r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/kalitarios Vermont Dec 13 '17

Still though. The complacency of some eligible voters is disheartening. Even today some people in the office don’t bother because they truly believe they cannot make a difference.

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u/ionslyonzion I voted Dec 13 '17

And just to state the obvious: the Trump era has only begun. This doesn't go away when Trump goes away.

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u/weirdhobo Dec 13 '17

Yup, the fallout of the collective experience both domestically and internationally will be something else...we are definitely heading to uncharted territory in U.S. history.

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u/NoNeedForAName Dec 13 '17

I honestly think it will be fine if we turn the ship around pretty quickly. The rest of the world will breathe a collective sigh of relief, and we'll get back to business as usual.

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u/weirdhobo Dec 13 '17

That is indeed the best case scenario; if democracy can survive this ordeal it'll hopefully come out stronger on the other side

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u/the_last_carfighter Dec 13 '17

No empire lasts forever, it just seemed that America was so strong it would continue on for awhile, I guess Murica took care of that notion.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

"No empire lasts forever, but empires always have long half lives."

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

It was a paraphrasing of something in the Red Mars trilogy. Can't recall which character, but I think it was Frank.

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u/ionslyonzion I voted Dec 14 '17

Michael Scott

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u/Clame Dec 13 '17

Trumps presidency was decided by a bit more than 77000 votes across 3 states. That's 0.0002333% of the current US population. I feel like thats a good rebuttal to that argument.

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u/kalitarios Vermont Dec 13 '17

Agreed. Thanks for this data

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u/Clame Dec 13 '17

When i read how many votes trump won by i was blown away. One state was only 10k votes in favor of trump. Insanity. Its easy to find the exact numbers if you need em.

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u/bodymessage Dec 13 '17

Places hillary didnt even campaign in

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u/Clame Dec 13 '17

Her validity as a candidate and her decisions on the campaign trail are irrelevant. The point is it can come to such close margins.

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u/FuckingQWOPguy Dec 13 '17

If you didnt live in those states your vote meant way less. Presidential Candidates spend all their time campaigning in 5 states pandering to 15% or less of the population.

I know those numbers are generalities, but you get the picture. Trump probably spent zero days in Washington state. Hillary probably spent zero days in Texas.

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u/Clame Dec 13 '17

Oh absolutely. But my point was that all elections can come down to similar margins. A minnisotan vote doesn't matter for shit for a Californian house seat so Californians should still vote.

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u/LikeGoldAndFaceted Dec 13 '17

I don't really believe I am most of the time living in a very red state, but I still vote. Giving up isn't going to change anything.

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u/HoTranBrasky Dec 13 '17

I used to be like that. Now, as long as I live, I will never miss another election. Last November in Texas we had a special election. No person was on the ballot, only referendums, but I still got out there and voted.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

My fiance didn't want to vote lat month here in PA cause it was rainy and like 6:30 p.m. I told her I was going with or without her. She ended up going with me. I was pretty annoyed when she was about to bail.

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u/jspegele Dec 13 '17

A lot of people need help understanding the impact that Senate, House and local elections have. I live in a purple county in a very blue state. I know a lot of people that didn't vote in 2016 because it was a foregone conclusion that Clinton would carry the state. Because of that a Republic won our House seat by 50k votes.

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u/TwoCells New Hampshire Dec 13 '17

Sadly, I must confess that I admire the dedication of the Republican base. They always come out and vote.

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u/Dislol Dec 13 '17

Because the base is older, retired, and has the free time to go out and vote in every election. It's one thing to hit up the presidential election every 4 years for someone like myself, who drives an hour+ usually to work, is at different job sites weekly, works 10-12 hour days, and can't afford missing work, to just take off early or come in late to be able to vote in every local/state/whatever election. Doesn't matter if my employer lets me take the time off to vote in all of those, I can't afford to miss work to do so.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

What in the hell are you going on about, we just put a Democrat in the Senate from Alabama because people who don't usually vote came out in droves.

If that's not a sign of change then I don't know what is

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u/Exodus111 Dec 13 '17

Even today some people in the office don’t bother because they truly believe they cannot make a difference.

Well, they are not wrong. One vote is mathematically insignificant. I have no problem conceding this point. So don't vote, but TELL people you vote, tell people its important they vote, tell them why Democracy matters. The viral effect can be sparked by anyone and that one DOES significantly matter.

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u/NoNeedForAName Dec 13 '17

One vote is insignificant, but a million people not voting because their one vote is insignificant is very significant.

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u/Exodus111 Dec 13 '17

Yes, but that still concedes that one vote is insignificant.

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u/NoNeedForAName Dec 13 '17

I wasn't meaning to disagree with you. I was just pointing out that the cumulative effect of individuals not voting can make a big difference even if the individual votes don't seem to matter.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

But is it though? A ton of these local elections are decided by like, tens of votes. And taking back local elections is a super important first step.

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u/TwoCells New Hampshire Dec 13 '17

State level elections decide redistricting (i.e. gerrymandering) that makes state level elections much more important than lots of people think.

The state level candidates typically start at the local level, so it all always matters.

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u/Exodus111 Dec 13 '17

An election that ends with 31 more votes on one side is incredibly, almost impossibly close (unless it's a very local election, in a very small place). 1 vote is still relatively insignificant in that equation, but a few tweets and arranging some cars for your friends to go back and forth from the voting booth, with maybe some Pizza after can be the thing that sways that election.