Still though. The complacency of some eligible voters is disheartening. Even today some people in the office don’t bother because they truly believe they cannot make a difference.
Yup, the fallout of the collective experience both domestically and internationally will be something else...we are definitely heading to uncharted territory in U.S. history.
I honestly think it will be fine if we turn the ship around pretty quickly. The rest of the world will breathe a collective sigh of relief, and we'll get back to business as usual.
Trumps presidency was decided by a bit more than 77000 votes across 3 states. That's 0.0002333% of the current US population. I feel like thats a good rebuttal to that argument.
When i read how many votes trump won by i was blown away. One state was only 10k votes in favor of trump. Insanity. Its easy to find the exact numbers if you need em.
If you didnt live in those states your vote meant way less. Presidential Candidates spend all their time campaigning in 5 states pandering to 15% or less of the population.
I know those numbers are generalities, but you get the picture. Trump probably spent zero days in Washington state. Hillary probably spent zero days in Texas.
Oh absolutely. But my point was that all elections can come down to similar margins. A minnisotan vote doesn't matter for shit for a Californian house seat so Californians should still vote.
I used to be like that. Now, as long as I live, I will never miss another election. Last November in Texas we had a special election. No person was on the ballot, only referendums, but I still got out there and voted.
My fiance didn't want to vote lat month here in PA cause it was rainy and like 6:30 p.m. I told her I was going with or without her. She ended up going with me. I was pretty annoyed when she was about to bail.
A lot of people need help understanding the impact that Senate, House and local elections have. I live in a purple county in a very blue state. I know a lot of people that didn't vote in 2016 because it was a foregone conclusion that Clinton would carry the state. Because of that a Republic won our House seat by 50k votes.
Because the base is older, retired, and has the free time to go out and vote in every election. It's one thing to hit up the presidential election every 4 years for someone like myself, who drives an hour+ usually to work, is at different job sites weekly, works 10-12 hour days, and can't afford missing work, to just take off early or come in late to be able to vote in every local/state/whatever election. Doesn't matter if my employer lets me take the time off to vote in all of those, I can't afford to miss work to do so.
Even today some people in the office don’t bother because they truly believe they cannot make a difference.
Well, they are not wrong. One vote is mathematically insignificant. I have no problem conceding this point. So don't vote, but TELL people you vote, tell people its important they vote, tell them why Democracy matters. The viral effect can be sparked by anyone and that one DOES significantly matter.
I wasn't meaning to disagree with you. I was just pointing out that the cumulative effect of individuals not voting can make a big difference even if the individual votes don't seem to matter.
An election that ends with 31 more votes on one side is incredibly, almost impossibly close (unless it's a very local election, in a very small place). 1 vote is still relatively insignificant in that equation, but a few tweets and arranging some cars for your friends to go back and forth from the voting booth, with maybe some Pizza after can be the thing that sways that election.
He's trapped. He has no support except for the hardcore Republican base. They support him precisely because he spouts a continuous stream horrible, hateful shit. But that stream of shit turns off a lot of people in the center, and it energizes Democrats. But if he cuts down on the stream of hateful shit, the psychos will soften in their support for him. It's a trap.
He favors Israel for two reasons, neither of which are for the love the Jewish people.
The apocalyptic Christian sects that he needs the support of need to see the establishment of the "greater Israel" with it's biblical boundaries for the "second coming" to begin. These people are trying to bring about "judgement day" as described in the book of Revelations.
Trump is great admirer of right wing tyrants and Bibi Netanyahu fits that mold pretty well.
So there was this Nazi rally where a nazi murdered a counter-protestor.
Trump wouldnt condemn the nazis. In fact he said, "there's good people on both sides".
He endorsed a known pedophile who said America was last great during slavery.
He's cooperating with Russia to control the United States. Meanwhile he's trying to stack the courts to get away with crimes in a very authoritarian manner.
You mean Charlottesville? I believe he said there was violence on both sides, not good people. He also did condemn the alt-right. I agree he didn't handle the situation well (he handled it very poorly in fact), and he may have bowed to puplic and internal pressure, but once again why say things that aren't true?
Here's a quote from Trump. It did take him two days to Mae this statement, and if I'm not mistaken it was after condemning the "hate on all sides".
“And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the K.K.K., neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
Is he a destructive fool? Yeah, I think so. Is he a neo-nazi? If he is then he's the most wishy washy nazi I've even seen, and quite frankly a pretty bad one at that.
He did not condemn the "alt-right", which by the way is a cover phrase for a large number of radical right wing groups including neo-nazis and white supremacists, until more than a week after the riots, including the murder of a protester by a self professed neo-nazi.
Even then, he only condemned "violence on both sides".
You're right it did take him entirely too long to make that statement, but once again he did condemn neo nazis and white supremacy. You can definitely say it was too little too late, but it's simply false to say he didn't condemn those groups.
Once again,
“And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the K.K.K., neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
I'm just being accurate. Trump was raised by a KKK supporter and he has steadfastly refused to condemn violent actions by neo-nazi and white supremacist groups. In fact, members of these groups openly support him and he does not reject their support.
That's not even close to something as false as the birther farce.
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u/TwoCells New Hampshire Dec 13 '17
So long as the neo-nazi-twit-in-chief keeps going as he is we will have daily reminders for why we should get out and vote.