in their bodies? To not be sentenced to provide for children that they might not be able to afford? Yes. It's not to "kill babies", but you're apparently anti-abortion so this point won't click with you.
You know, giving them a home. Helping them if they can't afford over-inflated housing costs with their underpaid jobs.
Their prison population?
Reducing homelessness and extreme poverty tends to help this when the judicial system isn't purposefully weighed against them.
Their abortion rates?
Does this matter?
Their obesity rates?
Not related at all. Obesity is also heavily correlated with poverty.
Their poverty rates?
Having help for housing, food, and not being tied down to children they might not want want gives them way more opportunity to advance than without.
Their graduation rates?
This depends on systematic funding issues and poverty, not housing or abortions. Students who have good teachers, parents who aren't working 18 hours a day, and opportunity for tutors tend to graduate more, yes?
Their early death rates?
Obamacare really helped them in this statistic, yes.
How have democrats helped them?
See above. How would Republicans help them? Making them "pull up their bootstraps or die"?
Good god what vile monsters you are. The democrats are nothing more than slave owners who restrict the responsibilities the blacks have so that they are forever dependent on the democrats and welfare.
Lowering the amount of financial stress for them is equivalent to slave owning how, exactly? And who says they're forever dependent? The number of black professionals are higher than ever.
They've made an entire race into NEETS just so they can have a guaranteed voter base.
This is actually an extremely discriminating and ignorant point by you. Poverty and the general lack of funding for education causes these issues, since the opportunity for advancement is heavily lowered when they're unequally funded. Especially if black women and men are tied down by children they might not want when trying to advance themselves.
College Graduation rates for blacks are lower now than they were in the 1920's.
[citation extremely needed]
Also back to the funding and rising costs points.
When, exactly, can black families count on democratic social welfare problems to actually help them?
They do already, if you actually pay attention to any credible financial study on them.
Not a goddamned thing has changed in this country since the 1970's.
That's how Clinton fucked up.
Her whole campaign was about why you shouldn't vote for Trump and hardly about why you should vote for her.
I'd say a good campaign is in thirds.
1/3 issues. 1/3 rebuttals. And 1/3 attacks.
Clinton's can pair was over half "Trump is a piece of shit so you should for me."
One does bot necessarily imply the other.
Hell, FOX News (lol) is still campaigning against her, a year after the election. I'm going to be seriously hateful if the DNC tries to prop her up for a second run against Trump. She has too much bad political baggage. There's a reason they never came back to Arkansas.
Honestly? Them trying Hillary again would probably be the one thing that would make me vote Trump next time. Not because Trump would be a better practical choice; rather, it'd be because her going up again would be a blatant abuse of a terrible opponent to put someone else bad in power, as opposed to someone that people actually want (such as Biden, Warren, or Sanders). That would just be completely unacceptable to me.
Of course, that's all hypothetical. We probably are going to get one of those three.
It seems like attacks that land don't increase your number of voters, but rather decrease theirs. If you actually want people to vote for you, you need to tell them why.
You may be right. The past election was a ton of attacks from both sides and the turnout was horrific. Everyone was too busy convincing people NOT to vote for the other candidate that they didn't spend enough time on why you should vote for them.
I think her attacks we're miscalculated. Rather on Trump's incompetence, she focused on his character(or at least dens and media did). The issue with that was republicans already knew he was a jackass but didn't care.
I agree with your overall point, but I think that the Clinton campaign honestly thought that they'd already won the battle in presenting reasons to vote for her and needed to focus on discrediting Trump's "platform". I mean, when you're offering real policies that provide real solutions to real problems and your opponent is offering bullshit that can be easily proven to be a lie but lots of americans seem to still believe those lies, it's reasonable to assume that you need to put more effort into pointing out just how extraordinarily horrible and full of shit your opponent is. Trump just never challenged the Clinton platform in any rational way.
A good campaign shouldn't need attacks. Mudslinging works only to a point and eventually people get tired of hearing it. Just like fear is an effective tool to a certain point when fear fatigue kicks in.
Bernie gave me a reason to vote FOR him AND AGAINST Trump. Hillary only gave me a reason to vote AGAINST Trump.
I admit her policy ideas were definitely more in line with mine, but I was still far more liberal than she was. To me she was the embodiment of "Republican Lite", which to me as a voter, is a shit sandwich I have to take a bite out of, regardless if the other candidate is a shit buffet as the alternative.
Take the War on Drugs and marijuana for example. Most people these days being arrested and incarcerated over it are younger millennials and the incoming Generation Z. And we don't like being arrested and incarcerated over this. We are suffering at the hands of this, basically a crime war against our own people. I've come DAMN close, TWICE, to having my life utterly fucked up over marijuana and law enforcement, because despite the laws in place, I liked to smoke it at one time on a regular basis, not because I was trying to harm the community.
Bernie in the primaries boldly said "IF I BECOME PRESIDENT, I AM GOING TO END THE WAR ON DRUGS!". For me, that's a fucking winner right there, he can have shit views on a lot of other topics, and I'd still vote for him (Which btw, Bernie did not have shit views on most other topics, so for me he was the 1992 Olympics Dream Team for a presidential candidate).
They turned to Hillary Clinton and her "retort" was "Well, I'll look into relaxing the federal restrictions on research into medicinal marijuana."
I then yell at the tv "That's it. THAT'S FUCKING IT!!!??? WE'RE STILL GETTING ARRESTED AND INCARCERATED OVER THIS PLANT UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRAITON!!!???" Just pissed me off so bad that night when she made that statement.
Now dems have to actually combat the new racial caste system (mass incarceration) and the war on drugs/poverty. Of course that means going after the entire system too
This. You'll win the percentage, but what you need is for people to show up and wait in line to vote for you and in order to get that, you need them to be excited. It doesn't happen automatically.
These election results are exactly how blacks vote regardless of who's running. There's a reason that super liberal cities filled by mostly blacks are in shit shape. They didn't do anything they normally wouldn't do.
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This right here. This speak truth. Don't take it for granted. Reach out to the voters.